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ice crystals and particles
Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by eriktheawful
I already agree that the affect, in the main is from something close up, and diaphanous in nature, but in STS75 there is a lot going on, probably inside all the mechanical gubbins, but also outside as well. The definite 'black spot' I mentioned earlier is seen in front of the object disc, and so has to be closer that the object disc, and not diaphanous. I post this link that shows the black spot, (it need not be moving) and other features. The music is nice, but turn it down,
www.youtube.com...
Not seeing the black spot...can you give a time and where to see it?
Also what cases the pulsating?
What band is that in your profile pic?
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by eriktheawful
ice crystals and particles
So you are going with Ice crystals base? Ok. And it's normal that they all be same shape...only different sizes? Circular with a notch on a same side? I thought ice crystals tumble through space? do they faze (sorry...pulsate) in / out without turning ?
So you do not support the bokeh explanation?
ps. I would very much appreciate your attempt to replicate.edit on 13-6-2012 by MarioOnTheFly because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by eriktheawful
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by eriktheawful
ice crystals and particles
So you are going with Ice crystals base? Ok. And it's normal that they all be same shape...only different sizes? Circular with a notch on a same side? I thought ice crystals tumble through space? do they faze (sorry...pulsate) in / out without turning ?
So you do not support the bokeh explanation?
ps. I would very much appreciate your attempt to replicate.edit on 13-6-2012 by MarioOnTheFly because: (no reason given)
Okay, your post here shows me that you still do not understand the out of focus aberrations. They all look like circles because they are way too close to the telescope's focal length. Their shape or if they are tumbling or not will not matter because they are so out of focus, and yes, in effect "bokeh" is a good example of things being so out of focus they appear circular.
Some will have the center blockage, some will not depending upon their distance from the primary mirror of the telescope.
Bokeh is a good example of things being so out of focus in some cases that their shape doesn't matter. Couple that with Catadioptric System and you get a pretty good example of what is going on.
Again, I'll try to replicate it, but I'll need a clear night to do it (no rain). Or, anyone else on here can try.
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by eriktheawful
So just to understand where you stand on this:
you're saying it's ice crystals floating around, that are so out of focus they appear circular and notched ?
Am I correct?
I just wanna be clear as to not presume something you didn't say...
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by eriktheawful
So just to understand where you stand on this:
you're saying it's ice crystals floating around, that are so out of focus they appear circular and notched ?
Am I correct?
I just wanna be clear as to not presume something you didn't say...
Originally posted by eriktheawful
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by eriktheawful
So just to understand where you stand on this:
you're saying it's ice crystals floating around, that are so out of focus they appear circular and notched ?
Am I correct?
I just wanna be clear as to not presume something you didn't say...
Yes, Ice crystals, particulates, etc. In the STS-75 video.
Originally posted by eriktheawful
reply to post by smurfy
Considering how zoomed in the video is at that point, it could literally be nothing more than a speck of dust on the eye piece, etc.
What I think you'll find even more interesting is how this one looks from 5:05 to 5:09. It's starts to loose it's round shape, as it leaves the FOV. This "squishing" that photographed objects get when they get to the edge of the screen.
Originally posted by hakalugie4u
it Came From Uranus . when under a lot of pressure seems to send out brain fart chem waves . .
causing humans to grab cameras and video tape things they beleave are beyond explanation.
but little do we know of the ULFR (unidentfiied Lens Flare Craft ) where dose it come from .Why are they here ....in my camera ...and Do they have us under sum kind of mindcontrol?...WE need Answer ....
Originally posted by JimOberg
STS-75 'Notched Disk' UFO seen orbiting Moon
Originally posted by easynow
Here's the video stabilized by LunaCognita ....
UFO above Moon - Stabilized at 100 and 400 percent playback
The enhancement may not reveal much but it does show us how shaky the video really is
Originally posted by Jay-morris
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
reply to post by eriktheawful
So just to understand where you stand on this:
you're saying it's ice crystals floating around, that are so out of focus they appear circular and notched ?
Am I correct?
I just wanna be clear as to not presume something you didn't say...
Why dont you listen!?
I, and others showed you how this footage has been replicated.
But you still dont listen Have you seen the examples of people
who have taken photos of an out of focus object, that look exactly
the same as the tether objects. Are these photos huge ufos too?
Also, like i said to you in another post. If these are huge disc shaped
objects, why do we see them from the same angle? If disc shaped
ufos appeared over say london, they would look different, depending
the angle you are viewing them from. The same applies to the tether
footge,but we see them from the same angle.
First people said you can clearly see the objects go behind the
tether. This has been proven to be an illusion, as a few people
have replicated the footage. Then we have disc shaped objects
that look exactly the same as an out of focus object close to
the camera, notches and all.
But people like you will refuse to change your mind. While ufo
believers like me just want to know what these ufos are, and will
admit if we are wrong. Hardcore believers like you just cant do that.
You might think you are doing a service to this subject, but hardcore
believers and debunkers make the subject a joke!edit on 13-6-2012 by Jay-morris because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
If you guys are right...NASA or anybody...should be able to reproduce this at will. Since it's
"obviously" ice particles, zoomed in greatly and out of focus...
Jim Oberg will tell you that you can often see Ice particles from space shuttle missions, they are flying around. So why not do it now...? Take out your scopes, point them to the ISS, I'm sure there are ice particles out there. Zoom in at it and show me...notched circular donuts...flying at different speeds, sizes and directions. Please, don't show me videos where one guy reproduces one donut with a fishing line. That's not proof. That's a prepared demonstration with the help of additional tools. Not actually the same. Take a scope, point it to space and do it.
This isn't some exotic animal, it's ice crystals. They are often around our equipment up there apparently. There should be no problem reproducing this, since we know "everything" about how this effect happens.
If you can't reproduce something as "mundane" as this...than you have no case. You can reproduce many parts of the tether incident, but you can't reproduce all the effects together.
Originally posted by MarioOnTheFly
Jim Oberg will tell you that you can often see Ice particles from space shuttle missions, they are flying around. So why not do it now...? Take out your scopes, point them to the ISS, I'm sure there are ice particles out there. Zoom in at it and show me...notched circular donuts...flying at different speeds, sizes and directions. Please, don't show me videos where one guy reproduces one donut with a fishing line. That's not proof. That's a prepared demonstration with the help of additional tools. Not actually the same. Take a scope, point it to space and do it.
This isn't some exotic animal, it's ice crystals. They are often around our equipment up there apparently. There should be no problem reproducing this, since we know "everything" about how this effect happens.
If you can't reproduce something as "mundane" as this...than you have no case. You can reproduce many parts of the tether incident, but you can't reproduce all the effects together. .....
Difference between you and me is that you will take any authorities word on it, and call it case closed, even though it's far from really proven.