Fasting, and my irrefultable results.

a reply to: imagineering

I just started a fast 3 day ago, I was not feeling to well. I was like, felling bloated, pain in gall bladder area. I feel better already, the pain in the gall blatter area has now become like a tick, I notice every once in a while.

I have gone on fast before, the longest was 9 days, I stopped the fast because I was losing about a pound a day, I didn't weigh as much then as I do now, I weight about 230 now, I'm not fat, but I could lose 20 pounds, no big deal.

I am surprised so many people are not aware of what fasting does, this is what animals do from instinct, if they become ill in some cases. What happens in the human body is, the body starts to clean up the mess that has acumulated over time. The lymth system gets a chance to get rid of some of the muck in the system. The body does not go after healty cells first, that would be self destructive. First it would look for a the surplus stuff laying around, before it would start to consume the healthy parts of the body. There are all kinds of surplus, like why do you think people store fat, for hard times right, but when a person runs out of fat, that is when they die. This was found out when those Irish dudes went on the hunger strikes, back in the 70s I believe, this was not know till that time, as I remember. I could last a month easy.

When I did my 9 days fast as I said I lost a pound a day, I could not spare that much weight back then as I was already skinny. I did not go as long as I wanted to back then, as I was just starting to get things cleaned up. Just as I stopped the fast a white substance had started to exit my pores.

About the clearity of mind thing, I notice afer the first 24 hours of this fast, that my mind was more focused. I also noticed that astral projection buzz coming back into my head.

This is a great thread for me to come across, during this fast, I'm going to try maybe 20 days, or until I become hungry again, as at this time I have no desire for food.

a reply to: OOOOOO
Could you keep us informed of your progress? Or perhaps keep a diary or make notes about your mental and physical state as the days go by?
I am interested in this, as a couple of months ago I got real sick from MSG, and could not keep anything but water down for 3 days, and then ate just a few calories a day for another 3 or 4 days, and it was 9 or 10 days before I was eating enough to meet the minimum daily calorie intake recommendations.
During this period, my body seemed to be repairing itself at an amazing rate, and I thought it was just because of being off MSG, which causes total havoc with the (or mine anyway) bodies functions in many ways. However, about a month ago I read about the benefits of the water fast, and how when ketosis kicks in, the body produces new stem cells, so it is likely that effect and not just being off MSG that was doing the repairs. After about 10 days, when I was eating enough again, I think the ketosis turned off, and the rapid repairs slowed down. All the benefits I had are still holding, so I will be staying off MSG forever, as I know that was why I was so sick to begin with.
In making some inquiries once I was up and about again, I met the pharmacist at one of our local drug stores, and he had been through hell with mental (depression mostly) and physical problems, and had done his own researcha nd put it down to MSG. Being a pharmacist, of course he has access to anything that he wanted to deal with the problem, but nothing helped, then he tried homeopathy, no good. He wants to meet with me to discuss his situation, as when I told him about my recovery (by email), he said he literally had tears in his eyes. I told him that I didn't think cutting back MSG, or any other form of gradual treatment would be effective, and that the water fast might be the only way to kickstart his system, to re-boot it, and those new stem cells would seem to be the key to it all.
So, if I can point him to your progress report, it may well persuade him to try it. He says he is much too busy with work, fast paced, long hours, I guess they earn their $60+ an hour salary, but seriously, if his condition is so bad, surely he could give up a week or 10 days of his life if it was going to make such big improvements.
Thanks and good luck with your fast.

a reply to: imagineering

You didn't say anything about your age. Only fairly young people
can jump into a 2 week fast right off. Even then most would have
to build into it.

There used to be a health guru named Paul Bragg. He followed a plan where
he would fast one day a week and occasional 8-10 day fasts He also ate 2 meals
per day, so his one day was 36 hours instead of 24. He ate high raw mostly vegetarian
diet and like to exercise.
He lived to be 95 after a sickly youth. At 94 he almost drowned in the surf at Hawaii.

a reply to: UMayBRite!

It seems the benefits of fasting are more pronounced with age. Yes, a doctors approval would be a sensible thing, and some supervision perhaps, but age is no excuse for most people.

"We often meet with the objection that a patient is too old to fast. I have conducted a number of fasts in patients from seventy years to over eighty-five years of age and I have found no reason to consider aged persons to be in a class by themselves. Adult animals of any species, including Homo Sapiens, can fast much longer than the young of the same species. Old people actually stand fasting best. Growing children stand it least, although they stand it well. Patients do not get too old to fast. The regenerating effects of fasting are especially apparent in the old."

curezone.org...

a reply to: GaryN
Well I past the 4th day, am on to the 5th, I feel really good, it's kind of strange, as most of my pains are gone or going away.

What I'm doing is not a water fast, I'm using lemon juice with distilled water and black strap molasses. This is suppose to be what is called the "Master Cleanse" , I have the Paper work , I will post it for anyone interested in read it or keep a copy for future reference.

I still have no hunger pains, I guess I must be full. I do feel very good, I did notice a more severe old injury I have is acting up, but it's almost like it's trying to repair it self.

Also I'm 63 years old for what it's worth, yesterday I worked 13 hours the day before 14 hours, I got off at 6am this morning , my daughter ask me to baby sit till noon, then I had to go do a ceramic tile repair, then at 3pm went to help install some forms for concrete job I'm suppose to help pour at 7am tomorrow morning', now this evening I have to go back in on my regular job at 6pm and work till midnight. Like I say so far I feel better than I did and have more energy. I did sleep for about 4 hours while I was baby sitting, the kids are old enough.

I make a gallon jug of the lemon water, then you just sip on it threw out the day a gallon is just about right for me, maybe a few sips of water also.

Hey, Thanks! I will post that entire "Mater Cleanse" as soon as I have time.

a reply to: GaryN

Gary where did you go.

Well any how I'm on to my 9th day, that concrete job almost did me in, I barely made it to the end. That is to hard of work to be doing while on fast or cleanse, what ever. Lucky for me, I only do the concrete part time and so
far I have only had to work one day this week so far, on doing concrete placement.

The concrete job was Monday, I was dead Tuesday, they tried to call me in on my regular jo, but I was not able to answer the phone, so I was able to get out of going in on a relief.

I'm still not hungry and my stomach pains, have gone away, my calves have shrank down a lot, I guess that was water or some thing.

I got a little apprehensive a couple of times, wondering if I was going to kill myself or something, my Mother told me if I went on another one of these it would kill me. But she's the one that came up with the paper on it and the grape cure, although she never tried either one.

I'm going to keep going till I get hungry, that's what it says to do in the paper.

It seems like I am becoming a little more psychic than I was, as I seem to keep knowing things before they happen.

Yea, I did check my ketones and no ketone acidosis yet.

a reply to: OOOOOO

That's amazing that you did the concrete job with so little nutrition going in. So long as you keep your fluids up, it's probably not dangerous, and if your body ran out of energy, you just wouldn't be able to function, which is why you were beat the next day, your body needed recovery time. I'd prefer to be able to just take it easy during a fast, I don't mean doing nothing, but certainly not hard labor.
Mental changes I did notice on my fast, and fasting was used to help with mental clarity so as to better communicate with the Holy Spirit, but if you are becoming psychic, let me know if you 'see' any lottery numbers coming up!
So how much longer do you think you can keep going on your diet/fast?

a reply to: GaryN

Yea I was worried I would be a dragging arse and not be able to work, but really I seem to have good energy for not eating. I did help on concrete job today and am now putting in 11 hours on my easy job.One of the books I have read, it says, some people on fast go around acting like the are carrying the weight of the world on there backs, while on fast. The books also said you should not act this way, but be upbeat on everything, be happy. This is kind of the way I feel now, my energy is better now, even though I helped on small concrete job today, I'm good.

So I'm on day 10 now, I don't know when I will start to eat again, like it says in the paper I have is when you become hungry again is time to start eating, I'm not hungry yet. I have lost about 14 pounds so far, my blood pressure was 112/69, not bad for a 63 year old. I went to the Doctor today, I didn't mention what I was doing, and he didn't say anything about my best BP ever or my weight loss.

I do feel more in my prayers and meditations it seems, it's like I'm more at peace with everything. And I did pick the 4
digit Michigan two days in a row. Those were are like hunches, always bet the hunches,

Yea I'm down to 215, I was thinking I would be all weak and stuff, but I may go till I get down to 200 or 190, who says you have to do sit ups to get a six pack. I do kind of fantasize about food a little, but when I do start to eat again , I will start back on veg juice and fruit for a while.

Don't know if anyone has posted this:
www.telegraph.co.uk - Fasting for three days can regenerate entire immune system, study finds...

Fasting for as little as three days can regenerate the entire immune system, even in the elderly, scientists have found in a breakthrough described as "remarkable".

Although fasting diets have been criticised by nutritionists for being unhealthy, new research suggests starving the body kick-starts stem cells into producing new white blood cells, which fight off infection.

Scientists at the University of Southern California say the discovery could be particularly beneficial for people suffering from damaged immune systems, such as cancer patients on chemotherapy.

It could also help the elderly whose immune system becomes less effective as they age, making it harder for them to fight off even common diseases.
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During each cycle of fasting, this depletion of white blood cells induces changes that trigger stem cell-based regeneration of new immune system cells.

In trials humans were asked to regularly fast for between two and four days over a six-month period.

Scientists found that prolonged fasting also reduced the enzyme PKA, which is linked to ageing and a hormone which increases cancer risk and tumour growth.
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My opinion has always been there's some evidence calorie-restriction has benefits, but it was not foolproof. My opinion on fasting was it was dumb. However, if the referenced research in the above link is true, maybe my feelings were wrong. And a tangential thought came to me after learning about it that I want to share. What if evolution has geared us to NEED periods of time where food is unavailable? Is it possible our dna is aligned in such a way that we beneefit from rare periods of fasting? I doubt food was ALWAYS available in the past, as it's today, so that's my reasoning.

I veyr mcuh am against prolonged frequent fasting, though, unless evidence confirms it. Going against the grain only works if you're RIGHT.

a reply to: jonnywhite
Yea, I had just read that a 24 hour fast will boost your HGH levels 2000 %, I don't know if it's true but it kind of makes sense, as if you were lower on fuel it would help to maximize what you did have.

Plus your body would cannibalize, any weak or sick cells in the body, leaving the more healthy cells to reproduce.

I know I can't believe how well I feel, when I went 9 days back 40 years ago it was a lot harder for me, even though I was in better heath, younger.

As far as I know a person who is really Jewish, will fast 24 hours once a week, Sunset Friday. to Sunset Saturday.

Fasting definitely works

It's better to eat very little, a lot of food has roundup in it GM, is irradiated, comes in plastics, has hormones, bad packaging, antibiotics, is nutrition-less from the bad soil, has been sprayed with pesticides.

Sure don't eat much, have more money for what real food you can find when you do...

a reply to: GaryN

Well I'm still at it, today I feel great better then I have in years. I've lost about 18 pounds, so far. I did freak out a little the other day when I got up in the morning, that was day 10, I woke up and thought I have to eat something, then I thought I'm OK, no worry

Some of the people I know, are telling me I will do brain damage and mess up my stomach, but I'm ready to go and they can't even get out of bed from drinking to much booze.

The lemon juice keeps your electrolytes up, one thing I did start to think about, was salt. I'm going to get some of that Tibetan salt, it's suppose to be good for you.

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a reply to: OOOOOO
The research I posted only shows that extended fasts of about 3-5 days somehow help to rebuild immune cells that were lost during the fasting. This might help to reenergize an old immune system. HOWEVER, what this research doesn't say is that it's good persisting to fast even after you've exhausted any benefits relating to refreshing the immune system. So personally I'd have to tell you and others in this thread to please stop the silliness until there's more evidence. It's playing with your life...

And btw I know miners used to eat lemons to treat scurvy. They're high in phytonutrients and vitamin C. I eat em raw occasionally. Did you know dogs supposedly produce their own vitamin C, so don't need in their diet? As well, this is probably true for carnivores (dogs are more omnivorous) too because they, as far as I know, do not have the capacity to taste sugar. And seeing that fruit is loaded with natural sugars, it makes sense.

The person that started his thread, had stated they had gone on much longer than 3-5 day fast. I have done a 9 day with no ill effects, I would have went longer but did not want to only weigh 140 pounds. I started out at 230 this time so losing 30 pounds is no big deal, i have lost a much as 35 pounds, in 6 weeks before, just from busting arse.

I find nothing silly about this myself and as for more evidence, this has been being done for thousands of years. The Christ was suppose to of fasted for 40 days, I myself feel better right now than I have in 30 years, I almost feel like doing a back flip or hand stand, which I haven't done in at least 35 years. As for playing with my life, dude I'm 63 now, I have been a fruitarian most of my life, I am only passing threw this plane of existence. Death is no big deal to me, it is just part of living, I have made my peace with the Creator. Plus I am aware of many other things, that most are not, I'm not bragging but, when I go I intend on being completely aware.

Plus the way I see it, 3 to 5 days is nothing, after the accumulation of what ever in your body, for a life time, in most cases. It seems 3 days would do nothing, at this point it's my intention to clear my arteries, my lymph system and entire body of this useless accumulation, plus becoming wiser at the same time.

One other reason I'm doing this is when ever the SHTF, I will know exactly what I am capable of. This will give me a edge over those who are worried about where their next meal is coming from.

originally posted by: jonnywhite
a reply to: OOOOOO
The research I posted only shows that extended fasts of about 3-5 days somehow help to rebuild immune cells that were lost during the fasting. This might help to reenergize an old immune system. HOWEVER, what this research doesn't say is that it's good persisting to fast even after you've exhausted any benefits relating to refreshing the immune system. So personally I'd have to tell you and others in this thread to please stop the silliness until there's more evidence. It's playing with your life...

There are more benefits to extended fasting than simply immune system regeneration, for example accelerated healing, digestive system rest, cleansing and fighting psychological addictions to certain foods. I know that many folks are vehemently against fasting, but I've never seen anyone harm themselves when the proper precautions and procedures are followed. I personally have helped myself tremendously by fasting. The longest fast I've done was 2 weeks on water followed by 1 week on juice/broths. So basically 3 weeks without solid food. I normally don't go much past a week, but each situation is different. It's obviously not for everyone, and folks should always check with a doctor first, there are risks if you have certain pre existing conditions or take medication.

It's not silliness, it's just not well understood in the medical community, for a number of reasons. In a capitalistic society, it is counterproductive to business to be able to help heal/treat yourself for ailments, when there are drugs to be prescribed and medicine / fad diets to sell. The research simply isn't going to be done, as there is no tangible product, no capital. The same thing happened to Tesla. There is a lot of disinfo out there on this topic, coming from both sides. I personally see it like how big oil tries to suppress alternative energy. It's the same concept. That in itself certainly doesn't validate it, but it shows reason why there are hundreds upon hundreds of people that give it rave reviews, yet none that knowledge hits the mainstream, only the select few cases where it has gone wrong. I'd love to see a fair scientific study done on it, myself, as personal experience proves nothing, but I'm not counting on it.

Anyways the reason I came into this thread was because I was getting ready to start a fast. The big reason is pain in my jaw. I have some issues with my teeth that have caused my bite to get out whack. I have a crown that came loose, and when the dentist put it back in, he screwed it up and now it is the first tooth that hits my bottom jaw and it can't be redone without pulling the whole thing and putting in a bridge to another tooth, which I can't afford. As a result, it messed up the tooth right next to it, and the one directly beneath it. I have been chewing food on the other side of my mouth almost exclusively. Now that side of my mouth is getting sore and it seems to be getting worse. I feel that more than anything my jaw needs a break from chewing so that it can heal. Fasting should increase that healing substantially.

a reply to: GaryN

Well I stopped the fast after 15 days, now I wish I had gone longer, but all is well and good, for what it's worth. I felt better not eating, but I feel pretty good back eating also.

I think now, I will fast once a week 24 hr. then a extended fast every three months.

Hey GaryN, if you live in Michigan I can give you a winning lottery number, 3 digit, I have correctly picked this number 5 times in a row now. The only thing is most the time I can not say the order in which the numbers will come, so I do a $1.00 wheel bet, cost $6.00 to win $500.00. Even the skeptics believe me now. I want to predict the number on ATS. just to document it as fact. I just won $500.00 couple of days ago, I was going for ten grand, maybe next time.

a reply to: OOOOOO

Hey GaryN, if you live in Michigan I can give you a winning lottery number, 3 digit, I have correctly picked this number 5 times in a row now.

No, not in Michigan, in BC, Canada. I don't buy lottery tickets 'till the big prize is over $20 million, anything less is not worth bothering with.
Glad your fast worked out, well done going so long. I'm going to do another 3 day water fast during the winter, maybe try for 2 a year from now on. The ketosis effect probably lasted for a few days after that though, as I wasn't eating enough to turn it off for maybe another week or so.
I recently saw an article that said fasting could make you more susceptible to infections, and warning against it, but I'm suspicious that if it works as well as many people, including myself, claim, then perhaps the food and drug corporations are trying to dampen any interest in the idea before it becomes too popular. I wouldn't be surprised with so much possible loss of revenue to them if everyone was healthy and not eating junk.

a reply to: imagineering

Only drinking water for a whole 2 weeks can do massive damage to your digestive system in your lower regions, especially your bowel and colon.
Are you sure you didn't consume any salad or anything during your 2 week fast ?

Seem the OP have not been back for a long time but will still comment...

As said before me, 2 week fast is a little bit too long. Basically the wellness you experience is probably due to being put into a ketogenic metabolic mode after your glycogen store is depleted, about 2 days.

originally posted by: phishyblankwaters
reply to post by imagineering

 

If you aren't putting anything into your body but water, and you are still physically exerting yourself, you are breaking down muscle more than fat as muscle has more protein and that's what you would be requiring.

Each person is different, but I'd always avoid against this, you are doing damage that might not be immediately apparent.

You need more than water.

I know this is old post but I see many stars so I need to reply to stop spreading this myth or make this information more clear.

Yes body can consume muscle and proteins. BUT first it will consume all sugar in your body and little energy reserves before it starts consuming sugar. This are small reserves and this us done in less than minutes. After sugar it goes on carbs. Carbs are real energy to body and you can last day or more only by consuming carbs. After that it goes to consume fat and if you are really fat you can have reserves for more than few weeks. I believe all magic is done when body starts to consume fat since toxins are store in fat also. So by consuming fat body release toxins. Only after all fat is consumed body will eat muscle aka proteins but in the order that is less important, so your heart muscle will never be consumed. And some faster have cure cancer in this way, because body will eat damaged cells or cancer tumors that she don't need. But to get here is hard process since you must consume all your fat before and many people can get I'll in the process of consuming fat.