US to stop deporting and grant work permits to younger illegal immigrants

Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by michaelbrux

 

My ancestors didn't scale any fences, swim any rivers, or break any laws to get here... LEGAL immigration makes us a better country, my wife is a naturalized citizen, BUT illegal immigration is horrible.

It leaves us with a diluted employment and gene pool. Legal immigration takes many of the best and brightest from all over the world.

Illegal immigration takes the people who weren't even employable in Mexico.... yeah great future.

the message on the Statue of Liberty says something about tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

your ancestors were obviously not in a much better situation than anyone else before they got here and now a whole bunch of people can finally exhale.

Originally posted by alchemist2012
reply to post by michaelbrux

 

Forgive me I answered with that to fast and may have been........................
But yes it is kind of similar no???????????????????

You are absolutely correct.

While I am very much against this, your statement (comparing this to Lincoln freeing the slaves) is accurate.

After Lincoln abolished slavery, the citizens who wanted to keep the 'status quo' became very outraged and were extremely upset that these 'new citizens' also now had the right to vote. Thus, the Klu Klux Klan was born-as a terrorist arm of the Democratic party to threaten blacks to vote democratic.

By the 60s, lots of private business owners had started to specify that they were not interested in servicing blacks- now, as a black woman myself, I have to admit that looking at that from a mature standpoint, they had every right to be racist. While it may be perceived as being morally wrong, it certainly is not illegal...

These private business owners soon saw their basic right to their social preference of segregation trampled on by the Supreme Court with the Commerce Clause. In the case of The Heart of Atlanta Motel vs The United States, a private motel owner was forced to open his business up to blacks, as the federal gov't saw it as an interference to interstate economic activity.

This was the beginning of forced integration.

Honestly, I believe that a lot of the backlash toward blacks during that time was not "I hate you because of your skin color", but more so "I hate big government controlling my private social activity, under the guise of commerce".

(Hey, if you see this post in a new thread of mine, join in on the discussion. I have plans to write a thread on this topic.)

reply to post by cavalryscout


I'm not going to argue with you or your armchair comments. you are spouting off without any factual basis or experience.

Criminal aliens are either encountered in prisons or jails and, when in ICE custody, are placed into prisons or jails (for the most part since there are few immigration detention centers) pending deportation.

Illegal aliens represent about 20% of the inmates in federal prison.

We also sort through folks being arrested at county levels to identify aliens from citizens, so we are regulary and intimately familiar with the varying representative populations.

•The 287(g) program and related efforts have found high rates of illegal alien incarceration in some communities. But it is unclear if the communities are representative of the country:
◦Maricopa County, Ariz.: 22 percent of felons are illegal aliens;
◦Lake County, Ill.: 19 percent of jail inmates are illegal aliens;
◦Collier County, Fla.: 20 to 22 percent of jail inmates and arrestees are illegal aliens;
◦Weld County, Colo.: 12.8 to 15.2 percent of those jailed are illegal aliens.

•DHS states that it has identified 221,000 non-citizens in the nation’s jails. This equals 11 to 15 percent of the jail population

Source

Play with the numbers all you want. That's 20% in federal prison, or about a quarter million people in jails nationwide, who shouldn't be here in the first place. And now YOU are paying for their meals, medical, clothes, rehab and activities.

Originally posted by cavalryscout
reply to post by joesomebody

 

Illegals can't vote.......can they?

Oh yes they can- and despite the new Voter ID law.

Basically, they do not have to provide proof of legal residency to get an 'ID-for-voting-purposes". In fact, this ID for them is free of charge and they do not have to wait in the dreaded lines at DMV like the rest of us. They will be put in a 'expedited services' line, according to the Tennessee law.

Originally posted by cavalryscout

Originally posted by KnawLick
You guys are so right. We should just have a totally open doors policy.

I hate my own culture and customs so much that I want them replaced with sombreros and tacos.

As long as I'm not seen as an evil racist, I'll even dumb down the curriculum at my kids school for these poor poor people.

That's a bit much.

Don't you think we as a country have much bigger things to worry about than a few Mexicans sneaking across the border?

I don't know what you think but Arizona isn't bursting at the seams with illegal immigrants. They want you to think that border states are but the truth is it's really exaggerated!

edit on 15-6-2012 by cavalryscout because: (no reason given)

Do we really though? Why bother fixing the debt? Why bother bringing our elites to justice? Why bother restoring the constitution?

...If we are handing the country to Mexicans anyways

Originally posted by cavalryscout
reply to post by joesomebody

 

Illegals can't vote.......can they?

They can with blanket amnesty.

Also:

Originally posted by ButterCookie

Oh yes they can- and despite the new Voter ID law.

Basically, they do not have to provide proof of legal residency to get an 'ID-for-voting-purposes". In fact, this ID for them is free of charge and they do not have to wait in the dreaded lines at DMV like the rest of us. They will be put in a 'expedited services' line, according to the Tennessee law.

Lets all pick the next law to ignore.

Why not seems to be in vogue.

reply to post by buster2010


I would believe this to be the case. It is too easy for homebred young people to collect government handouts so why work for minimum wage or two low paying jobs.

Here in Canada the government is rewriting the Employment Insurance policies, they now require people to accept jobs up to a 30% wage loss and if your skills are transferrable, then you will also be required to accept that lower paying, less prestigous job or you will receive nadda.

What will they be doing to the Welfare policies to deal with the increased influx of people who just refuse to work for low wages or accept a position lower than what they are educated for?

This is an interesting social study and I would expect the immigrants would take those low paying jobs because that will be a better, higher quality of life than what they left behind.

What's that saying "Somebody has to do it".

reply to post by capod2t


your source is based on the following

This study examines academic and government research on the question of immigrant crime. New government data indicate that immigrants have high rates of criminality

Immigrants-not illegals

In this report we use the words immigrant and foreign-born interchangeably. The foreign-born or immigrants are defined as persons living in the United States who were not U.S. citizens at birth.1 The foreign-born include non-citizens, both legal and illegal, as well as naturalized American citizens.

NONCITIZEN doesn't necessary mean illegal.

This is for the past few posts that replied to my comments.

If you people had your way it would be like living in Nazi Germany.

I'm serious why not just round up ALL of the evil Mexicans and hell why not just execute them. It would be cheaper then sending them home because well they'll just come back anyway.

Why stop there lets get the Asians next you know those #ing Chinese are up to no good. I know not all Asians are Chinese but if it walks and talks like a duck.

Don't forget about the Jews and might as well toss in the Mormons hey I know we can have cage fights between them.

Am I forgetting anybody else you guys want to eradicate?

..........

I'd like to point out a few things in this article.

1) I believe the key word in the first paragraph is "apply" .. doesn't mean that it will be a sweeping amnesty.
2) the criteria seems rather fair to me

The memo said the government would not pursue immigrants who met five criteria. Individuals must:
Have come to the United States under the age of 16,
Be no older than 30,
Be currently enrolled in school, have graduated high school or served in the military,
Have been in the country for five continuous years, and
Have a clean criminal record.

and I'm also wondering how many who are so opposed to this are just angry because of the administration that's proposing it rather than the policy itself. And, how many of those think that "blanket amnesty" was ok when Reagan did it in '86.

Not saying I completely agree or disagree, but wanted to get my 2 cents out here anyway.
So, now I shall bow out and you can commence with attacking me with whatever vengeance you feel I deserve

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Obama pandering to the Hispanic vote, nothing more about it. Send the illegals back! What is so hard about this? Other countries have very strict laws and then our country is sold out!! It is really pissing me off

Our government apparently thinks foreign nationals are their constituents. Also you are spot on -

President Obama to address Latino leaders in Orlando

ORLANDO, Fla. —


President Barack Obama is expected to make a stop in Orlando, next month.

The National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials announced Tuesday that the president will speak at its annual three-day conference.

The organization said it's a chance for him to address key issues facing the Latino community.

Obama will be at the conference June 22 at Disney's contemporary resort.

Nearly 1,000 public officials are expected to attend the conference.

He is pandering and nothing more.

Now if you will excuse me I need to check outside to see if the world is ending since we actually agree on something

Time to get involved people -
U.S. House of Representatives
U.S. Senate

It takes 5 minutes to let your rep know how you feel on this. We need to do more than identify a problem and complain about it. Remind your government who they work for and be heard.

If this doesn't qualify as a high crime and misdemeanor, nothing does.

Obama needs to be charged with treason.

Whether they came here on their own, or were brought here by their parents, that fact is irrelevant. The bottom line is the President of the United States is violating the Constitution (yet again), and refusing to enforce current laws.

The demographics of the U.S. are already taking a turn for the worst, this will only expedite that process.

By the year 2100, the U.S. will resemble a 3rd world nation.

reply to post by cavalryscout


So you equate Americans demanding our laws actually be obeyed by OUTSIDERS (the jews within germany were citizens and afforded rights therefore) with Nazi Germany?

Thats about as unoriginal, cliche example you could use... Try again.

reply to post by Azdraik

Lets all pick the next law to ignore.

Let's be honest.

There are many laws on the books that are ignored for a variety of reasons.

reply to post by FreeFromTheHerd

The demographics of the U.S. are already taking a turn for the worst, this will only expedite that process.

How do you view the demographics should look like?

reply to post by cavalryscout


Mexico’s Immigration Law: Let’s Try It Here at Home - 2006

Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:
in the country legally;
have the means to sustain themselves economically;
not destined to be burdens on society;
of economic and social benefit to society;
of good character and have no criminal records; and
contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

The law also ensures that:
immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:
Foreigners are admitted into Mexico "according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress." (Article 32)
Immigration officials must "ensure" that "immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance" and for their dependents. (Article 34)
Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets "the equilibrium of the national demographics," when foreigners are deemed detrimental to "economic or national interests," when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when "they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy." (Article 37)
The Secretary of Governance may "suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest." (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:
Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)
A National Population Registry keeps track of "every single individual who comprises the population of the country," and verifies each individual's identity. (Articles 85 and 86)
A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:
Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)
Foreigners who sign government documents "with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses" are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:
Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)
Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)
Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121). Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico -- such as working with out a permit -- can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)

Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
Shipping and airline companies that bring undocumented foreigners into Mexico will be fined. (Article 132)

I saw we adopt their immigration laws.

reply to post by jam321


How about what they have looked like throughout the history of this nation?

Take a look at mexico, do you want that here?

reply to post by FreeFromTheHerd

How about what they have historically looked like throughout the history of this nation? Take a look at mexico, do you want that here?

Are you saying keep it White and everybody else as a minority?

Asking because I don't want to be accused of putting words in your mouth.

No, I don't want to be like Mexico, but just because brown people might take over sometime in the future, I don't see us turning into Mexico.