License to have children

Originally posted by CosmicEgg

Nature rules. Long live Nature.

Yet nature is so cruel, something we believer we had evolved from..

Would you deem it correct to bring a child into a system that provides no care for it, would you live as nature intended?

Somehow I think not, the safety net of social care is far too enticing to go without...

Here's an idea....

How about all you people who want to control how other people live and breed go take a
flying leap off a tall building...

....you can control when you jump, how far you jump, the trajectory of your jump...and who knows...
with the "right" type of arm-flapping you might even be able to control the landing...maybe you'll get
lucky and "stick it"...as they say in gymnastics...

....is that enough control for you power hungry schmucks?

reply to post by Idonthaveabeard


disagree, while that may hold true for the 3rd world this does not hold true for industrialized nations like canada or the united states for example. So do it in the 3rd world but leave populations alone that are stable. This is not a one solution fits all type of problem.

Originally posted by rival
Here's an idea....

How about all you people who want to control how other people live and breed go take a
flying leap off a tall building...

....you can control when you jump, how far you jump......with the "right" type of arm-flapping
you might even be able to control how you land....is that enough control for you power hungry schmucks?

Its ok there will be a soft landing because of all you lot underneath us that can't be bothered to put a hat on it.

Sometimes control or DISCIPLINE is a good thing, show me how many of these young people are even capable of bringing kids up or even gave a single thought about the commitment needed.

You show me them and I'll show you a flapping armed person..

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
You guys can go ahead and live that Outer Party lifestyle if you like. I'm a proletarian and always will be. You can look out your clandestine love hideaway, glimpse my beauty and hear my song. My life and my loins are my own.

Name a single thing humans judge accurately. Name a single system we have created that is just and infallible. Trust the future of humanity to humans? EFF RIGHT OFF.

Nature rules. Long live Nature.

Maybe you have something there. Let nature rule. No more medicine, no more healthcare, no more hospitals. Go back to nature and let most children die at or right after birth. Let someone's infected toothache kill them. Go back to lifespans being only about age 35. No more cures or treatments for things like plagues. Let disease run rampant - it's nature's way. That would certainly curb the population problem.

Yes! That is the answer! Let's go back to nature and do away with man-made laws! If you don't like someone, kill them - there will be no more laws saying you can't. Everyone can do whatever they want! Let's go back to being the savages we once were before we conquered nature. Nature rules!

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

Originally posted by rival
Here's an idea....

How about all you people who want to control how other people live and breed go take a
flying leap off a tall building...

....you can control when you jump, how far you jump......with the "right" type of arm-flapping
you might even be able to control how you land....is that enough control for you power hungry schmucks?

Its ok there will be a soft landing because of all you lot underneath us that can't be bothered to put a hat on it.

Sometimes control or DISCIPLINE is a good thing, show me how many of these young people are even capable of bringing kids up or even gave a single thought about the commitment needed.

You show me them and I'll show you a flapping armed person..

The only thing I'm gonna show you is that every person born has a right to live their life without
you telling them how to do it. The human race is no kingdom, it is not even a democracy....it is
everyman for himself...your rules stop where you do

Originally posted by TheLastStand
reply to post by Idonthaveabeard

 

disagree, while that may hold true for the 3rd world this does not hold true for industrialized nations like canada or the united states for example. So do it in the 3rd world but leave populations alone that are stable. This is not a one solution fits all type of problem.

I don't know if you have noticed but quite a chunk of the third world has moved to us and brought along their ideals on children. We have many Islamic ladies on our estate who have 8 kids and climbing, none work which isn't a slight at them but saying that its a rare job that allows a mother to have enough money to pay for the housing and daily lives and 10 kids..it does not exist in real life so these people are now dependant on the tax payer yet the tax payer does not get a say into why they are allowed to keep popping children.

Name me a family of 8 or more that actually has parents that work in the UK, open to all races and creeds

What I'm saying that the supposed stability you think we have is going to be shattered in the end, better to deal with it sooner.

Is this the twilight zone? Mods how obvious does it need to be? Ban these accounts. No sane human would call for a license to have a kid. I'm really starting to think this site is paid off to let these sell outs post here.

Originally posted by rival

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

Originally posted by rival
Here's an idea....

How about all you people who want to control how other people live and breed go take a
flying leap off a tall building...

....you can control when you jump, how far you jump......with the "right" type of arm-flapping
you might even be able to control how you land....is that enough control for you power hungry schmucks?

Its ok there will be a soft landing because of all you lot underneath us that can't be bothered to put a hat on it.

Sometimes control or DISCIPLINE is a good thing, show me how many of these young people are even capable of bringing kids up or even gave a single thought about the commitment needed.

You show me them and I'll show you a flapping armed person..

The only thing I'm gonna show you is that every person born has a right to live their life without
you telling them how to do it. The human race is no kingdom, it is not even a democracy....it is
everyman for himself...your rules stop where you do

Ah, so we all live our lives by chaos, we run around like headless chickens doing whatever we want because we know that's really worked well in the past?

Not...

A word comes to mind, responsibility..The responsibility to look after this planet that gives us life..

The responsibility to look after our own, this hippie / new age ideal of doing as you please without consequences is just a myth, there are ALWAYS consequences, sometimes to those most close to you..

wow look at the clusterfvck of transhumanist / eugenics scumbags...lemme guess the world is overpopulated as well
???...

gonna puke now...

Originally posted by Lannister
Is this the twilight zone? Mods how obvious does it need to be? Ban these accounts. No sane human would call for a license to have a kid. I'm really starting to think this site is paid off to let these sell outs post here.

Excuse me for breathing oh Nazi wannabe mod..

ATS is about discussion and guess what, that means hearing stuff you don't like, it does not make you right.

As for population limiting, yes its a good idea unless you have a wonderful free energy system just sitting in your back pocket..Thought not.

People are no longer breeding to keep the species alive they are doing it because they don't care about who's going to pick up the bill, if that is not the most stupid train of thought out there then I have to wonder who actually is sane.

For those who are on benefits I would like to see a cap on them after 2 children...Hardly the act of the grim reaper, just saying when you rely on other people to be paying your bills the very least you should do is not deliberately be a bigger burden because you can't be arsed to wear a condom.

You get the welfare for 2, any others no more benefits..You look after them yourself..

reply to post by Mclaneinc


I'm not even going to read your post. You are a traitor to your own species. You don't deserve my time.

The definition of social over population is the inability to provide decent housing and services to those that need it..

Look worldwide and now say we are not over populated..

Sigh.....You state the simple facts and you are suddenly one of the new world order looking to sneak in to houses slitting the throats of poor children while cackling in a loud voice.

Get real...The world isn't all rich and even in the supposed rich countries there's obscene poverty and standards that are just disgusting, plopping children out without thought is irrational and stupid unless you don't actually care about those who you bring into the world.

I do...Don't know about the rest...

Originally posted by Lannister
reply to post by Mclaneinc

 

I'm not even going to read your post. You are a traitor to your own species. You don't deserve my time.

Well there's a really grown up attitude...

A traitor???

A person who wants children to be brought into this world for the right reasons as opposed to someone who does not care what happens as long as they get their way...

Er, please, I don't want your time, its not worth anything to me..

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with you. I don't agree that a meth head couple has the right to produce a child that they don't care for because their priorities are to get their daily hit, rather than milk and bread and health care and clothing. Want to have children one day? Study hard. Do well in your life. Provide a life for your potential children that will give them the opportunity to become adults that contribute to society, that will be able to function well enough to have the lives that THEY will want in the future. Want to be a meth head? Want to wallow in self destruction, self-pity, and the one thing that's the most detrimental to our society as a whole today - that the world owes you something? Then do better. I applaud this idea.

reply to post by Mclaneinc


You want to know who the problem is? People like Ted Turner that has all that land, 5 children and thinks there's not enough room for the population. 5 kids and he wants to tell the rest of us we need a 1 child policy. Steve Jobbs that was nothing but a glorified slave master couldn't give a single cent on his death bed to a charity. This scum, filth, traitorous garbage is the cancer that rots away at our species and people like you walk in here and try to "educate" me on the real problem in the world? Cut the disease out and there would be no god damn poverty.

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

Originally posted by rival

Originally posted by Mclaneinc

Originally posted by rival
Here's an idea....

How about all you people who want to control how other people live and breed go take a
flying leap off a tall building...

....you can control when you jump, how far you jump......with the "right" type of arm-flapping
you might even be able to control how you land....is that enough control for you power hungry schmucks?

Its ok there will be a soft landing because of all you lot underneath us that can't be bothered to put a hat on it.

Sometimes control or DISCIPLINE is a good thing, show me how many of these young people are even capable of bringing kids up or even gave a single thought about the commitment needed.

You show me them and I'll show you a flapping armed person..

The only thing I'm gonna show you is that every person born has a right to live their life without
you telling them how to do it. The human race is no kingdom, it is not even a democracy....it is
everyman for himself...your rules stop where you do

Ah, so we all live our lives by chaos, we run around like headless chickens doing whatever we want because we know that's really worked well in the past?

Not...

A word comes to mind, responsibility..The responsibility to look after this planet that gives us life..

The responsibility to look after our own, this hippie / new age ideal of doing as you please without consequences is just a myth, there are ALWAYS consequences, sometimes to those most close to you..

Responsibility? ....You're talking about control. You want control, not personal responsibility.
You may find this strange but I'm on your side of the population issue. It is a coming global crisis
that cannot be refuted....but I would rather die in a mountain of human waste than assume that
I, or anyone has ANY RIGHT to tell other people whether they can breed or not.

Check this highly unpopular thread of mine please, before you reply...I have enough foresight to know
what's coming....I just don't have the gumption or will to believe I have any right to tell anyone else
how to live.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Nobody does.....NOBODY

I'm so sick of this bullcrap. You have these billionaires running around dictating to the rest of us how we're the bad guys when they're the ones screwing everything up! LOOK AT THE REAL #ING PROBLEM IN THIS WORLD! Look at what has always been the problem in this world. Read a #ing history book! Stop worshiping these idiots. Yes we're the only species on this planet that NEEDS a license to reproduce. Are you insane?!

This is a ridiculous argument! You start castrate humans, like animals, our species will be wiped out! The only reason why we have overpopulation, medical science. Also the weak need to go, we keep too many people alive. Plain and simple! Of course I am sure you didn't think of that!

For the very last time..

All I want is a logical and positive way at looking at why we have children, it is unacceptable for people who live off of benefits to be plopping children here and there without consequence, if that is so abhorrent to people then this world is already well and truly f**k*d.

Its a really hippie scenario to think its all love and happiness man, but its not, being a parent is a responsibility, its ok if you can afford it but when its being used by so many simply to achieve an income then our morals are screwed. That sort of ridiculous arrogance will kill the protection system we have in place.

This out of control breeding is costly to others while some lazy people just make em and bake em like they are by products of the sex.

Do I want parents to queue up in a line asking for permission, NO, I just want it made a bit clearer that doing as you please without the funds is stupid.

If that makes me a traitor then so be it, but I'm one happy traitor that I dare care about the way I live..