Study predicts imminent irreversible planetary collapse

Parasites live within and use their host to live and flourish but eventually, if the parasites are not taken care of, the host's health will suffer or they will die. They do not have the intelligence to understand that if they keep reproducing and using up the host's resources, they will eventually perish if they do not find a new host.

Humans are but a parasite on Earth but we are intelligent enough to change our fate. Earth and her resources are finite and we just keep using them up as if they'll go on forever.

I do not believe in man-made global warming. I do believe that we need to find a way to treat our host better or we'll just be killing ourselves in the end.

Originally posted by Daemonicon
Well, wouldn't lowering the overall population be a good thing? If not lowering it, decreasing the current rate of growth?

I am NOT suggesting the rounding up and killing of people, whether by random, or by targeting certain 'groups'.

I AM suggesting however that people need to think more about the decision to have children. Yes, accidents happen, and I am not suggesting forced abortions, or anything of the sort. I also don't agree with a federally mandated "X child per household" rule either.

So, I guess I don't really have an actual game plan, but to me, it is obvious that our current path will lead to our destruction, that is, if Mother Nature doesn't have other plans in mind,

Exactly how I feel....

my solutions on that:

Abortion should be legalized--- no need for more kids in the world who are abandoned/unloved/unwanted/uncared for... My spirit tells me it'd rather be aborted than be born in such a state, to give it a chance to occupy another vessel (not to get too weird about it lol). I hate to be the person to say this, but DNA testing in the womb is crucial at this day and age, since there are soooo many factors that contribute to mutations, we don't know how half of them are caused... But you cannot deny the number of people with mental and physical handicaps have gone up.. Sure, maybe because the population has grown, the number would grow.. BUT with radiation, monsanto, etc, there is no telling how things will be in a few years....

Legalize Gay Marriage and stop the prejudice against same sex couples adopting... All of these unwanted children in the world already, let them be adopted!!! Thousands and thousands of couples are wanting children and are being rejected---- WHY? They have the means to care and make sure that child will live a good life, but no their sexual orientation is "immoral"... Gay people are much more moral than straight IMO, not religious hypocrites to say the least.

And finally, there must be a tax or SOMETHING when there are +4 children... I am sorry, but if 4 children cannot fulfill whatever void you are trying to fill, there is something wrong..... and you should adopt rather than make a woman go through that again!!!! 2 Kids is an even balance to population growth, anything more is contributing. One child with a couple is ideal, since that would decrease descendants after a few generations of that.

Just my thoughts.... little salty this morning. Depopulation should not be a cruel and damning concept, it needs education and acceptance...

But nothing will be done humanely as long as we have our One-and-only-God-Fearing religions.

It is either we invent free energy for all and sort out all the bad things happening to the planet by using technology or we have to say ok "One child per 2 people" for a couple of generations or I fear if we do not do that THEY will de populate the earth by other means.

I hate to say it but if I was King of the world today I would start thinking of how we can get rid of a few billion after all we have to put the planet first and us second.

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
Parasites live within and use their host to live and flourish but eventually, if the parasites are not taken care of, the host's health will suffer or they will die. They do not have the intelligence to understand that if they keep reproducing and using up the host's resources, they will eventually perish if they do not find a new host.

Humans are but a parasite on Earth but we are intelligent enough to change our fate. Earth and her resources are finite and we just keep using them up as if they'll go on forever.

I do not believe in man-made global warming. I do believe that we need to find a way to treat our host better or we'll just be killing ourselves in the end.

WHO convinced you that man is a parasite on this planet? It's this very thinking that is behind any idea of a population cull. Do you realise that channeled "entities" espouse this hogwash, and that they tell their adherents "Don't worry, those that got to go will be ok?" This very meme is at the heart of ever new age religion from UFO to extreme environmentalism, and all of them started in the good old drug induced early 60s. Do you think it's any coincidence that the Whore of Babylon leads astray the nations through "pharmakea", the use of drugs in spiritual pursuits? Why would Jesus give us that message? Because it HAPPENS.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
It is either we invent free energy for all and sort out all the bad things happening to the planet by using technology or we have to say ok "One child per 2 people" for a couple of generations or I fear if we do not do that THEY will de populate the earth by other means.

I hate to say it but if I was King of the world today I would start thinking of how we can get rid of a few billion after all we have to put the planet first and us second.

Now I can see why Jesus told us that if He didn't cut short the End of the Age there'd be NO FLESH LEFT.
Yes, I'd say that many hearts are full of evil after having accepted evil as "good".

Here's a link to the full study in PDF format.

Study Link

reply to post by Bilk22


Thanks for that. In the meantime I had e-mailed one of the authors, Mr. Mooer about funding. His reply:

The University of California (Berkeley) funded the review as part of a new initiative of theirs on studying the impacts of global climate change on biodiversity and humanity.

But - that information can also be found at the end of the PDF.

So thanks for that!

reply to post by WhoKnows100


Do you think we can just keep sucking out all the oil, polluting all the air, water and food, chopping down all the trees and mining all the metals and minerals without consequence?

I don't want the population to be culled. I want the population to stop being selfish and think of the future of our planet.

newscenter.berkeley.edu...




Berkeley Initiative in Global Change Biology

Now who funds this?

funding partners

W.M. Keck Foundation (January 2012)
$1,499,695

Informatics Engine for Understanding Biotic Response to Global Change

The W. M. Keck Foundation was established in 1954 in Los Angeles by William Myron Keck, founder of The Superior Oil Company. This Foundation is one of the nation's largest philanthropic organizations, with assets of more than $1 billion. Their Science and Engineering Research Program seeks to benefit humanity by supporting projects that are distinctive and novel in their approach, question the prevailing paradigm, or have the potential to break open new territory in their field. For more information, visit www.wmkeck.org.

With the support of the W.M. Keck Foundation we will build an informatics infrastructure that will enable the integration of the wealth of data on campus and at our field stations necessary for developing the next generation of predictive models for global change biology, models that will incorporate biotic-climate and within-biota feedbacks.

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Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation (September 2011)
$2,499,234

The Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation, established in 2000, seeks to advance environmental conservation and cutting-edge scientific research around the world and improve the quality of life in the San Francisco Bay Area. For more information, visit www.moore.org.

This Grant is in support of catalyzing the startup of the Berkeley Initiative for Global Change Biology by supporting seven integrated research projects focused on global change forecasting for California ecosystems.

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Office of the Vice Chancellor for Research
University of California, Berkeley (November 2009)
$300,000

This seed funding supports the current BiGCB infrastructure and coordination, and enables continued collaboration and cross-fertilization of researchers across different disciplines at UC Berkeley.

The Chinese are finding out the hard that a one child family is bad, the child is spoiled rotton, grows up expecting every handed to it on a plate, and contributes nothing, the minimum has to be two children..

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
I don't want the population to be culled. I want the population to stop being selfish and think of the future of our planet.

The planet wants you to stop thinking for the planet. The laws of physics developed planet Earth and the laws of physics govern planet Earth.

There's a natural balance in all ecosystems. When there's not enough food or resources, the population will decline naturally, and then when the resources begin accumulating again, the population will rise accordingly. Eventually, this analysis of limitation drives the desire to expand the abundance of resources, whether it be through advancement of terrestrial-technology [which is the whole point of technology in the first place] or extraterrestrial-technology.

The article even acknowledges this point:

Once that tipping point was reached, the most extreme biological changes leading to our current state occurred within only 1,000 years

However, i'm going to wait until I get the full paper to analytically critique it. My initial opinion though is that the study is made up of climatology or biology specialists operating in a vacuum without regard to thermodynamics or geophysics.

reply to post by pikestaff


I take it you are not an only child, then?

Funny... myself and my two best friends growing up are all only children and we each have great careers. We worked hard in school, were respectful of our elders and thankful for our parents and their teachings, and didn't expect anything to ever be handed to us.

Next theory?

Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
I don't want the population to be culled. I want the population to stop being selfish and think of the future of our planet.

The planet wants you to stop thinking for the planet. The laws of physics developed planet Earth and the laws of physics govern planet Earth.

There's a natural balance in all ecosystems. When there's not enough food or resources, the population will decline naturally, and then when the resources begin accumulating again, the population will rise accordingly. Eventually, this analysis of limitation drives the desire to expand the abundance of resources, whether it be through advancement of terrestrial-technology [which is the whole point of technology in the first place] or extraterrestrial-technology.

The article even acknowledges this point:

Once that tipping point was reached, the most extreme biological changes leading to our current state occurred within only 1,000 years

However, i'm going to wait until I get the full paper to analytically critique it. My initial opinion though is that the study is made up of climatology or biology specialists operating in a vacuum without regard to thermodynamics or geophysics.

Yes... there is a natural balance but we have disrupted it. However, as revealed in Genesis, man has lived outside the bounds of natural laws and is doomed to extinction.

From this link above:

Co-author Elizabeth Hadly from Stanford University said “we may already be past these tipping points in particular regions of the world. I just returned from a trip to the high Himalayas in Nepal, where I witnessed families fighting each other with machetes for wood – wood that they would burn to cook their food in one evening. In places where governments are lacking basic infrastructure, people fend for themselves, and biodiversity suffers. We desperately need global leadership for planet Earth.

Okay so, in their own words, they are calling for a global leadership to reduce population and force lower standards of living to protect the planet.

That's environmental fascism.

I'm all for protecting the planet but it's scary to think a centralized power would determine access to resources, etc. Who makes up this global authority? What criteria will they use to allocate resources?

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by imherejusttoread

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused
I don't want the population to be culled. I want the population to stop being selfish and think of the future of our planet.

The planet wants you to stop thinking for the planet. The laws of physics developed planet Earth and the laws of physics govern planet Earth.

There's a natural balance in all ecosystems. When there's not enough food or resources, the population will decline naturally, and then when the resources begin accumulating again, the population will rise accordingly. Eventually, this analysis of limitation drives the desire to expand the abundance of resources, whether it be through advancement of terrestrial-technology [which is the whole point of technology in the first place] or extraterrestrial-technology.

The article even acknowledges this point:

Once that tipping point was reached, the most extreme biological changes leading to our current state occurred within only 1,000 years

However, i'm going to wait until I get the full paper to analytically critique it. My initial opinion though is that the study is made up of climatology or biology specialists operating in a vacuum without regard to thermodynamics or geophysics.

Yes... there is a natural balance but we have disrupted it. However, as revealed in Genesis, man has lived outside the bounds of natural laws and is doomed to extinction.

Just out of curiosity, what 'natural laws' are humans living outside of? Pretty sure our entire being is dependent on these natural laws. To suggest otherwise, I think, is to claim we are not natural.

Just want to make sure I am understanding your point, and not working on a misapprehension.

Thanks.

i think we're screwed and too many people (especially in the U.S.) don't see it that way. oh well. not much we can do about it now. we hit the top of the rollercoaster and now we're headed straight down. all you can do is hold on tight. i really don't think we have the ability to stop this ride. it's way too late.

I liken this theory to your body. Junk in, junk out.

And we know how much junk we have put into mother earth.

reply to post by kosmicjack


It's clear that if the time comes to make the choice to cull crowds or control population that some part of the population will hav to be the target of the actions. Part of why people don't like the idea of such actions comes from the fact that they know they may very well be in the crowd that's set to be the solution. Part of life is our determination to take whatever action results in self preservation. It's why animals attempt to run away from humans and escape snares.

With humans in charge of depopulation we would see those in power preserving themselves. It's only natural to assume they would do such a thing. There are a couple of reasons why it's safe to assume that; first off, they're in only power because they desired control. Second, they would exercise the control they have to ensure the steps are taken to maintain the control. Third, as I've already said we have a tendency to want to thrive; leaders are no different, they share the same drive.

It's quite a challenging thing to consider, "what if I am the one they're getting rid of?"
In fact, I'm sure that's the first thing that most of us wonder when we begin talking about depopulation. That thought is most likely the single biggest reason behind the dislike of even considering such an action. Of course, there are those who would go ahead and believe that they're exempt and that it wouldn't be them being culled. They might be okay with such drastic measures for a while. But, eventually when you get down to the grit of the situation you begin to realize something. Everyone out there is just a person like us, they've all got their own story. It's not until the empathetic reaction kicks in that we realize such an action as mass depopulation would be a bad idea.

Consider a moment what that would do to us as a civilization. We would be making the biggest mistake of all time. It would be the most selfish move anyone could ever consider. Those people who are left after they kill off say, 70% of the population would be left here with a pretty heavy burden. I could hardly live with the thought that I had killed so many people just so I could live a few more years on an already doomed planet. It begs the question, would such an action really be worth it? Could we sacrifice our humanity just for a few more years of struggle and hopelessness? I believe some people could, but to be honest; I don't think I'd want to make it through that.

reply to post by Mapkar


I agree with you the generation who did the culling would have to carry the guilt of living but they would have to teach the next generations on why we had to do it and for it to never happen again.
Whats worse us killing 70% of humanity for the good of the planet or not doing anything and killing off 70% of the life on earth and destroying the world for future generations.
Heck I hope it doesn't come to it and we use technology to solve all our problems.

reply to post by Daemonicon


Name one other creature that activley seeks to eliminate all competition for food supplies.

Name one other creature who has the abilty to wipe out the entire population of life on this planet and then tell me we are not in violation of the natural laws.

We violate the natural laws of selection, survival of the fittest... we disrupt the natural ebb and flow of the seasons and migrations of life. We declare war on anything and everything which competes for our sustenance. We erradicate those creatures who threaten our food supplies.

...that is the real lesson of Genesis. When man ate from the tree of knowledge, he chose himself as god... a god with the power of life and death in his hands... thus our fall from grace where we lived within the boundries of natural slection and population controls.

Most choose to ignore or will say that it's all bunk... however... there is more proof mounting on a daily basis which points to the fact that man has indeed fallen from grace and is quickly erradicating himself.

So many will not see the truth until it is too late.... as it already is.