How Long Are "We The People" Going To Wait Before We Demand "TREASON" ... Starting at the VERY T

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I stopped reading as soon as the OP mentioned america is a socialist nation turning towards communism. That was the first or second paragraph and said to myself this person has a twisted agenda. Have fun in make-believe lala land.

Did you hear anything about the bilderbergers and where they meet this year? Are they communist as well, despite the fact they are all corporate executives or mega shareholders? You people need to learn the basic definition of terms before we are to take you seriously enough to read the rest of your post.

Yes I am frustrated as hell from all the disinfo. THAT is why I even bother posting in such threads. To show my frustration. America does not need any revolution that will make it go even more right than what it is already. No thank you, no way jose!

The Communism you think of doesn't exist. Communism is nothing more then neo feudalism. Notice how Communist's are obsessed with the destruction of the middle class? You would think Communist's would want to create a "middle class society", but instead they obsess over the destruction of the enemies of the "Noble Lords".

And if no one truly owns anything, then those with power own everything. And look at communist states and compare them to feudal societies. They have far more in common then one would think. Communism among the common populace, or rather those in the common populace who support communism, are nothing more then the descendants of those who enjoyed being a serf.

Originally posted by Ex_CT2
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

I think the answer is pretty simple. The Corporatists/Globalists stole our government away from We The People while we were being lulled into complacency. It was a gigantic con job, and a good one.

Now the Corporatists/Globalists, through our own government, run us. They run Us. We are no longer in control, and our opinion of what constitutes treason is itself treasonous.

When someone hits upon a way to take it back--I'll be expecting their call....

Complacency...that's the word I wanted to use... 100% correct and I believe you are exactly dead on... basically we are f*cked

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FEMA camp for my protection..,,,why dont they just turn all the FEMA camps into free soup kitchens,,?
people want too go,, they can go,,
free too leave as well,,, that is.
just a thought,,hey .,,at least they would be feading people,, and they can chat ,, in real life

Originally posted by GD21D
Good post. Unfortunately, the list of treasonous individuals is far too long for a simple fix. You would have to throw just about everyone out. The state of things are too entrenched, it's citizens too indoctrinated. The only way the people would stand up is if they were starving in the streets. As long as they're fed, they'll go with the status quo, no matter where it leads.People are too stupid to think for themselves. Too stupid to realize they're being robbed from every angle. Too uneducated to realize they have no rights any more, only privileges. Too uninformed to see that voting is a complete sham.

Unfortunately... you're right here on all accounts. It pisses me off .... everything is a sham... nothing is what is appears to be. I mean look up the French Treaty... that alone leads you down a path that is eye opening and makes you question everything. I wonder how many people ever asked about the Washington Monument and why it's an obilesk... a tribute to the Sun God Omen but the vowels were interchangeable... Amen... lol.

I wish someone would get into office and clean house and personally take an oath to provide the truth to everything. I think 1 was going to have full disclosure at one point but he never got the chance...

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I stopped reading as soon as the OP mentioned america is a socialist nation turning towards communism. That was the first or second paragraph and said to myself this person has a twisted agenda. Have fun in make-believe lala land.

Did you hear anything about the bilderbergers and where they meet this year? Are they communist as well, despite the fact they are all corporate executives or mega shareholders? You people need to learn the basic definition of terms before we are to take you seriously enough to read the rest of your post.

Yes I am frustrated as hell from all the disinfo. THAT is why I even bother posting in such threads. To show my frustration. America does not need any revolution that will make it go even more right than what it is already. No thank you, no way jose!

So you believe that I posted misinformation? Really??? Your frustration shows your lack of knowledge on the subjects listed and I suggest you research what I wrote and see the information for yourself.

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by tw0330
Good luck brother, I'm with you, but be ready for a barrage of trolls.

Like many before you, this will get high jacked and will fall into the abyss because few will fight anymore.

I have to hand it to the trolls though, they are getting good at making subjects like this just disappear.


As for what you said. Right on!

I know.... and that's okay. The trolls are gonna flock as they always do...but f*ck em...they can say what they want but the facts are there for people to research and see with their own eyes. Even if someone, one person looks further into some of these things then it did it's job. I think education is what needs to happen to wake up the people. But wtf do I know... according to one guy, nothing since he stopped reading that this country is really NOT heading towards becoming a socialist run country and damn near communist. I must be losing my mind with thinking that we are heading in a government run country that has their hand in everything we do. It'll never happen......shaking my head with disgust...lol

Except(and it is enormous) government bails out business and not the people. That never happens in socialist countries. Also if they were socialist they would not be siding with israel. They would have nationalised nearly everything by now, that did NOT happen either. No tariffs, jobs being outsourced, illegal immigration.

You gotta be kidding me or severly ignorant. I am not sure which!

Lots of government regulation(which is a big problem I will agree here) shows state capitalism which mussolini warned about with his fascist regime. No one listened cause he lost the war, then disinfo agents take his words out of context to show something that is not present in america. STATE CAPITALISM which is the highest evolved form of capitalism. The government itself is in the business of creating profit for itself and corporate buddies.

Clearly people will comprehend this if they do not have a right wing agenda....even with decades of brainwashing. I know and feel sorry for all the vets taken advantage of in the middle east, korea, vietnam, cold war, etc. They are victims which need everyone's compassion.

Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

It really comes down to this. Are you prepared for war? Are you prepared for armed conflict in your neighborhood streets? Where red states or blue states become enemy territory?

There is zero chance the powers that have worked so hard for the last 100 years to build their empire are letting it go without a fight...

If your talking about the kind of radical change I think you are.

edit on 12-6-2012 by KnawLick because: (no reason given)

I agree with you and I believe that people won't wake up until they see soldiers in the streets and people being beaten or killed for opposing the Government. At that point, I think there's a better than good chance that we will have to fight for what we believe in and yes, I'm prepared to fight the fight. I will not be shipped away to a FEMA camp.

Originally posted by mrgregbusybee

Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

It really comes down to this. Are you prepared for war? Are you prepared for armed conflict in your neighborhood streets? Where red states or blue states become enemy territory?

There is zero chance the powers that have worked so hard for the last 100 years to build their empire are letting it go without a fight...

If your talking about the kind of radical change I think you are.

edit on 12-6-2012 by KnawLick because: (no reason given)

I agree with you and I believe that people won't wake up until they see soldiers in the streets and people being beaten or killed for opposing the Government. At that point, I think there's a better than good chance that we will have to fight for what we believe in and yes, I'm prepared to fight the fight. I will not be shipped away to a FEMA camp.

FEMA camp for my protection..,,,why dont they just turn all the FEMA camps into free soup kitchens,,?
people want too go,, they can go,,
free too leave as well,,, that is.
just a thought,,hey .,,at least they would be feading people,, and they can chat ,, in real life

Most of America is too busy watching crap TV shows or sports to be bothered. Unless and until their cable is interrupted or their daily life is threatened in some way, don't expect any response to anything. They will sit and grumble, but that's about it. "Somebody needs to do something" is the battle cry. But many just don't want to be that "Somebody".

Originally posted by Apollo7
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

Our news here in America does not tell us everything!! I look everywhere just trying to find news that is covering what is going on in the world. I usually watch CNN but I am getting sick of them repeating the same news over and over again. I dont like Fox news. I have checked out BBC and its ok. My point- We Americans Do Care!! We cant keep up with what our own Government is doing! Personally, all I get to do is Work and Sleep. This is my first computer and my link to the outside world. We Americans do Care about other humans!! Sometimes we just dont know what to do about something! We are not Rich here in this country!! We worry about food, clothing and shelter like everyone!

Well, that sentence in itself is exactly why our Government is able to maneuver and manipulate so easily... we have very little time but to work, eat, sleep...maybe spend a couple hours with family if they are on the same schedule....etc. I'm with you. But this is what is being keyed on. We the people are complacent in our daily routines and lives...trying to make enough $...make it to the ball games...buy the kids spikes for football... grocery shop. Many don't care as long as that paycheck keeps coming ....

The other key to your statement is the news. You are in-fact correct, news is horrible. The news are controlled by the government. Just recently Carney , White House spokesman said that the President ordered a gag on the media. How often do you think this happens? More frequently than we probably want to know... That's what I was pointing out earlier... to educate ourselves we have to read and investigate what is fact and fiction and follow up on the sources of information we have chosen to believe. It's a big nutshell game!

Hopefully more people will care and attempt to educate

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
I stopped reading as soon as the OP mentioned america is a socialist nation turning towards communism. That was the first or second paragraph and said to myself this person has a twisted agenda. Have fun in make-believe lala land.

Did you hear anything about the bilderbergers and where they meet this year? Are they communist as well, despite the fact they are all corporate executives or mega shareholders? You people need to learn the basic definition of terms before we are to take you seriously enough to read the rest of your post.

Yes I am frustrated as hell from all the disinfo. THAT is why I even bother posting in such threads. To show my frustration. America does not need any revolution that will make it go even more right than what it is already. No thank you, no way jose!

The Communism you think of doesn't exist. Communism is nothing more then neo feudalism. Notice how Communist's are obsessed with the destruction of the middle class? You would think Communist's would want to create a "middle class society", but instead they obsess over the destruction of the enemies of the "Noble Lords".

And if no one truly owns anything, then those with power own everything. And look at communist states and compare them to feudal societies. They have far more in common then one would think. Communism among the common populace, or rather those in the common populace who support communism, are nothing more then the descendants of those who enjoyed being a serf.

Well in all honesty I have never lived in a communist regime but I have spoken to people from the ex-warsaw pact nations of poland, romania, albania, yugoslavia, moldovia, and none spoke of these horrific living conditions americans fear almost as bad as the devil itself. Some folks even go as far as to say they had MORE with communism(despite the lack of freedom) than after the berlin wall collapsed and they became supposedly free. Yeah free to be under mafia jurisdiction and the highest international investors whim.

Regardless I am not advocating for communism because it is a totatalitarian system just as bad as capitalism/state capitalism. We need a mixed economy, a smaller more efficient government, much more honesty, a public treasury, less wars, more space travel, more pride. I think you get my idea. I like social democracy. Republicanism has failed the world over!

Originally posted by BobAthome
reply to post by mrgregbusybee

 

FEMA camp for my protection..,,,why dont they just turn all the FEMA camps into free soup kitchens,,?
people want too go,, they can go,,
free too leave as well,,, that is.
just a thought,,hey .,,at least they would be feading people,, and they can chat ,,

in real life

Hmmm.... I think I understand you as being a caring and loving person that wants peace and harmony to all. Which sounds really good but will never happen. It's not what people do, not since we started recording historical events but it sounds great and it's something to strive for.

On a different level with what you said... I agree and really wish that the United States would take care of our people and help our homeless, our starving... our poor before sending billions in aid to other countries..... Maybe that's heartless and mean... but if we wanted to be a country to be looked up to and a country to be replicated... we should set a good example and it starts by looking in the mirror so to speak!

Originally posted by DAVID64
Most of America is too busy watching crap TV shows or sports to be bothered. Unless and until their cable is interrupted or their daily life is threatened in some way, don't expect any response to anything. They will sit and grumble, but that's about it. "Somebody needs to do something" is the battle cry. But many just don't want to be that "Somebody".

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ding ding ding...what do we have here..... a WINNER!! you're exactly right too! There's been a couple dead on responses...

If the facts behind 9/11 are not enough to kick off some treason trials then I do not know what is. As for who is going to lead it, with untold media manipulation and mounting voter fraud behind the current run of elections, Ron Paul does make a great candidate with a strong legal case.

*grin*

I've always wounder what would happen if small, independent groups stared meeting in towns by renting empty spaces to educate the masses or be available to talk about the constitution of the United States of America.......for and to the Republic .. openly..

cuz' that way .. if the people that go to these meetings are arrested.............the police that are arresting them will be noted as those that no longer care for their country and the 'duty' is more important than freedom.

hopefully. the towns where these meetings are being held at .......will/SHOULD know it immediately.. and will be recorded and broadcast to the world

Originally posted by kwakakev
If the facts behind 9/11 are not enough to kick off some treason trials then I do not know what is. As for who is going to lead it, with untold media manipulation and mounting voter fraud behind the current run of elections, Ron Paul does make a great candidate with a strong legal case.

It's not just 9/11, or voter fraud. That's the tip of the iceberg.You have the continuous effort to push for more conflict in other countries(Iran, Syria, NK) regardless of what the people want. You have the ever rising debt, with no sign of letting up. You have Fast&Furious. Whatever the intentions behind the scenes, it's dirty. The ramming of national health care down our throats. The signing of legislation limiting peoples rights (NDAA, Patriot Act, H.R.347, Ect) You have MSM intentionally editing footage (Zimmerman) for what cause? That's what we know media outlets have done. What about what we don't know? Where are they getting instruction to do these things? You have the FBI setting people up on fake bomb plots over and over again. The more you educate yourself, the more you pay attention, the more you start to see lies everywhere. EDIT: This was a poorly put together post, my apologies to the community.

Relax, the bullets will start flying soon enough, its not something to look forward too. when they decide to start wasting people - we will have no choice other than self defense - In my opinion they have already broken the contract with the American People. when they start doing stuff like the Nazi did - like Moa did - like Pol Pot did - like Stalen did.... there is no place to move to or to go - so relax enjoy life while you have it to enjoy. you know they will come so makem pay if and when they do.
Every Generation Has Fought For Their Freedom - and won, Guess What They Are Back, and this time they have space based weapons....

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I know it is a horrific mess with a long history, when getting deep things like the Monarch Project start to pop up and the description of the culture that is forming is one strong on the dark side. The links through out the banking, media, commerce, legal, war, government and many other corporate industries is high. With some of the stories going around links to extraterrestrial and esoteric forces cannot be discounted, I cannot prove or disprove it but it is one possibly to be aware of when lifting up the rug.

When confronted with what looks like an insurmountable challenge, start small. The 9/11 case is the strongest one with a lot and still growing international support behind it. The ongoing petitions and case building to the ICC for the bush torture policy is even a closer step to get a strong grip on this situation and unravel the whole messy situation.

I stopped taking your O.P seriously when you mentioned "Barry". I thought this thread had potential, but turns out it's just another typical ATS "Obama and the Socialist are coming to get us" type of thread.

We need progressive change, I believe America is screaming for a progressive movement, but the Right have this country by the neck, everyone knows the GOP's true agenda..and that's to get every cent out of your pocket and give it to the top 1%.

I will admit, I am in a way disappointed by Obama and I think we need a progressive leader that is not afraid to stand up to the tea partiers and neo-cons in congress and in the media that use guns and flag waiving to brainwash Americans.

I wish Elizabeth Warren was running for POTUS

Let's clarify a few things here. There is nothing wrong with socialism, particularly when the
"market economy" is as distorted as it is in the US currently. A period of socialism might be just what the doctor ordered. Even certain segments could be socialized. There is far too much out of balance there and it prevents people from pursuing their dreams.

But your assertion that socialism leads to communism is exactly as correct as saying that pot smoking leads to heroin addiction. It does not do any such thing so keep your hat on. In any case you're naming entirely wrong political philosophies. What you have there in the US right now (thanks to GWBush and friends) is totalitarianism. You are being controlled by terror. You can no longer think for yourselves because the propaganda - that also lead to so many people joining the military - has made you into highly malleable creatures.

If you really want to get deeper into this stuff, there are some books that will help. "The Origins of Totalitarianism" by Hanna Arendt, "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, and of course "1984" by George Orwell. I include the latter simply because when you read it, you might recognize a few features there if you aren't too deeply in denial.

I read all of these way back in the late 70s when I was in junior high school and within a few years I was aware of what was coming. I foresaw all of this by the early-mid 80s and I left in the mid 80s.

Now obviously you can't all leave, but you could have seen this coming. There are lots of other books too in the same line >> "The Handmaid's Tale", "Brave New World".... ah, I just can't recall them all right now, but if any of you were paying attention in your English classes in school, I feel sure you've read a few of these if not all of them.

And while you all are trying so desperately to hold onto your concept of democracy, understand that you haven't had that for longer than any of you have been alive. It looks a lot like a totalitarian democracy, but even that is fading fast.

If you want to crumble government, you're going to have to take extremely peaceful and actively passive measures. Any attempt to rise up is going to be crushed. You encourage that every time you allow any official or law officer to disrespect you as citizens and even residents. What you must do, and this I've advocated here for some years, is to work only to sustain yourselves. Starve them of the income they squeeze from you by force every time you're paid or purchase anything. Don't buy stuff. Buy as little as you can. Permanently stop all magazine subscriptions, cable subscriptions, gym subscriptions, all the other crap you subscribe to - drop it forever. Do not go to see films. Do not listen to music *at all* for a month. Then make it two. You have to detox yourselves of all the ways they have their claws in you. Don't go to trendy anything. Stay at home and talk to your family and your neighbors. Build community. It won't take long for the claws to loosen their grip. And don't think government won't notice. They will. But what can they do? You have taken back your power. You granted it to them through apathy and let them take your future. Take it back.