Why I (a black woman) left the Democratic Party

Originally posted by ButterCookie
Malcolm X speaking out on the Democrat Party, calling them 'Dixiecrats' in disguise.

Guess where those "Dixiecrats" are now?

You guessed it. The GOP.

There isn't too much difference between what the main parties actually do anymore.

Originally posted by CB328

The point the OP made is completely valid - that black people have been sold a bad bill of goods

It's not valid as welfare was not created to keep black people down, and what does the GOP offer to anyone who isn't a millionaire already?? They're certainly not going to go recruiting in Detroit if we get rid of social programs.

ON second though, let her vote for the GOP so maybe we can witness what will happen to the black community when all government programs are removed.

What do you want them to "offer" YOU? They aren't much better than the dems but except for Bush Jr. they generally try to stay out of your pocket. They oppose regulations which stifle small businesses and keeps them from expanding. Expanding means more jobs - a thriving economy means people work - everyone moves up the ladder by sheer need of feeding into a booming economy.

I never, ever said welfare was created to keep BLACK people down.

I said entitlements are designed to keep people right where they are. My point was indoctrination and subversive policies - had nothing to do with removing "all government programs". Your reply sort of boosts my point - indoctrination - dems=good "for the people" GOP=bad - wants to take everything away.

Is this really workin out for ya?

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by flashtrum
Look at this week's news. Obama starts slipping in polls involving the Latino vote and what does he do? Declares a great deal of them off-limits to deportation. That's obviously a decision based TOTALLY on his re-election.

Wow!

A Politician makes a policy designed to increase his approval rating.. this is.. exactly how people get re-elected. I mean, what do you suggest? Doing things to decrease his approval rating?

I mean, I'm not voting for Obama.. but.. come on.. this is silly.

Thanks for asking! What I propose is no one gets re-elected. You can serve one term in either house, and absolutely one six-year term as President. This idea of politicians who come into office in the middle class and leave multi-millionaires because they are in the pockets of big money and are privvy to stock tips that you and I would get thrown in jail for knowing about - that's "silly".

You serve your term at the request of your electorate and you go back to your chosen field of work. Is that "silly"?

Originally posted by SarK0Y
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Amica, both parti€$ are pure B$

+ politicians are $©*m in the any country

russians know it too long...

Is that why their country is basically run by the Russian mob?

Line two.

Originally posted by flashtrum

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by flashtrum
Look at this week's news. Obama starts slipping in polls involving the Latino vote and what does he do? Declares a great deal of them off-limits to deportation. That's obviously a decision based TOTALLY on his re-election.

Wow!

A Politician makes a policy designed to increase his approval rating.. this is.. exactly how people get re-elected. I mean, what do you suggest? Doing things to decrease his approval rating?

I mean, I'm not voting for Obama.. but.. come on.. this is silly.

Thanks for asking! What I propose is no one gets re-elected. You can serve one term in either house, and absolutely one six-year term as President. This idea of politicians who come into office in the middle class and leave multi-millionaires because they are in the pockets of big money and are privvy to stock tips that you and I would get thrown in jail for knowing about - that's "silly".

You serve your term at the request of your electorate and you go back to your chosen field of work. Is that "silly"?

edit on 20-6-2012 by flashtrum because: added comment

How is one term going to change that?

Originally posted by CB328
I'm sorry, but this sounds like complete and utter BS propaganda, probably from that military propaganda unit that's supposedly posting in these forums.

This reminds me of that post I see every 6 months about how Jewish people only vote for Democrats because they feel guilty about having more money than black people.

I think this woman is a ficticious character to compete with Obama's Julia, don't be duped people. A vote for the Republicans is a vote to end freedom and instill aristocracy.

edit on 16-6-2012 by CB328 because: (no reason given)

Yes, because a black woman who left the Democrat party because she isn't a fan of handouts can't POSSIBLY be real.

Wow. That's pretty insulting, CB328.

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by ButterCookie
Malcolm X speaking out on the Democrat Party, calling them 'Dixiecrats' in disguise.

Guess where those "Dixiecrats" are now?

You guessed it. The GOP.

edit on 19-6-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)

Probably so. What of it?

The Dixiecrats that moved to the Republican party did so of pure racism; not to be with the same party as blacks.

The party platforms have never changed.

Your statement is pointless.

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by ButterCookie
Malcolm X speaking out on the Democrat Party, calling them 'Dixiecrats' in disguise.

Guess where those "Dixiecrats" are now?

You guessed it. The GOP.

edit on 19-6-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)

Probably so. What of it?

The Dixiecrats that moved to the Republican party did so of pure racism; not to be with the same party as blacks.

The party platforms have never changed.

Your statement is pointless.

edit on 20-6-2012 by ButterCookie because: (no reason given)

Again, your understanding of American politics is lacking.

So.. a bunch of racists infiltrated the Republican party.. and you seriously think it didn't change the party platform? Come on...

Wow. An individual left a political party and it's news?

There are some who could state why they joined the Democrats. So whats the point...???

People see things differently!

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but this is a big deal. one of those pro democratic supporters lost a vote when that person tried to empower herself to something besides what the gov hands out.

it's a coming out party . discussable yes.

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There's allot going on in your introductory post and I haven't had time to review all of the responses, so I am not privy to the general spirit that exists, but your query caused me to mention a few observations.

First, you spoke of what you feel the parties are representing now through a couple of scenarios you experienced first hand. You also compared the two parties through a historical construct. I'm just not sure how the past and present are being applied, since there has been a good amount of political reform and fundamental shifts in the paradigm of American social conscience, and in politics as well.

For example, you mentioned that the Democrats supported the institution of slavery (1860s). Yet, in the 1950s civil rights movement the (white Democrats) aggressively lead the way for desegregation, marched with Martin Luther King and went into poor southern black American communities to encourage voting. Pres. John F. Kennedy appointed forty black Americans to federal posts, including five black federal judges, Pres. Lindon B. Johnson signed off on the 1946 Civil Rights Act.

On the Republican side, I would personally tend to recognize this group as an organization that has profited nicely by shifting the funding of needed social programs to proliferate a two front war in the Middle East (which has created five million orphans) and the formation and expansion of America's police state through the Patriot Act, which endangers freedoms for all Americans.

I think that as people, we recognize these patterns according to personal values and what we hold as reality and of course through the filters of our frame of reference.

You mentioned how the Republicans supported free enterprise and working, as opposed to how Democrats supported laziness through a bloated welfare dole. Thirty years ago I saw the Rep. party support of "capitalism" as a political means to shift the center of wealth from the laborer to the wealthy (elitists) through their push of the NAFTA trade treaty. NAFTA allowed US manufacturers to retain a much greater share of the profits by cutting out American workers and weakening the unions. In addition, Republicans were the force in every amnesty for millions of Latin Americans working in the US illegally, which was another step in destroying the local labor wage in the housing market and construction.

BTW, I was a Republican all my life, as my father and grandfather before me. I voted for Obama because my party became dominated by greedy, fascist extremists who were threatening my economic future and constitutional liberties.

I could go on and on indefinitely, writing a one hundred page dissertation on how destructive this party really has become. I think the bottom line for everyone is that they vote according to personal values. The real matters that confront us as Americans are the things which have the most historical context. Recent history, not the civil war period, but more along the time line of post WWII.

Your post is really great because it gives everyone a chance to consider his position and revise the data and its contexts.

Star and flag for you. Thank god some people are finally starting to see the truth. Sadly it isn't more though.

Guess where those "Dixiecrats" are now?

You guessed it. The GOP.


Probably so. What of it?

The Dixiecrats that moved to the Republican party did so of pure racism; not to be with the same party as blacks.

The party platforms have never changed.

Your statement is pointless.


I'm sorry, forgive me if I am wrong but from what I have read you seemed to care about those " dixiecrats being actual democrats before. Now all of a sudden they have switched to the gop ( your party of choice which you switched too after doing research about the history of each party ) it doesn't seem to matter anymore? Alright makes perfect sense to me.

Now me personally myself I am a democrat. Why am I democrat? Mostly for their stance on social issues which you seem content to absolutely ignore because you know two welfare queens. Alright, no problem. Can I ask you what exactly the republican party has done for this country lately? From what I have seen they have created two huge wars, given passes and tax breaks to people who aren't really paying their fair share of taxes in the first place, attempted to stomp on the rights of other Americans even though there is nothing in the constitution which states they can not have said rights ( gay marriage anyone?) Given huge bys to the " job creators" which have done absolutely nothing to create actual jobs, and are now trying to decide what I can/ can not do with my own vagina!

You might like to say, oh no absolutely not they would never ever tell a woman what to do, they just want to end federal spending on what women do. Incorrect. If you would actually take a look at some of the laws trying to be pushed by your party, you would see that yes, they are in fact attempting to make abortion illegal. They absolutely are trying to keep gay marriage illegal, They absolutely are trying to keep letting big business make a cluster____ out of this economy.

What have they done to help with getting higher education more accessible for low income people? You complain about democrats freely giving out welfare applications to people to keep them " on the plantation". Could you please cite some sources where republicans are attempting to help people get off the " plantation"? Oh wait, you can't can you? That's because they aren't attempting to help at all. I don't seem them coming into the inner cities doing anything at all. Perhaps if they attempted to reach out and be more helpful rather than whining about 1 or two welfare queens milking on the system ( after all that money could be going to big oil or big pharma!) Why doesn't the republican party pitch in and offer scholarships to college? A grant program for small businesses?

Also I have something to say about your welfare queen story. Sorry I don't buy that a luxury house was given to someone on section 8. I also don't buy that your " girlfriend" had a car along with a fully stocked fridge. My cousin is a single mother raising a son on her own. She barely makes it with the 200 dollars in food stamps she gets plus rent for the apartment that they have. A small one bedroom rat trap that looks more like a studio than anything. In fact the rest of my family often brings over food to help them out because if not they would in fact go HUNGRY. Has she been looking for a job? ABSOLUTELY. Where are the job creators now? Hmmm? Please spare me about how awesome and great the republican party is.

I can say with all honesty that neither party is doing enough to help struggling Americans. But hey, guess what? Those social programs? You know the ones that you are so against? The republican party wouldn't just limit them. They would be CUT completely. Don't believe me? By all means continue to vote Republican.

Originally posted by Songstress

Guess where those "Dixiecrats" are now?

You guessed it. The GOP.

edit on 19-6-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)

I've always heard that many white southerners will call themselves democrats, but vote for republican policies.

Originally posted by luccadeo
Star and flag for you. Thank god some people are finally starting to see the truth. Sadly it isn't more though.

That's the mark of a real American, not some pseudo patriotic fervor for mercenary imperialism. I tried to add you as friend, don't know it worked since I haven't made 250 posts.

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Ok no...

First of all, your entire thread is RIFE with BS.

YOU CANNOT BUY AN UPPER-MIDDLE CLASS LIFESTYLE WITH WELFARE/FOOD STAMPS. Anybody who actually tells you this is lying or completely full of it. So yes, OP, I am either calling you a liar or full of complete falsehoods.

Secondly, the MODERN DEMOCRATIC PARTY is NOT the same as the SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS of the Civil War Era!!!
The SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS of the Civil War Era were CONSERVATIVE RACISTS. That's right- they were RIGHT-WING by today's standards and supported Jim Crow laws.

Abraham Lincoln may have been CALLED a Republican, but Republicans/Democrats were DIFFERENT back then than they are now. Abraham Lincoln was actually more SOCIALIST leaning than any Capitalistic/Religious nut/War-mongering BS the Republicans are all about now.

Originally posted by NoHierarchy
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

Ok no...

First of all, your entire thread is RIFE with BS.

YOU CANNOT BUY AN UPPER-MIDDLE CLASS LIFESTYLE WITH WELFARE/FOOD STAMPS. Anybody who actually tells you this is lying or completely full of it. So yes, OP, I am either calling you a liar or full of complete falsehoods.

Secondly, the MODERN DEMOCRATIC PARTY is NOT the same as the SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS of the Civil War Era!!!
The SOUTHERN DEMOCRATS of the Civil War Era were CONSERVATIVE RACISTS. That's right- they were RIGHT-WING by today's standards and supported Jim Crow laws.

Abraham Lincoln may have been CALLED a Republican, but Republicans/Democrats were DIFFERENT back then than they are now. Abraham Lincoln was actually more SOCIALIST leaning than any Capitalistic/Religious nut/War-mongering BS the Republicans are all about now.

No. You just made yourself look very, very ignorant as regards to historical knowledge as well as socioecoomic information.

It is a historic fact that Abraham Lincoln was a REPUBLICAN, which was a newly formed party as a result of an anti-slavery sentiment. This president did in fact ABOLISH slavery, and in fact did create the 13th,14th, and 15th amendments.

Regardless if Lincoln was in LOVE with blacks, the fact is that he and his party moved to end slavery. Can you say the same for the Democratic Party? No.

It is fact that Democratic ideology mirrors socialism, in that they desire to have everyone living on the same level regardless of productivity or input to society.

As a matter of fact, I'm done explaining the incorrectness of your post, as most on here are smart enough to see right through it, and that you are upset that you are loyal to a racist, socialist party.

It is FACT that most section 8 vouchers pay for up to $160,000.000 worth of housing. These tenets usually are receiving food stamps, the welfare check, free childcare, etc. So how is it that you want to pretend that his cannot happen??

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I'm curious as to why you haven't responded to my post ButterCookie.

Originally posted by g2v12
reply to post by ButterCookie

 

I'm curious as to why you haven't responded to my post ButterCookie.

To what in particular?

If its about the statement that many southern white racists vote republican, what is our point? Part of the reason this happened as a result of Johnson's Southern Strategy; as this population saw the migration of the black vote toward the Democratic party, they no longer wanted to be affiliated with that party, and thus switched their preference.

Also, it could be that this population simply aligns their political ideologies with the Republican Party/ Personal Responsibility, less government.

What is your point?