Fasting, and my irrefultable results.

Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
Got any before and after pics?

Not doubting you mate, but this sounds almost incredible.

Fasting every two 2 weeks is rather extreme, I have to admit.

On the day before my colonoscopy appointment I could only drink clear liquid (and Jell-o). From midnight on the scheduled day I could have nothing. I woke up at 2 a.m. feeling like a mad starving animal. I opened the fridge and ate everything I could get my hands on.

If this diet consists of drinking only water for two WHOLE weeks, not only would I not make it, but I would probably eat somebody!

reply to post by jiggerj


And you don't see that as an addiction? Think about it. You are addicted to food. You owe it to yourself to do something and soon. There is no reason to start with two weeks. Don't take the OP's method as some sort of gospel. He said to find your own way. Start with skipping everything after a reasonable, grain-free breakfast. Go completely grain-free for as long as is humanly possible because grains are absolutely the worst part of the Western diet. Before you ever eat anything, drink a full glass of water half an hour before anything enters your mouth. Make that a rule. Start off slow and easy. Be creative and get to know yourself while you clean that toxic mess up!

reply to post by Lulzaroonie


Eating carbs at night is bad. At night your body is less active which means less energy being burned and anything extra gets stored as fat. When you're dieting carbs and sugar is the two main things you have to avoid. Keeping carbs extremely low. Like low carb bread for a sandwich at lunch that's it or a piece of fruit. Anymore and your body will not burn fat. To start with this diet you have to go all protein only for 2 weeks to force your body to go into ketosis. Ketosis just means to burn fat instead of carbs/sugar. Once in ketosis and staying there your body on average will burn 1lb a day and that's doing nothing really just the average work and daily house chores.

For those who are a bit worried about fasting for such a long period, intermittent 1-2 day fasts will yield similar results.

reply to post by sean


A low-carb bread is made of what? Starches? Proteins? It could well be that Lulzaroonie is intolerant to foods, but that avenue is not acknowledged and therefore not addressed by the doctors. It sounds to me like that would be the next thing to test. That can be done quite easily and quickly, if an accommodating doctor can be found. Good luck there! They aren't at all interested in promoting wellness!

reply to post by CosmicEgg


Of course not there is absolute quacks out there! The body can be very reluctant to do anything, it's stuck in that same old routine. A diet you think is a diet might not be doing anything. A reluctant body with a metabolism that is in limbo will stretch that little bit of carbs as far as it will go. So a low carb diet will probably take you a year to lose very little. Now a diet like the OP or high protein diet only will literally shock your body back into pace again, but it's all difficult you got everything against ya. So you gotta stick to it and be a trooper.

Originally posted by sean
reply to post by CosmicEgg

 

So you gotta stick to it and be a trooper.

Well spoken, I will not lie and admit it was hard at first. Pizza, burgers, applebees entrees all haunted my mind, but when I was able to get beyond that point, it was so much worth it! Im talking about crazy amazing mental clarity, if you ever experience it you will never go back!

reply to post by theclutch


Juicing is a great thing. My wife has a thyroid disease (Hashimoto's) and she would starve herself and not eat. she gained 60lbs and couldn't loose it. We started juicing and cut out sugar. the results are amazing! She has lost all of the weight she gained, and now eats normally. It didn't "fix" the thyroid, but she doesn't have the chills, fatigue, hair loss, weight gain, and sleeping issues that she had. We do 90% organic, but kind of go with what is on sale.

Carrots - 8 lbs
Brocolli - 5 lbs
Spinach - Big bag
Cucumbers - 5 large
Kiwi - 3
Apples - 3
Oranges - 5

It seems to me that drinking one glass is like a 5hr energy. Just no caffeine.
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reply to post by imagineering


Yeah you would kill for a slice of bread haha!

reply to post by imagineering


You got me curious enough to go out and do my own research on this, and from what I'm reading long water fasts are lauded as being extremely beneficial. Not just for physical health, but mental and spiritual as well. And two weeks isn't one of the long ones.

Some of the people who rave about this the most are people who've done 40 and 60 day fasts! I'm excited to start prepping for a fast. I need A LOT of prep work, but I want to start out with maybe a 3-day, then a week, two weeks...I want to work my way up to the 40-day fast. It sounds like a lot of work, and constant commitment, but well worth it!!

reply to post by sean


If you read things I've posted about this before, you will see that I'm not a fan of carbs, particularly starchy ones. Personally there is very little I can eat and remain reasonably healthy. I have a lot of food intolerances and those keep me on the straight and narrow. I still have chosen to do that though because I don't want to be overweight or have sore joints or a foggy mind or sleep badly or have any other problems that food causes when it is bad for me. That's "for me".

But I know that absolutely all processed foods are bad for you, bar none. No one gets good earth in their diet because we've virtually sterilized our foods. With good reason too, since there are so many disease outbreaks in the US and other agriculturally unscrupulous countries. That too is the thing: Foods are very badly treated by the industry, every bit as badly as animals are. So what are we doing at the end of the day? What do we expect from these foods? We wonder why we're all sick and miserable but we do stupid things and then eat them without understanding food and the role of food in our lives. It's all a huge pathological circuit. We are simply not going to last as a species if we keep on this route. Our only choice is to clean out the lies that have polluted our bodies for a couple of generations now and get on track again.

Forsake everything modern medicine has told you about nutritional health. Don't go the route of those stupid hype diets. Detox your body with simple, honest foods and water in the smallest amounts possible with large amounts of water to wash the waste out (this reduces or prevents headaches) and get sufficient rest. Start walking or doing very gentle exercises. Learn to deep breathe. All of these things will help soften the effects of fasting. But you have to hold out for that next bit of food until you are really experiencing genuine hunger and not just needing your next fix.

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
reply to post by jiggerj

 

And you don't see that as an addiction? Think about it. You are addicted to food. You owe it to yourself to do something and soon. There is no reason to start with two weeks. Don't take the OP's method as some sort of gospel. He said to find your own way. Start with skipping everything after a reasonable, grain-free breakfast. Go completely grain-free for as long as is humanly possible because grains are absolutely the worst part of the Western diet. Before you ever eat anything, drink a full glass of water half an hour before anything enters your mouth. Make that a rule. Start off slow and easy. Be creative and get to know yourself while you clean that toxic mess up!

Addicted? Hey, I can put down these cupcakes, cheese curls and steak subs any time I ....
AHHH! No I can't!

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
reply to post by jiggerj

 

And you don't see that as an addiction? Think about it. You are addicted to food. You owe it to yourself to do something and soon. There is no reason to start with two weeks. Don't take the OP's method as some sort of gospel. He said to find your own way. Start with skipping everything after a reasonable, grain-free breakfast. Go completely grain-free for as long as is humanly possible because grains are absolutely the worst part of the Western diet. Before you ever eat anything, drink a full glass of water half an hour before anything enters your mouth. Make that a rule. Start off slow and easy. Be creative and get to know yourself while you clean that toxic mess up!

Addicted? Hey, I can put down these cupcakes, cheese curls and steak subs any time I ....
AHHH! No I can't!

Atleast your honest about it

Did you work out during your fasting? If so how much?

For those interested here is a book on living without food.

niejedzenie.info...

Thought this was appropriate for this thread.

Also, a program from Dr. Sears called PACE is something that really resonated with me. Here is a link to an article:

alsearsmd.com...

I really think this sounds pretty accurate on how our bodies react to traditional aerobic activity. I have the PDF of his book if anyone here is interested. Good read!

Peace!

reply to post by occy30


I want to say this now so that people understand something very important about fasting: You are meant to be resting your body during a fast, no matter how long or short it is. You are definitely not meant to work yourself in any way. Ideally this would include meditation or just sitting in silence, it would include sexual abstinence, it would include increasing the number of hours you sleep per night. All of this will facilitate healing. The very most exercise you should do is walking, and you would want to do that minimally during the fast but at every opportunities outside of fasting.

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
reply to post by occy30

 

I want to say this now so that people understand something very important about fasting: You are meant to be resting your body during a fast, no matter how long or short it is. You are definitely not meant to work yourself in any way. Ideally this would include meditation or just sitting in silence, it would include sexual abstinence, it would include increasing the number of hours you sleep per night. All of this will facilitate healing. The very most exercise you should do is walking, and you would want to do that minimally during the fast but at every opportunities outside of fasting.

I moderately jog, and for sure do walk and sleep a full night during my fast, the exercise actually helps me stay pumped up. During my fast I exercise every other day, when im not fasting I exercise intensely. In two months my physical health has sky rocketed!

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by imagineering

 

If you aren't putting anything into your body but water, and you are still physically exerting yourself, you are breaking down muscle more than fat as muscle has more protein and that's what you would be requiring.

Each person is different, but I'd always avoid against this, you are doing damage that might not be immediately apparent.

You need more than water.

Your body stores fat to convert to glucose, your body's primary energy source. Carbs are the main macro nutrient source for glucose. Excess is stored as fat (adipose). Ingested fat can also be stored as adipose. Protein is MUCH more difficult to be converted to adipose or glucose. There is a loss of energy to convert protein to fat. Your body isn't stupid. It will look for undigested carbs, glycogen in muscle and fat tissue for energy before muscle tissue. Protein is primarily used for tissue building not "fuel". Yes muscles tissue will be broken down as a protein source if your body is lacking. And it's something to worry about if you are REALLY exerting yourself physically.. to the point where muscle tissue is breaking down and needs repair.

But if you are FAT then this isn't really something to worry about.. unless you are a power lifter, bodybuilder.

Fasting is normal. Your body knows what to do. Starving yourself for a prolonged period of time isn't a good idea. But if you are carrying excess fat you likely have nothing to lose (and plenty to gain) with a 7 day water fast.

And if you are fat and decide to go for a (fresh) juice fast.. this is something you can safely do for an extended period of time. Enzymes in the juice are a protein source although i wouldn't expect to build a ton of muscle on a juice diet.

Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
I am seeing a lot of comments regarding not eating carbs after 7pm. My doctor (though I admit, they don't always know exactly what they're talking about regarding nutrition since they all tell you different things) recommended I eat no carbs after 5pm and switch my daytime meals, ie: main meal at lunch time, and a small lunch time meal at dinner time.

What is the difference between not eating carbs after 5pm rather than not eating after 7pm? The only thing I've noticed is that I usually go to bed hungry.

I'm got significant weight problems, for the last three years I've been under medical scrutiny, they've exhausted their testing to figure out what is causing it (along with other feminine issues I won't go into), and all they can tell me do to is "Try to lose weight".
In 6 months I've lost ONE KILO. You can lose a kilo overnight just through natural bodily processes, weight fluctuates by as much throughout the day as it is, so I may as well have lost no weight at all despite having joined a gym in December and being an active member 3/5 times a week and taking the doctors advice and rejigging my meals and not eating carbs after 5...

Forget about when you eat, frequency and what(carbs, fat, protein?). Focus on one thing - the AMOUNT of calories you eat. TRACK IT with dailyburn or any other of the 400 sites/apps available.

Calculate your BMR -www.bmi-calculator.net... and eat 500 calories less per day. I can guarantee you will lose weight.. Even if all you ate was twinkies and french fries at 3 in the morning every day.

Originally posted by autowrench

Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
For those who can make it work for them, fair play. I've attempted fasting in the past but get overcome with insane headaches, the shakes, irritability and nausea. I know that this is all part and parcel of the start of a fast, but with a young child, I personally value my ability to function 'normally' 100% of the time, rather than sitting out the rest of the fast.
I've heard many great benefits of fasting, and I hope in time, I could actually really give it a serious go and overcome the first full 24 hours with little fuss.

Yes, fair play indeed. I too have tried it long ago, but in my view, moderation in all things is the way to go. I have a bad stomach, with Helicobacter Pylori. Going over a few hours without food is akin to a nightmare of abdominal pain and suffering. But to each his own.

If you have Helicobacter Pylori that is a great reason TO fast. Suck it up and get rid of it. The "nightmare" is only prolonged until you deal with it. Go on a fast and kill it.

reply to post by elmoastro


MmmmCheetos!

I used to fast for 3-4 days but I have not done it in a long time perhaps I should again...Oh and I don't workout during sorry that is a no no