the eyes are the window of the soul

but the face is a mirror of character.

When a person goes through life being bitter they tend to clench facial muscles and as they age those muscles become more prominent hence to look upon the face of the eldest one can surmise just what kind of outlook they have held all their lives.

Some people have the kind of face that is comfortable to look upon, while others have that chiseled look of many a worry.

This leads to facial recognition and software developed to determine individuals can also be developed to determine a persons character and who poses a threat.

food for thought

My three cents is I tend to worry less about the asshole who complains and yells all the time than I do the quiet people or even worse are the happy people!

Those are the ones you really need to be on the look out for those happy cheerful bastards. Why? Because he's the one who is screwing you the most. Why do you think they're so damn happy he's not smiling at you he's laughing at you!

Well that's my food 4 thought.

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point taken, but to look in their eyes reveals what is inside of them. Most of those of whom you speak can't look you in the eyes and those who can lie straight to your face are pathological liars and in the end it is their own minds that turns their hair grey and the shallowness of the depth of their soul is self evident either way.

People really do have to live with themselves.

I have very poor vision. I have zero night vision. When I speak to someone I rarely am looking into their eyes as I am not seeing them anyways; my focus is more on the body and its subtle language.

As for my own ragged face, now that I am nearing 50, I can clearly see where I have spent a lifetime of emotional pain as my wrinkles do not flare out from my eyes but rather run down my face like tears. Of course they are tears that have long since dried but the memory of them is burned through none-the-less.

I am most certain it is the compassionate who will take "them" down!

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While I wear glasses I do know of people who have had laser surgery and they have 20-20 vision again.

Body language is something I tend to notice a lot too, like the time dubya said "Look, we all want a lasting piece in the middle east" while making a cutting motion with his hand. (followed by the heh heh heh of what he thought was a private joke that wasn't evident.)

People tend to think that their thoughts are hidden (duplicity of meanings aside) but some people do have a sort of sixth sense for truth. Eyes are a limit we put upon ourselves and I remember not too long ago a story about the blind being able to feel for vision. There was a device that was kept in the mouth and I think it kind of worked like radar where an object obstructing their path was relayed to the device and drew itself on the tongue via impulses. Braille for the tongue sort of thing

Brings to mind exactly what muscle characteristics people who compensate for lack of hearing for example would manifest. Do our eyes become enhanced like the way blind people have enhanced hearing? Become bug-eyed? Does the brain then use different facial muscles when eyes are no longer squinting or staring? Do the ears grow bigger? Become able to direct sound by turning on their own instead of turning the head?

Kind of intriguing when you look at possibilities.

Originally posted by Greensage
I have very poor vision. I have zero night vision. When I speak to someone I rarely am looking into their eyes as I am not seeing them anyways; my focus is more on the body and its subtle language.

As for my own ragged face, now that I am nearing 50, I can clearly see where I have spent a lifetime of emotional pain as my wrinkles do not flare out from my eyes but rather run down my face like tears. Of course they are tears that have long since dried but the memory of them is burned through none-the-less.

I am most certain it is the compassionate who will take "them" down!

A very touching and inspiring post but I believe it is the compassionate who will lift "us" up as opposed to taking "them" down. Sending out a positive vibe for ya!

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I am sorry, I guess that was a sort of "hidden" meaning. What I meant was that if they were looking for a "specific look" as the OP seems to indicate, it would be the compassionate that "evil" would be looking for, as it is through compassion that they will be "taken down" LOL.

Personally, the only one that will "lift" us out of this mess is Jesus, however, equally so, he will be sending a whole lot of them "down"! LOL If you get my drift.

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You don't owe me an apology. We are exchanging perspectives. We may not agree on everything but I think we can agree that both perspectives gives us insight which leads to truth.

when my girlfriend looks into my eyes she says she sees nothing, empty darkness... and she is right, i never have been a good person, the only good thing i have ever done is create my daughter and be good dad.

I didnt even feel upset when a family member died, and they were a close well loved memeber of the family.. I personally dont think i have a soul.. repent?

so i agree you can tell alot from the face of someone.. i look at people i can tell the evil once by there eyebrows.

Originally posted by anoncoholic
but the face is a mirror of character.

When a person goes through life being bitter they tend to clench facial muscles and as they age those muscles become more prominent hence to look upon the face of the eldest one can surmise just what kind of outlook they have held all their lives.

Some people have the kind of face that is comfortable to look upon, while others have that chiseled look of many a worry.

This leads to facial recognition and software developed to determine individuals can also be developed to determine a persons character and who poses a threat.

food for thought

Some folks are very comfortable with being unbelievably evil, and those are the ones who are most successful with being evil.

We call them psychopaths. Your facial recognition software idea fails when you have to deal with the fact that malevolence isn't stressful for the truly evil person. In fact, it's like drinking water and breathing fresh air for these folks. Their faces are smooth, and easy to look at. They have deep smile lines, and put the stress lines on the faces of their victims.

Your facial recognition theory would let these freaks pass and zero in on the people that they've victimized for decades.

I can see many effed up scenarios featuring your application of facial recognition software.

Originally posted by NorEaster

Some folks are very comfortable with being unbelievably evil, and those are the ones who are most successful with being evil.

We call them psychopaths. Your facial recognition software idea fails when you have to deal with the fact that malevolence isn't stressful for the truly evil person. In fact, it's like drinking water and breathing fresh air for these folks. Their faces are smooth, and easy to look at. They have deep smile lines, and put the stress lines on the faces of their victims.

Your facial recognition theory would let these freaks pass and zero in on the people that they've victimized for decades.

I can see many effed up scenarios featuring your application of facial recognition software.

I agree. I have been told many times that I look mean. "You look like a POed biker man!" I get a lot of you look like Ian Scott from the band Anthrax. How I look on the outside really doesn't reflect who I am on the inside. Greensage already made this point beautifully. Sending out some positive vibes!

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I really don't know what compelled me to write this thread and this morning I was going to add phrenology into the mix but reading your (and others) comments has brought a whole new dimension to it and admittedly one I hadn't thought of.

I do not believe there is anybody that doesn't have a soul and all I can offer is my own best guess as to someone elses nature since I only really know myself for sure but how you describe yourself isn't even that unusual as I have known someone who was similar. It wouldn't be fair to stereotype though as every person is unique and individual in their background and upbringing.

There is a cliche about not knowing what we have until its gone and it is apparent you love your daughter very much. Would you feel loss if she were gone? Of course you would. So it isn't that you don't have any feelings, but perhaps that you aren't moved by others and take them for granted.

This isn't a repent type of situation IMO because what is there to repent from? Not being moved by others doesn't mean you are incapable of being moved, but that you are apathetic and lack empathy and in the world we live in it is understandable since so few really reach out to others to begin with. That hit the road Jack I'm alright mentality. That growing up in an era where all we sought was to make ourselves feel good rather than expend the energy on making others feel good about themselves.

There was a book written back in the 60's called "I'm Ok, You're Ok" that broke down all the possible variations of interactions with others and if you can find it I'd recommend it although as far as I can remember it was kind of a dry read. Basically I think it was meant to put the focus on us rather than me, or you

Life is precious, all life. I even cry for roadkill and yet few could even understand why.. I feel everything. Probably over-sensitive and am even afraid of my own voice yet to look at me I am the stereotypical biker with the pony tail and leather. Military trained and lethal if I wanted to be yet that isn't me. If I can feel your presence I also feel your absence and with absence comes loss since to really feel others (like having that affinity with animals) joins the spirit with others.

I don't think you are cold and dead in your heart but just not in touch with your heart. The head does that. We do reflect our environment and the guy I knew who was similar had a life of the proverbial silver spoon and he looked down on anybody not blessed with means and yet as he grew older and even decided he didn't have to work - even asking for his inheritance before his parents were even dead, he eventually lost it all and in his desperation (and resentment since the family was worth millions and it mostly went to his younger brother) he eventually took his life.

That kind of despair isn't from not having a soul, but not having what he desired and only when he hit bottom did he begin to feel and understood he could only blame himself. He could have easily taken the family business and run it with his brother but because everything was always given to him he took it all for granted.

So again, all I can offer is IMO and not knowing you I really don't know what to say other than take a look outside of yourself and see all the Blessings around you... then feel what it would be like to not have it in your life. I won't offer the empty platitudes nor even suggest finding Faith in the Lord as I think you intuitively know that it would be pointless without first coming to know yourself.

Deep down inside of you is a lot of repression and I think you are just starting to come to grips with the affect you have on the world around you and that is why you begin to wonder because it was your daughter that is opening your heart.

Don't take her for granted, and don't drift away from your wife otherwise you will lose both.

Reach out to them and I hope you come to find them reaching out to you.

There is always hope

Originally posted by ototheb85
when my girlfriend looks into my eyes she says she sees nothing, empty darkness... and she is right, i never have been a good person, the only good thing i have ever done is create my daughter and be good dad.

I didnt even feel upset when a family member died, and they were a close well loved memeber of the family.. I personally dont think i have a soul.. repent?

so i agree you can tell alot from the face of someone.. i look at people i can tell the evil once by there eyebrows.

Some people are not suppose to look "into" us. As for not having a Soul only you would know that about your own condition, I can understand how the lack of emotions is synonymous. You say "repent", which actually has a meaning within the Bible, it means to "change", in the original meaning.

This is a messed up world that is going to get ugly, maybe it will take the unaffected, emotionally to death, that will be able to react in the manner of making it to the other side of it all. Emotional people break down and give up.

Since this is on the level of Spirituality, I believe there is an event on the horizon, most of us do. It is the opening of the Abyss. The "embodiment" is about to take place. We open to Good we receive that embodiment, we open to Bad then we receive likewise. The Locusts of the pit of the Abyss that will subjugate mankind for 5 months, stinging with tails like a scorpion, will occur from within! Not some big hole in the ground, but Spiritually. Everyone will be engulfed in Fire, but an internal fire, not physically.

It is the separation of the wheat and the tares, the sheep from the goats, the good from the bad. The internal/eternal fire will either burn or not, we decide. Good and bad in everything! Good and bad in every religion, every government, every police precinct.

Yeah, a bit off topic of facial recognition, my guess is this will be when there really will be a Christian persecution the likes we have never seen before!

Gotta start singing, dancing, or something to get the Spirit flowing! Find it and make yourself available to it, either or! We cannot have the Good without the Bad in this state of affairs, might as well pick the better team!

Bless you for sharing this about yourself!

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Ever wonder why pro poker players wear sunglasses. I play a lot of poker in the casino and watch my opponents faces for micro tells. Usually the eyes give more information than you can imagine if you are trained.

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Yes, I must admit my thoughts were biased since I only base things on my own reflections and never considered that not everyone has my nature.

But I do not believe that people are inherently evil even though they have the propensity (and probability) of being so. They probably have the "It is better to reign in hell than serve in Heaven" mindset and in the end they will know who reigns supreme.

That software isn't mine (nor anyone elses as far as I know) but was only a theory of it being possible. Seeing what is inside the head could be a science (maybe not exact) and this morning I had thought of phrenology. The science of studying bumps on the head and considering that different areas of the brain control different aspects of ourselves it would (could) be possible to know capabilities. (and propensity)

The thing that got my mind on this track in the first place was watching Minority report again and predetermining what a person will do.


At any rate, thank you all for contributing as it is a thought provoking subject with possible far reaching effects in more than one aspect.

Human Nature is an invisible thing but isn't uniform. After I got married my 'stache turned white lol Do I blame her or do I accept that I had more responsibility?

... probably both

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It is always in the eyes.

I remember when I was a lot younger and on a subway in Toronto there was this beautiful girl on a train headed the opposite direction. Our eyes met for a few seconds until the trains started pulling out and the only way to describe it was mesmerized.

I was too shy, inhibited by background and reflecting what society instilled in me and to this day I often wonder what would have come of it. That electricity was evident from yards away

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There was a time I didn't care for others. I could turn on that "get out of my face" look and never had confrontations. A look can intimidate as easily as it can inspire

I do admit, and I am certain someone else has said this before, some people do appear to have a "pretense" of things to come.

Take for instance Vince, I mean, if I had known this guy I would have already told him, "what ever you do don't ever take crack!" Instinctively my mind sees his future based on his eyes, imagine that!

Some of the nastiest, greediest, most non-compassionate people I have known were very good looking. Some of the nicest, most generous, most compassionate people I have known were very troubled/serious looking.

Your boxes can't fit everyone, thankfully.