U.S. Commander Says Shift To Asia Pacific Steady, Deliberate

Originally posted by Germanicus
Do you like this American WW2 propaganda? Its up your alley. Hiroshima

Hiroshima and Nagasaki..

The US and Japan are close allies now and have settled those issues and have both done their best to heal old wounds.

It's very obvious that you have more issues and obsession with that than they do.

Here are a couple I had uploaded...

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Guess someone is forgeting the 78 million Chinese civilians killed under Mao.

Which was worse?

Originally posted by Drunkenparrot
Here are a couple I had uploaded...

I like the American ones the best.

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Actually, there have been problems. They just haven't been MAJOR problems. There have been a lot of tensions between the Philippines, China, and Vietnam mostly over the Spratly Islands. China, Taiwan, Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam have all laid claim to at least part of the Islands. Tensions in the last few years have been rising.

Some international scholars argued that, Pham Van Dong who represented North Vietnam at that time has no legal right to comment on a territorial part which belonged to the South Vietnam represented by Ngo Dinh Diem. Therefore, the letter has no legal value and is considered as a diplomatic document to show the support of the government of North Vietnam to the PRC at that time.[verification needed] In 2004, Vietnam issued a white paper saying, in part,


Vietnam has sufficient historical evidence and legal basis to assert its indisputable sovereignty over the territorial waters and islands of Vietnam in the East Sea, among them the Paracels and Spratlys. Nevertheless, for the common security interests of the parties concerned, Vietnam is ready to enter into peaceful negotiations to settle the problem, first and foremost by reaching an agreement on the "Code of Conduct" pending the final solution.[28]

On May 23, 2011, Philippine President Benigno Aquino III warned the Chinese defense minister of a possible arms race in the region if tensions worsened over disputes in the South China Sea. Aquino said he told visiting Chinese Defense Minister Liang Guanglie in their meeting that such an arms race could result if there were more encounters in the disputed and potentially oil-rich Spratly islands.[29]

In May 2011, Chinese patrol boats attacked 2 Vietnamese oil exploration ships near Spratly islands. The incidence sparked several anti-China protests in Vietnam. [30]

In May 2011, Chinese naval vessels opened fire on Vietnamese fishing vessels operating off East London Reef (Da Dong Island). Three military vessels were numbered 989, 27 and 28. They showed up with a small group of Chinese fishing vessels. Another Vietnamese fishing vessel was fired on near Cross (Chu Thap) Island. The Chief Commander of Border Guards in Phu Yen Province, Vietnam reports that a total of four Vietnamese vessels were fired upon by Chinese naval vessels.[verification needed] This attack by Chinese forces sparked mass protests in Vietnam, especially in the capital Hanoi and Saigon[31], and in various Vietnamese communities in the West (namely in Westminster, California in the U.S. and Paris, France over attacks on Vietnamese citizens and intrusion into what Vietnam claims as part of their territory. [32]

In June 2011, the Philippines renamed the South China Sea and the Reed Bank as the West Philippine Sea and the Recto Bank.

en.wikipedia.org...

The Spratly Islands of the South China Sea are a potential tinder box in the region. Approximately 44 of the 51 small islands and reefs are claimed or occupied by China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei. The conflict is the result of overlapping sovereignty claims to various Spratly Islands thought to possess substantial natural resources -- chiefly oil, natural gas, and seafood. Disputes have been propelled by an aggressive China, eager to meet growing energy demands that outstrip its supply capability. Overlapping claims resulted in several military incidents since 1974 and in several countries awarding foreign companies exploration rights in the same area of the South China Sea. Regional nation-states not directly involved in the Spratly disputes became concerned about regional stability and established a regional forum to discuss the peaceful resolution of the disputes. Sovereignty and exploration disputes were thought to be resolved with the drafting of ASEAN's 1992 declaration which committed members to resolve disputes peacefully and to consider joint exploration of the territory. Military aggression and exploration endeavors conducted by China since 1992, however, have brought into question the validity of the 1992 joint declaration and raises the question of what long-term, peaceful solution could prevent the region from erupting into a continuum of military incidents over sovereignty rights to the natural resource-rich Spratly Islands.

www1.american.edu...

The second link only goes to 1997.

North Koreans are pretty full on.

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Western Corporation have already conquered China
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More on the Spratly Dispute:

From 2011:

China sent its largest patrol ship Thursday on what it claimed was a routine trip through the area, but the deployment comes after a spate of other moves, including Vietnam’s staging of a live-fire exercise in the area and China’s denouncement of it.

Neither country is likely to back down easily, and if they did, neither population would see it in a favorable light. Because of this, some worry tensions could escalate to the point of exchange of fire.

“At the moment, Vietnam is trying to show that it is not going to take [challenges to its claim in the sea] lying down,” says Minxin Pei, a China expert at the Claremount McKenna College. “Rationally, China should cool it a bit. Having a fight with Hanoi is not a good idea. But if Vietnam sends back survey ships China may have no choice but to respond.”

www.csmonitor.com...

www.bbc.co.uk...

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of course our navy would do something like that. Americas navy has never lost a war, they are the biggest navy in the world. So yes, other countries do have us come over and do training with them. Keeping us out of the waters for training is like asking a Hippy to help you in hand to hand combat.....its stupid

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Western Corporation have already conquered China

Yuck it up. They have sold out America. I dont see why you cheer for them. To defend your military is to defend the corporatists.

And the South China Sea is part of China. Go around.

Originally posted by Germanicus
Yuck it up.

Dude seriously

The US/West have effectively exported our Manufacturing and Industrial waste, Air and Water pollution to China in exchange for cheap trinkets and unemployment.

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I dont see why you cheer for them.

I'm not cheering them up. I'm exposing you to the fact that your beloved China is no better off than Western Nations when it comes to Corporatism only this time the Chinese Government is in bed with them more so than in the West because in China their Government owns 51%.

Or didn't you know that?

To defend your military is to defend the corporatists.

To advocate China moving into Australia is Treason

And the South China Sea is part of China. Go around.

There are plenty of countries who are Allies with the US who disagree.

Deal with that!

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It is interesting to watch a super power emerging. I would prefer to live in a world with two opposing superpowers. Keeping each other in check. In the next decade or so China will surpass the US in economics and technology.

I dont think there is much to worry about from China they have kept pretty much to themselves in relation to there long existence..

s/f

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The US and Japan are close allies now and have settled those issues and have both done their best to heal old wounds.

Hey Slayer
Both Germany and Japan are now owned by the bankers. That is why they are both powerhubs and have been so successful since ww2

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I'm not cheering them up. I'm exposing you to tthe fact that your beloved China is no better off than Western Nations when it comes to Corporatism only this time the Chinese Government is in bed with them more so than in the West because in China their Government owns 51%. Or didn't you know that?

Of course I know that. State Capitalism works. They are much better off. They are on the way up. Of course you can bring up pictures of factories and pollution. I could bring up pictures of Detroit. Which would you rather? The whole of America will be Detroit soon. China will continue to advance.

State Capitalism protects its people from corporatists. American corporate capitalism allows the corporatists to sell a country out from under its people. Americas National Debt and high unemployment show that Chinas State Capitalism is the only way to go.

Or didnt you know that?
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I would prefer to live in a world with two opposing superpowers.

Like Spain and Portugal? They took half the world each once. As partners. I am hoping that China will defer in a sense to the BRICS and we get something that is more inclusive than the UN. Something where no nation gets the reserve currency.

Originally posted by Germanicus
Of course I know that. State Capitalism works...

All that proves is that the Chinese Government doesn't give a damn about their people. Their population are more sheep than in the Western world. If a Few million die in a few years from being exposed to toxic waste from industry they still have a few hundred million more waiting in the wings because their Government is watching their bottom line.

PROFIT.

They are no better off.

FYI it's called Mercantilism not State Capitalism

I fear Germanicus and those who share a similar goal are running very fast into a brick wall

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Was she bat s##t crazy?Mine was.

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