Do the Harbingers of Ancient Israel Mean the Destruction of America?

In 732 BC, Northern Israel was invaded by the Assyrians. This invasion was on a limited scale on Israeli soil, through a strike followed by withdrawal.
The nation was traumatized, but the attack itself was a harbinger, a foreshadowing of something greater and more severe to come, in which the nation would never recover.

Thus, the first harbinger was The Breach. Israel had enjoyed a reign of blessing and security, but now its security was breached and their illusion of invincibility was shattered.

The Assyrians were a militaristic nation notorious for their cruelty which terrified the nations within its grasp. You could say that the Assyrians were the perfectors of terrorism, making it into a science by utilizing it as no other nation had ever done before.
The second harbinger, was The Terrorist. The Assyrians struck Israel in such a way to traumatize the nation and to inflict shock and fear. So ancient Israel was drawn into war with Assyria, which is modern day Iraq.

Reeling from the initial attack, the national spirit of ancient Israel was one of pride, defiance and arrogance. As relayed through the prophet Isaiah....

The bricks have fallen,
But we will rebuild with hewn stone;
The sycamores have been cut down,
But we will plant cedars in their place.


And these would be the words that set the nation's course and sealed their future.

Their enemies had breached their security and entered their land. Once the initial attack was done, the most visible signs of destruction were the heaps of rubble and fallen brick from ruined and collapsed buildings.
The third harbinger, was the Fallen Bricks. The nation was now confronted with its vulnerability by the image of their destruction. They failed to see the deeper meaning of what the future held, which was the collapse of their kingdom, followed by the collapse of their entire civilization.

Since brick was a brittle and more flimsy medium of construction, they decided to rebuild with something better and stronger: gazit. Gazit is Hebrew for hewn, quarried stone. Buildings made of stone would not only be more resistant to any future assault, but they also signified the nation's intent to rise up from the attack stronger than they were before it.
Quarried stone and a spirit of defiance. Instead of rebuilding their nation by simply restoring the damaged brick, they boasted of totally replacing it with something stronger and greater than before. In replacing their brick constructions with hewn stone, their reconstruction became a towering statement of defiance.
The fourth harbinger, was The Tower and the fifth harbinger, was Gazit Stone.

As part of the initial invasion by Assyria, their destruction was not limited to just contructions of man. Along their wake, it was common practice for invading armies to devastate the vegetation of their target land.
The sixth harbinger, was The Sycamore Tree. The attack would have included the felling and uprooting of sycamore and any other trees in their path. It would be a sign of their fall, the cutting down of a kingdom and uprooting of a nation.

The Middle Eastern sycamore was a fairly common tree, and of no particular significant value. The cedar tree was held in much greater esteem and more highly prized. The sycamore could be likened to common brick, while the cedar to hewn stone.
The seventh harbinger, was The Cedar Tree. This evergreen conifer would be planted in place of the felled sycamore. The cedar tree, "erez" in Hebrew, would be a symbol of national resurgence and confidence. But like the hewn stone replacing the brick, replanting cedar for sycamore is also indicative of ancient Israel's defiance and pride.

The last two harbingers are not like the previous seven, but yet about all of them. The words of the prophet Isaiah in their entirety.......

"The Lord sent a word to Jacob
and it has fallen on Israel
All the people know it,
Ephraim and the inhabitants of Samaria---
but they say in pride,
in the arrogance of their hearts,
'The bricks have fallen,
but we will rebuild with cut stone;
the sycamore-fig trees have been chopped down,
but we will replace them with cedars.'
So the Lord has raised up Retzin's foes against him
and spurred on his enemies
the Syrians from the east, and the Philistines from the West;
and they devour Israel with an open mouth."

Samaria was the capital city of the ancient nation of Israel. The capital city of a nation is the seat of government. Leaders of the nation represent the will and voice of their people and it is from here that the nation is led as a whole.
The eighth harbinger, is the Vow Utterance. In the wake of the initial attack by the Assyrians upon ancient Israel, the response of the nation's leaders is to make a public statement of defiance. From their capital city, they react by boasting of their powerful strength (hewn stone) and making a vow of their defiant resolve (esteemed cedars).

In one realm, Isaiah 9 represents the voice of a nation proclaiming a defiant vow. But in the other realm, it's the voice of God, speaking through the prophet Isaiah as a prophecy of judgment. A prophetic message of warning to the entire nation ("all the people know it") of ancient Israel.
The ninth harbinger, is the Prophecy Utterance. The ancient nation's response to the attack in the form of a vow, set them up on a course of continual defiance that would end in judgment.

On April 30th, 1789, the first president of the United States of America placed his right hand upon an Holy Bible and was sworn into office. After taking his oath of office, first American President, George Washington, walked up Broadway in New York City to St. Paul's Chapel accompanied by a procession that included the Vice President, the Speaker of the House, and both Houses of Congress. As they walked, the sound of bells filled the air as a call to prayer for people to "go up to the house of God and in a solemn manner commit the new government, with its important train of consequences, to the holy protection and blessing of the Most High."

On this day, the entire governmental body of representatives of the United States of America bowed their heads in prayer to consecrate the present and future endeavors of this new nation into the hands of and under the holy protection of the Most High God. The United States of America and its future was committed to Almighty God, and the grounds of its dedication was St. Paul's Chapel, at Ground Zero in New York City.


On this day, George Washington, as the first president of the United States of America proclaimed a prophetic utterance:
"...the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained;"

"Propitious smiles of Heaven" -- God's blessing and favor
"Eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained" -- God's unchanging standards of morality

Morality. Does that word offend you?
Eternal rules. Do you believe in such?
Have I taken a turn leading you outside of your comfort zone?
Have you already assumed a defensive rebuttal?
Are you ready to quit reading?

If not, then let's continue. For I have only just begun and have much more to share until we reach the conclusion of the matter.
OP continued below.....

Yes
Ever since the 9-11 satanic ritual. imo

The nations of ancient Israel and the newly formed United States of America shared a common foundation which made them unique among all others in the history of mankind. From their conception, both nations had been endeavored and established under the acknowledged will of the Most High God and from their inception, both nations formally dedicated themselves to His purposes.

Both nations were in what could be termed a "covenant" relationship with Almighty God. Both nations were marked by long-standing periods of prosperity, power and security.

But both nations gradually began to turn away from God through spiritual complacency. Their growing national attitude to oblige foreign forms of worship outside of mere "tolerance of other's rights", inevitably led them into spiritual confusion. This spiritual confusion led to the merging of belief systems. The merging of belief systems led to the infiltration of foreign beliefs challenging the eternal rules of order and right ordained by the Most High God. Which led to the chipping away of the very foundation on which the nations had been established, and ultimately the slow and subtle process of rejecting God Almighty altogether. The fruit of tolerance was moral corruption and as a result of their rejection, they grew more crude, superficial and vulgar.

On September 11, 2001, the United States of America was invaded (literally or figuratively, but we are not debating that in this thread) by Middle Eastern terrorists. This invasion was on a limited scale on American soil, through strike followed by withdrawal. The nation was traumatized, but the attack itself was a harbinger, a foreshadowing of something greater and more severe to come, in which the nation would most likely never recover.

Thus, the first harbinger is The Breach. America had enjoyed a reign of blessing and security, but now its security was breached and their illusion of invincibility was shattered.

The Middle Eastern terrorists were associated with Al Qaeda, a militaristic extremist group notorious for their extreme acts of violence which terrified other nations within its grasp. You could say that Al Qaeda employed the science of terrorism, which was perfected long ago by the Assyrians.

The second harbinger, is The Terrorist. Middle Eastern terrorists struck America in such a way to traumatize the nation and to inflict shock and fear. So America was drawn into war in the Middle East, beginning with Iraq, which is ancient Assyria.

Reeling from the initial attack, the national spirit of America was one of pride, defiance and arrogance. Remembering the words of Isaiah:

The bricks have fallen,
But we will rebuild with hewn stone;
The sycamores have been cut down,
But we will plant cedars in their place.

And these would be the words that set the nation's course and perhaps, sealed their future.

Their enemies had breached their security and entered their land. Once the initial attack was done, the most visible signs of destruction were the heaps of steel, glass and fallen brick from among the ruined and collapsed buildings.

The third harbinger, is the Fallen Bricks. The nation was now confronted with its vulnerability by the image of their destruction. They failed to see the deeper meaning of what the future held, which was the collapse of their republic, followed by the collapse of their entire American way of life.

Once the rubble of that day, now infamously known simply as "9/11", was cleared away, a sign was placed at Ground Zero which stated:

"A new icon will soon rise above the Lower Manhattan skyline.....the Freedom Tower!"


The fourth harbinger, is The Tower. Senator John Kerry sums up the nation's intent to rise up from the attack stronger than it was before it in his statement:

"...the job of making our country stronger goes on. And I believe one of the first things we should commit to - with federal help that underscores our nation's purpose is to rebuild the towers of the World Trade Center and show the world we are not afraid - we are defiant."


On July 4th, 2004, a twenty-ton rectangular-hewn block of quarried stone was laid at Ground Zero. This "gazit" stone would symbolize the beginning of America's rebuilding. Governor of New York, George Pataki stated:

"Today, we the heirs of that revolutionary spirit of defiance, lay this cornerstone..."


The fifth harbinger, is the Gazit Stone. The quarried hewn stone was to be a symbol of America's vow of confident defiance.


OP continued below...

Once the dust began to settle in the aftermath of the collapsed twin towers on the days after the attack, those working among the wreckage took note of a small courtyard adjacent to the destruction. Within that courtyard was a fallen sycamore tree that would become known as "The Sycamore of Ground Zero".


The sixth harbinger, is The Sycamore Tree. The destruction of 9/11 was not limited to man-made buildings. The enemy's attack included the cutting down and uprooting of a giant sycamore in the Northwest corner of the courtyard of St. Paul's Chapel. Perhaps a sign of America's fall, the cutting down and uprooting of a nation.

The fallen "Sycamore of Ground Zero" was removed, its remains uprooted and on November 22, 2003, a 21 foot Norway Spruce donated by Imperatore Nurseries was planted in its stead. This evergreen conifer would be labeled as "The Tree of Hope."


The seventh harbinger, is The Cedar Tree. In Hebrew, "erez" is translated as "cedar", but the word itself is understood to mean "an evergreen conifer of the pinacea class". In the case of ancient Israel, their evergreen conifer was the cedar. In the case of America, their evergreen conifer was the spruce. But in both cases, those nations symbols of national resurgence and confidence would also be indicative their defiance and pride.

As played out long before by the ancient nation of Israel, the last two harbingers were not like the previous seven, but yet about all of them. Remember the Lord's words to Jacob:

The Lord sent a word to Jacob
and it has fallen on Israel
All the people know it,
Ephraim and the inhabitants of Samaria---
but they say in pride,
in the arrogance of their hearts,
"The bricks have fallen,
but we will rebuild with cut stone;
the sycamore-fig trees have been chopped down,
but we will replace them with cedars."
So the Lord has raised up Retzin's foes against him
and spurred on his enemies
the Syrians from the east, and the Philistines from the West;
and they devour Israel with an open mouth.

As Samaria was the capital city of the ancient nation of Israel, Washington D.C. is the seat of government of the United States of America. It is from this seat of government that the nation's leaders speak for their people as a whole. It was from here on September 11th, 2004 that vice presidential candidate John Edwards spoke these words:

"Good morning. Today on this day of remembrance and mourning we have the Lord's word to get us through.
'The bricks have fallen
But we will build with dressed stones
The sycamores have been cut down
But we will put cedars in their place' "

The eighth harbinger, is the Vow Utterance. On the third anniversary of the worst terrorist attack on American soil, the voice of the American people was represented from their capital city through American leader and vice-presidential candidate, John Edwards. In repeating this ancient vow, he no doubt intended to inspire the nation, but just like the boasting of ancient Israel, he was only bearing witness to its fulfillment of judgment.

In one realm, Isaiah 9 represents the voice of a nation proclaiming a defiant vow. But in the other realm, it's the voice of God, speaking through the prophet Isaiah as a prophecy of judgment. A prophetic message of warning to an entire nation.
The ninth harbinger, is the Prophecy Utterance. A prophetic word of warning, long ago sent to a nation that once knew God, sent at a time when that nation was falling in danger of judgment. No longer had the vow of defiance in Isaiah been uttered only by an ancient people. The "we" of the ancient nation of Israel was now the "we" of America.

" there is a passage in the Bible from Isaiah that I think speaks to all of us at times such as this: The bricks have fallen down, but we will rebuild with dressed stone; the fig trees have been felled, but we will replace them with cedars. That is what we will do. We will rebuild and we will recover."
September 12, 2001, Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle

"though we are living through difficult and uncertain times, tonight I want every American to know this--WE WILL REBUILD.....we will recover, and the United States of America will emerge stronger than ever before."
February 29, 2009, President Barak Obama

Ancient Israel's response to the attack by the Assyrians was in the form of a vow. A vow that set them up on a course of continual defiance that would end in judgment. Ancient Israel rose up in defiance of the Assyrian Empire, which led to the Assyrians invading the land once more, but this time, they would destroy it.

This thread is based on information contained within the book, "The Harbinger" by Jonathan Cahn.
Previous threads on ATS addressing this topic:
www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=13020311#pid13020311
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Reference links:
732BC Israel www.ucl.ac.uk...

Assyrian cruelty news.softpedia.com...

Isaiah 9 www.christnotes.org...

Freedom Stone www.stonebusiness.net...:freedom-stone-dedicated-at-ground-zero&catid=87:news-in-general&Itemid=2

Gazit Stone books.google.com... =txfWT9XMA-qs2gWUubiOCw&sqi=2&ved=0CFIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=gazit%20stone&f=false

Ficus Sycomorus en.wikipedia.org...

Erez Cedar www.bible-history.com...

Pinaceae Tree www.cirrusimage.com...

Tree of Hope www.holybibleprophecy.org...

Washington sworn www.loc.gov...

Washington & reps at St. Paul www.sacred-destinations.com...

Inaugural prayer davidbartonwallbuilders.typepad.com...

Propitious www.bartleby.com...

John Kerry "we are defiant" www.kerry.senate.gov...

George Pataki thinkexist.com...

John Edwards www.politijim.com...

We will rebuild Obama www.nytimes.com...

I also believe that the heart of texas plays a major part in the end times.
Possibly the location or the rebuilding of the temple mount.
I have no proof just a gut feeling and knowledge of a huge amount of satans works here.

if god is ok with all the dead indians and broken treaties that resulted in America and Canada then
IMHO ANY nation he supports deserves to lay forever in the dustbin of history

Since god and the bankers have been on both side of every war since when ever and no matter what country wins the peeps all lose...while the kissing cousin royalty and the priests and preachers and the bankers laugh all the way to the bank....

The problem with the premise in the OP is the dancing Israelis
and the millions of dead Muslims and their stolen properties justified by murder, and the bearing of false witness as justification....

America's and Israel's claims to any moral high ground are simply spurious and worse

Originally posted by Danbones
if god is ok with all the dead indians and broken treaties that resulted in America and Canada then
IMHO ANY nation he supports deserves to lay forever in the dustbin of history

Since god and the bankers have been on both side of every war since when ever and no matter what country wins the peeps all lose...while the kissing cousin royalty and the priests and preachers and the bankers laugh all the way to the bank....

The problem with the premise in the OP is the dancing Israelis
and the millions of dead Muslims and their stolen properties justified by murder, and the bearing of false witness as justification....

America's and Israel's claims to any moral high ground are simply spurious and worse

edit on 12-6-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

edit on 12-6-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

Thank you for your response, Danbones.

Having a significant amount of Native American ancestry, I appreciate your sentiment regarding the massacre of America's Native civilization. The book I based my OP on, specifically addresses the fact that America, as a nation, is not without fault and has committed dispicable acts by the hands of fallible and misguided men. But it also points out the fact that the wheat grows alongside the tares, and America has brought much more light and liberty into the world than not.

I disagree with you that God is on the side of the bankers. But I fully agree with you that they are laughing all the way to the bank.

I also do not share your ill will towards the nation of Israel. I feel that they have a right just like any other human being to freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Although how those individuals go about it may not necessarily be the most prudent way to do so, especially when it infringes those very rights of others. That we can agree on.

For the purpose of my OP, I must point out that Islam was not a nation in 732 BC, so the premise of the original purpose of their nation still holds, IMO.
Also, the point of my OP is the lack of moral high ground in America, and the lack of moral high ground in ancient Israel, both of which, likely led to their eventual destruction.

Thank you again, Danbones, for the discussion.

OP, I pray that your inspired words reach some reading. What they don't understand is that Jesus came for the lost sheep of the House of Israel - many our forefathers. What they can't understand or believe is that what was, will be again. What they fail to see is that the grand kids of faithful Christians have been attacked by Balaam's deceit - that they've been made Godless simply by the enticement of sin and spiritual adultery. They laugh as they reject their saviour yet they unknowingly have accepted Satan and the beast.

The Israel of God have always believed in their Messiah.

Your thread was very inspiring to me, and I do hope that it makes a few uneasy to see our nation's declared intent - we have been encompassed by the enemy of God for a long while now, and the shout to repent from evil will grow louder.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
OP, I pray that your inspired words reach some reading. What they don't understand is that Jesus came for the lost sheep of the House of Israel - many our forefathers. What they can't understand or believe is that what was, will be again. What they fail to see is that the grand kids of faithful Christians have been attacked by Balaam's deceit - that they've been made Godless simply by the enticement of sin and spiritual adultery. They laugh as they reject their saviour yet they unknowingly have accepted Satan and the beast.

The Israel of God have always believed in their Messiah.

Your thread was very inspiring to me, and I do hope that it makes a few uneasy to see our nation's declared intent - we have been encompassed by the enemy of God for a long while now, and the shout to repent from evil will grow louder.

Thank you WhoKnows.
I will confess, that at first I debated on whether or not to invest the time in creating this thread. I searched ATS for this topic and looked at the 3 that came up. I didn't feel that any of them really did justice in their OP to the whole message Mr. Cahn was trying to get accross.
That thought stayed on me for a few days, so I finally gave in to my gut feeling and began condensing and re-writing the main points set forth in the book on this topic.
The book also addresses the concept of the "Shemitah" and how it relates to the collapse of our financial institutions beginning in 2008. It gives a brief history of Wall Street and how the foundations of America are primarily financial.
The New York Stock Exchange was created under a sycamore tree at 68 Wall Street in what was referred to as the "Buttonwood Agreement." A buttonwood tree is another name for sycamore.
An artist's rendition of the root system, or foundation, of the sycamore that was destroyed at Ground Zero on 9/11 is on display at the end of Wall Street at Trinity Church.
There is a lot of interesting stuff in the book I had to edit out for the purpose of the OP.

reply to post by stupid girl


I'm glad that you did write it up. I had been reading Isaiah last week and the  "height" of the Cedars of Lebanon caught my eye - and then Amos 2:

""I destroyed the Amorite before them, though he was tall as the cedars and strong as the oaks. I destroyed his fruit above and his roots below."

And connect them to the Sons of God who married the daughters of man and had the Nephiliam 'giants/mighty' children which were destroyed in the Noah flood. 

Also "“Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.” – Ezekiel 31:3

The symbol of a cedar of Lebanon is pride, strength and rulership, and it appears that they went down to the pit in the great flood.
"Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.” – Ezekiel 31:13-15

And as Jesus states, the end will be as in the days of Noah, so your thread is not only timely but a warning to us all. Have the children of the Sons of God intermarried non-believers and produced the last generation of Godless, proud and rebellious children that will see the Lord's return whilst fighting against Him?

Originally posted by stupid girl

Originally posted by Danbones
if god is ok with all the dead indians and broken treaties that resulted in America and Canada then
IMHO ANY nation he supports deserves to lay forever in the dustbin of history

Since god and the bankers have been on both side of every war since when ever and no matter what country wins the peeps all lose...while the kissing cousin royalty and the priests and preachers and the bankers laugh all the way to the bank....

The problem with the premise in the OP is the dancing Israelis
and the millions of dead Muslims and their stolen properties justified by murder, and the bearing of false witness as justification....

America's and Israel's claims to any moral high ground are simply spurious and worse

edit on 12-6-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

edit on 12-6-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)

Thank you for your response, Danbones.

Having a significant amount of Native American ancestry, I appreciate your sentiment regarding the massacre of America's Native civilization. The book I based my OP on, specifically addresses the fact that America, as a nation, is not without fault and has committed dispicable acts by the hands of fallible and misguided men. But it also points out the fact that the wheat grows alongside the tares, and America has brought much more light and liberty into the world than not.

I disagree with you that God is on the side of the bankers. But I fully agree with you that they are laughing all the way to the bank.

I also do not share your ill will towards the nation of Israel. I feel that they have a right just like any other human being to freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Although how those individuals go about it may not necessarily be the most prudent way to do so, especially when it infringes those very rights of others. That we can agree on.

For the purpose of my OP, I must point out that Islam was not a nation in 732 BC, so the premise of the original purpose of their nation still holds, IMO.
Also, the point of my OP is the lack of moral high ground in America, and the lack of moral high ground in ancient Israel, both of which, likely led to their eventual destruction.

Thank you again, Danbones, for the discussion.

edit on 12-6-2012 by stupid girl because: (no reason given)

good points SG
IT is the lack of morality which is sucking the lifeblood out of all the countries...
but the bankers and god have been on both sides of every war...for example
the american civil war....
and the Irish relgious conflicts...
Both resulting in the bankers getting a more and more crokillgater tooth hold on the respective assets and freedoms of both countries
Look at ireland's economy today or the state of the constitution and the bill of rights in the US currently.

The destruction of the US constitution and bill of rights is the death of the moral backbone of the US..

ISRSAEL was created by and for bankers..and the dancing Israelis show Israel was certainly involved in 911..certainly they did the levon affair and the uss liberty...both much more significant proof of hostility then anything the vietnamese and the arabs have ever done to the US...look at the losses to the American people since the FALSE FLAG of 911..the money the rights the freedoms..going going gone

That is why the US is failing
The US has given sovreignity over to the ISRAELI lobby ..and above them the bankers (who use ZIONIST Israel)
The US government serves its foreign masters not the voters who pay taxes
(90 percent against bailouts for example, fighting Israel's wars for them which the US can't afford to do )
This is not a fault of religious morality...
It is godless treason pure and simple

I believe the founding fathers set up a system they hoped would separate church and state in favour of reason.
because they saw there was no religious morality in government ever.
Religion was just a control grid which was being wielded by those with ZERO morality

Why is there a reoccurring theme? Israel is God’s chosen people and the powers that are Satan seek to destroy that which belongs to God. Christian’s old testament is from the Jewish Bible that also makes the United States the same as Israel God’s chosen people, as long as we can keep the faith. The exodus from Egypt was to bring the Israelites to their promised land. Ever notice that throughout history the Jew’s are always attacked. It is because Satan hates that which is God’s. Satan hopes the entire world will hate Jews but you will never destroy Israel because they are God’s nation. If God wanted to bring his people to the land of milk and honey, why would God want his people to settle in the desert of the Arabian Peninsula? Because he wanted Israel to have all the revenues from the oil but Israel failed to complete a task that the Lord commanded them to do. After crossing the Red Sea the first tribe to attack the Israelites were the Amalekites, God ordered the Israelite to kill all the Amalekites including their livestock. The Israelites reluctantly set out to do as they were commanded but did not complete the task God had given them. The United States is “one nation under GOD” and who attacked them? Have you ever looked at history to find out what was the first foreign power to attack the United States? The power of Satan always fights against God. As we turn away from God we also turn away from his favor.

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The view that Islamic terrorism predates U.S. action and is justified by Quranic teachings

An alternative argument is that anti-American terrorism predated the rise of the United States as a global power and is justified by the Quran. This is exemplified by the events leading to the First Barbary War. Muslim pirates of Algiers, Morocco, Tunis, and Tripoli Barbary Coast had attacked, enslaved and held American merchant sailors for ransom, soon after the establishment of the United States of America in 1776 (see First Barbary War). These terrorist-type attacks predated any U.S. involvement in the islamic world and occurred before the US had been involved in any overseas military action. In 1786, future U.S. Presidents Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli’s envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman in an attempt to negotiate an end to the piracy. Adams and Jefferson summarized their meeting in a letter dated March 28, 1786 to John Jay, the United States Secretary of Foreign Affairs:

"We took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation. The Ambassador [of Tripoli] answered us that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (muslims) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."[20]
These diplomatic engagements suggest that a modern Jihad-like ideology existed prior to any U.S. involvement in the Islamic world, and that the Koran was used to justify this ideology.

Thus, according to critics of Islam, islamic terrorism is linked to the practice of divinely sanctioned warfare against apostates.[21][22] Many Muslim groups including the Council on American-Islamic Relations argue that references to violence in Muslim sources have been taken out of context.[23][24][25] They argue that these Koranic ayahs are only for self-defense when non-believers endanger Muslim life. While a debate may exist on the proper interpretation of Koranic verses, the terrorist actions leading to the First Barbary War and the justification provided by Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman, provide an early example where the Koran was used to justify anti-American terrorism. These events occurred at a time where the U.S. had yet to intervene in the Muslim world and argue against U.S. policy as a fundamental cause of islamic terrorism. On the contrary, the historical timeline demonstrates that the very first U.S. engagement with the Muslim world was an American response to Islamic terrorism

theres your problem
the exodus happened to the Hyksos not the hebrews:

Egyptian records report the departure of about 240,000 people from northern Egypt to the Near East sometime after Amhose had evicted the Hyksos army, probably about the middle of the 16th century BCE .

The biblical exodus roughly equates to the reigns of Thutmose III/ Hatsheput or possibly to the latter years of Thutmose II.None of the Egyptian records for their reigns mention the departure of hordes of people to the Near East.The only Egyptian documentation that has any resemblance to the biblical exodus is the exodus during the reign of Amhose. Whether Egyptian and Hebrew scribes were recording the same event is a moot

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A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[16] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".

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Shlomo Sand's 'The Invention of the Jewish People' is a success for Israel
Some may be surprised to find that Sand's goal is to preserve Israel as a democracy with a Jewish character.

Yes, Jewish public consciousness continues to be formed by the idea that Jews were exiled from Israel by the Romans, whereas the truth is that close to two million Jews continued to live here until the fall of the Roman empire. Yes, a large portion of the Roman Empire Jews became Jewish by conversion, and hence most Jews today are unlikely to be descendants of Jews who lived here two thousand years ago. But, as Sand repeatedly points out, none of this is disputed by historians.

Yes, the Zionist narrative has created a semblance of continuity between the Jews living in Israel two thousand years ago and modern Jews, much more than actually exists.

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MORALS????
this whole fantasy of the biblical Hebrews and Israel of today is an INVENTION....
so i guess what follows must be true too


History shows christianity is all about slaughtering the unbelievers and stealing thier land and resources to make some luciferians rich
there never was a morality to loose

The US was designed to be above that with it's constitution and bill of rights
but no...
Christianity has to ruin that to preserve the delusion of morality while the few laughing luciferians
who control all the christians laugh laugh laugh
all the way to the gold vault

did you read the Harbinger book by Cain? I read it when it first came out and found it pretty fascinating. I am not an expert on the Bible so i wasnt sure if the detailed quotes were all true. Do you know if the book is true? it said in the beginning that it was true but written in a fictional format which makes me wonder what parts are true and what parts aren't

Originally posted by HODOSKE
did you read the Harbinger book by Cain? I read it when it first came out and found it pretty fascinating. I am not an expert on the Bible so i wasnt sure if the detailed quotes were all true. Do you know if the book is true? it said in the beginning that it was true but written in a fictional format which makes me wonder what parts are true and what parts aren't

Yes, my OP is based on "The Harbinger" by Jonathan Cahn. It is referenced at the top of the third portion of my OP, along with links taking you to the quotes and information contained in the book.

The information in the book is true. Mr. Cahn simply put the information in the format of a narrative as a discussion between 2 fictional characters.

I am interested to hear more. When/if the U.S.A goes down you have to wonder what will the rest of the world be like? Thank you for the interesting thread. I will be following it.

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we will know this election,, if it gets that far.

Do the Harbingers of Ancient Israel Mean the Destruction of America? no
Do the Harbingers of Ancient Israel Mean the a new America? maybe
Do the Harbingers of Ancient Israel Mean the Destruction of America?


see above,,
well time is short right,,

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This nation wasn't consecrated to YHWH, it was Freemasons who built this country. The all seeing eye of Horus is who is their god. His wife's statue sits off the coast of New Jersey. Here she is, look familiar?

There are many schools on the subject; some people wouldn’t believe it unless they were there. Therefore, it is called faith.
It is hard to tell these days if some people just hate Jews or religion all together.
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The Exodus (Greek ἔξοδος, exodos "way out", Hebrew: יציאת מצרים, Modern Yetsi'at Mitzrayim Tiberian [jəsʕijaθ misʕɾajim] Y'ṣiʾath Miṣrayim ; "[the] exit [from] Egypt") is the story of the departure of the Israelites from ancient Egypt described in the Hebrew Bible.
Narrowly defined, the term refers only to the departure from Egypt described in the Book of Exodus; more widely, it takes in the subsequent law-givings and wanderings in the wilderness between Egypt and Canaan described in the books of Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
Numbers and logistics
According to Exodus 12:37-38, the Israelites numbered "about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children," plus many non-Israelites and livestock.[9] Numbers 1:46 gives a more precise total of 603,550.[10] The 600,000, plus wives, children, the elderly, and the "mixed multitude" of non-Israelites would have numbered some 2 million people,[11] compared with an entire Egyptian population in 1250 BCE of around 3 to 3.5 million.[12] Marching ten abreast, and without accounting for livestock, they would have formed a line 150 miles long.[13