Now With Ron Paul Out, I Am Voting OBAMA 2012

Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
reply to post by Tgautier13

 

What... you can't respond to my comment?

Sorry man for not getting to your post earlier, I only have a little bit of time out of each day to visit this website. I don't spend the majority of my day on this website polluting my brain with nut-job conspiracy theories with no real world application. I appreciate being a rational intellectual and not being 'indoctricnated' as you have said.

I don't know what kind of cards you are playing here, but I suggest folding. I'm not going to rant, although I should and deny your ignorance, or bring to light your allegiances to an indoctrinated paradigm that only aims at bring subservience to the masses.

All I'm saying... is that you are incredibly wrong, and your approach is incredibly dangerous.

You're not understanding the premise of my post. Does Dr. Paul stand a chance at this point in securing the nomination or no? Does he even want the nomination now, or did he even want to in the first place? Would having Mitt Romney as President at this point make a bigger impact for our grassroots agenda, or would having the already exposed Obama in office help our cause more?

Do you really think the establishment is giving us a choice other than Romney or Obama at this point? Think critically here. Which of the two above would be better for exposing the tyranny in Government?

I'm honestly sitting here, reading your comments, and wondering exactly who you work for! This is coming from someone who continually debunks conspiracy theories, and find that most perceptions of such as strongly based on ignorance and a lack of understanding.

So... cmon now, deny my ignorance.

Honestly, this last paragraph sounds incredibly naive and demonstrates in my opinion the main problem with 'conspiracy theorists' at this time; people get so wrapped up in fantastical stories with no real world application that they allow it to warp their their own viewpoints. I understand the libertarian champion doesn't stand a chance at this point, so now I possibly 'work' for someone?

No, actually, you're right. My 11:00 - 2:00 shift consists of spreading political disinformation to a couple hundred people on a website. My next shift is devoted to pushing the Galactic Federation of Light's agenda on this website. I am paid hansomely for my services.

I'm sorry, but you were NEVER A RON PAUL SUPPORTER if you will be VOTING FOR OBAMA!

Stop it! Why do you claim to support the ideology of Ron Paul, in claiming support for him, and then choose to do a complete 180 in regards to voting for Obama!

Damn straight....

I love how people are convinced they HAVE to vote for one of two choices the mass media feeds them, or their vote wouldn't count.

That's BS folks. Right now, if the majority wrote in Paul, then he'd win, regardless of the choices being thrust down our throats.

Of course, that won't happen, because the American public has been repeatedly told it's "wasting it's vote" if it doesn't go one or the other. That's ONLY true if YOU make it true. Go ahead...do their bidding, cast your vote for either Obama or Romney (doesn't matter, as either of these two puppets will mean the same thing)...

reply to post by Gazrok


You're assuming that the majority of the American public even know who Ron Paul is. How many people do you think even know who Mitt Romney is for that matter? Go ahead and write in Ron Paul's name though, if you feel so morally inclined. All you will be doing is taking votes away from the Republican candidate and allowing Obama to gain a wider statistical margin.

For one second, cut the "Ron Paul or bust" rhetoric. The reality of the situation is that he is not winning, and grasping for straws in this manner only serves to slow down our momentum. Will you still be complaining a year from now when Ron Paul is still not in office? Will you not have realized at that point that we need to focus our efforts on actual, constructive goals?

Ron Paul has stated he is not running for re-election as Congressman. He coordinated his 'concession' email with his son's endorsement of Mitt Romney. Ron Paul is in the twilight of his political career. Why continue to support him at this point? Do you feel there is no one else in this country we can get behind from a libertarian standpoint?

The reality, REALITY, of this is we have a choice between Romney or Obama. I would love if Ron Paul was the Republican candidate at this point but I have a firm basis in reality. We must move forward. Who do you think would be easier to expose right now, Obama or Romney? That is my point in this thread. Its amazing how many people lack basic reading comprehension and feel I actually support either of these candidates.

reply to post by Tgautier13

You're not understanding the premise of my post. Does Dr. Paul stand a chance at this point in securing the nomination or no? Does he even want the nomination now, or did he even want to in the first place? Would having Mitt Romney as President at this point make a bigger impact for our grassroots agenda, or would having the already exposed Obama in office help our cause more?

It does not matter if Ron Paul has a change at winning the GOP nomination! You are playing partisan politics yet again.

Yes he does want the nomination, and yes he did want it in the first place.

You'd get a mixed bag of tricks if Mitt Romney was President. One one hand, you would see much of the grass roots agenda. In the other, you'd still see a foreign policy that is detrimental to the real 'change' we need from a President.

Obama is Obama, he's a one man puppet... Which can be said about a majority of politicians I suppose. But, this is the US, I still see, ALL DAY nothing but stories in regards to many of his decisions being called for what they are. People are 'aware'... it's not necessarily a small community of people that recognize that something is wrong with the current situation.

I would suggest that everything will be coming to light, regardless...

Do you really think the establishment is giving us a choice other than Romney or Obama at this point? Think critically here. Which of the two above would be better for exposing the tyranny in Government?

It DOES NOT MATTER! What the choices are, include Ron Paul!

It's the moment in which you think and act in accordance with some 'establishment' giving choice, in regards to Government, is when to begin to see tyranny. You begin to give 'absolute power' to an individual or set list of 'choices', and you have now removed yourself, and fallen under Tyranny.

Well, it's still your choice, start acting like it... or fall victim to Tyranny... you know the US has a Constitution that is still valid, no matter what they say.

Honestly, this last paragraph sounds incredibly naive and demonstrates in my opinion the main problem with 'conspiracy theorists' at this time; people get so wrapped up in fantastical stories with no real world application that they allow it to warp their their own viewpoints. I understand the libertarian champion doesn't stand a chance at this point, so now I possibly 'work' for someone?

I was joking.... hence me saying that I don't believe a majority of conspiratorial nonsense that is based on ignorance and a lack of understanding. I apologize if you took it the wrong way... No, I was not claiming that I think that you are 'working' for someone lol!!!

No, actually, you're right. My 11:00 - 2:00 shift consists of spreading political disinformation to a couple hundred people on a website. My next shift is devoted to pushing the Galactic Federation of Light's agenda on this website. I am paid hansomely for my services.

OMG! I knew it!!

Originally posted by Gazrok

I'm sorry, but you were NEVER A RON PAUL SUPPORTER if you will be VOTING FOR OBAMA!

Stop it! Why do you claim to support the ideology of Ron Paul, in claiming support for him, and then choose to do a complete 180 in regards to voting for Obama!

Damn straight....

I love how people are convinced they HAVE to vote for one of two choices the mass media feeds them, or their vote wouldn't count.

That's BS folks. Right now, if the majority wrote in Paul, then he'd win, regardless of the choices being thrust down our throats.

Of course, that won't happen, because the American public has been repeatedly told it's "wasting it's vote" if it doesn't go one or the other. That's ONLY true if YOU make it true. Go ahead...do their bidding, cast your vote for either Obama or Romney (doesn't matter, as either of these two puppets will mean the same thing)...

Man, I'm so glad I'm not the only person who see's the light around here!

I don't care if someone truly wants one over the other as far as voting, but to fall under the premise that you are limited to two options is the gravest of errors that can be made. Don't let the media manipulate you into thinking this, rhetoric and media is craziness... but that does not remove your responsibilities to be involved in your government. If you truly care about your family, your community and yourself, well... be about it.

Originally posted by Erectus
I'm afraid I'll be voting for Obama, too. He is the lesser of two evils IMO. He'll have a republican held house to keep him reigned in. I fear if the senate is lost by dems and Romney wins he'll have free reign to start wars and eliminate, or reduce beyond what is reasonable, social programs in favor of even larger military budgets.

If we're to go broke I'd rather do it feeding Americans as I had giving billionairres tax breaks and killing yet more muslim children in the name of my own security.

edit on 10-6-2012 by Erectus because: (no reason given)

Seriously? First off, how many wars has Obama gotten us out of? How many dollars has he saved us? And how many children has he fed?

Now.. Where are the Muslim children Romney has killed? And What Wars do you think Romney is going to start? Obama is the one who declared a war without congress. You think Romney is the war monger? Where do people come up with this stuff? And I for one would be more than happy to let him kill the HUGE social program called obamcare so my paycheck doesnt get raped when that mess starts.

As far as tax breaks for the rich? What are you talking about. Romney has said for a while now that he wants to eliminate some of the deductions they can claim which will actually make them pay more. I am good with that. Keep in mind though that these guys you want to take money from are the same ones that sign most of our paychecks and when they start losing money guess what? Unemployment goes even higher. Is that what we need right now? Because if the Bush tax cuts fall of thats what were going to get.

reply to post by Tgautier13


I'm a Progressive who is anti-Ron Paul, but why would you vote for Obama just because he dropped out of the race? This is exactly what the Shadow Government wants you to do; to buy into their "two-party" system.

"Whether you vote for the lesser of two evils, you vote for evil." - KRS-One

Originally posted by nwtrucker
The one factor that you've omitted is the supreme court nominees that will occur under the second term of Obama.

That is more than enough for me to support Romney over Obama even if your premise is accurate.(I don't believe it is). it's fairly clear that the Republicans are the lesser of the two evils.(Ron Paul being a member)

It's also obvious that the socialist moves by Obama are far more in lock-step with the rest of the world and expose the people to more gov't control than a "small gov't" endorsed republican platform.

To see an EPA with their own spy sattelite, used on American business as an example of which party gets us locked down fastest.

While you may feel frustration at the results of the GOP nomination, punishing the rest of us isn't not a rational choice. Ron Paul's views work through the "grass-roots" and will continue to do so. It will take time. Until then, in general, the Tea party view is an improvement over what we've had since Reagan is also forcing shifts within the Republican party.

It took a while to get into this mess, it'll take a while to straighten it out.....

Yes it did take quite awhile to get into this mess - that's why I'll take my chances with the devil I know and give him more time to clean up the pile of steaming crap he inherited when he took over. As for the SCOTUS - just another huge reason I won't be voting GOP. I've had enough Citizens United for a lifetime thank you.

I've seen absolutely nothing - zero - nada - from Romney that leads me to believe he will not do anything at all to fix this economy. He has no ideas other than cutting taxes for the wealthy and expecting that old trick to create more jobs. In the words of "W"s dear old dad - "not gonna happen." When are we going to learn that the tax cutting dog for the wealthy just don't hunt anymore. Or better yet - that dog just won't ride on top of the car anymore..

Originally posted by TheTardis

Seriously? First off, how many wars has Obama gotten us out of? How many dollars has he saved us? And how many children has he fed?

Now.. Where are the Muslim children Romney has killed? And What Wars do you think Romney is going to start? Obama is the one who declared a war without congress. You think Romney is the war monger? Where do people come up with this stuff? And I for one would be more than happy to let him kill the HUGE social program called obamcare so my paycheck doesnt get raped when that mess starts.

As far as tax breaks for the rich? What are you talking about. Romney has said for a while now that he wants to eliminate some of the deductions they can claim which will actually make them pay more. I am good with that. Keep in mind though that these guys you want to take money from are the same ones that sign most of our paychecks and when they start losing money guess what? Unemployment goes even higher. Is that what we need right now? Because if the Bush tax cuts fall of thats what were going to get.

Actually to be truthtful, he has gotten us out of Iraq and has "promised" to get us out of Afghanistan.

Of course Bombney is going to be a war monger. All presidents are. He will go to war with whomever his handlers tell him to.

What money are corporations losing? They are boasting record profits. A raise of their tax rate from 35 to 39.5% will not hurt them. It's nothing but GREED for them. You are seriously just falling in line right behind the Corporate masters and cowtowing to their every whim.

You are such a Republican cheerleader that even responding to the rest of your nonsense is pointless. You're foolish to buy into this two-party system and to believe that any of them are different.

Wake up, dude. For real. You are nothing but a puppet being pulled along by them.

Originally posted by Gazrok

I'm sorry, but you were NEVER A RON PAUL SUPPORTER if you will be VOTING FOR OBAMA!

Stop it! Why do you claim to support the ideology of Ron Paul, in claiming support for him, and then choose to do a complete 180 in regards to voting for Obama!

Damn straight....

I love how people are convinced they HAVE to vote for one of two choices the mass media feeds them, or their vote wouldn't count.

That's BS folks. Right now, if the majority wrote in Paul, then he'd win, regardless of the choices being thrust down our throats.

Of course, that won't happen, because the American public has been repeatedly told it's "wasting it's vote" if it doesn't go one or the other. That's ONLY true if YOU make it true. Go ahead...do their bidding, cast your vote for either Obama or Romney (doesn't matter, as either of these two puppets will mean the same thing)...

Ron Paul as a viable candidate is done - finished - kaput. I dig most of his policies but I gotta be honest, the guy is just too advanced in age to do this job and his window of opportunity has closed. Too bad his son couldn't fit to carry on his philosophy. Guess kids will rebel.

Originally posted by mrsoul2009

Yes it did take quite awhile to get into this mess - that's why I'll take my chances with the devil I know and give him more time to clean up the pile of steaming crap he inherited when he took over. As for the SCOTUS - just another huge reason I won't be voting GOP. I've had enough Citizens United for a lifetime thank you.

I've seen absolutely nothing - zero - nada - from Romney that leads me to believe he will not do anything at all to fix this economy. He has no ideas other than cutting taxes for the wealthy and expecting that old trick to create more jobs. In the words of "W"s dear old dad - "not gonna happen." When are we going to learn that the tax cutting dog for the wealthy just don't hunt anymore. Or better yet - that dog just won't ride on top of the car anymore..

What makes the GOP different from the Dems? What makes Obama different from Romney? Obama has extended the same tax cuts TWICE that Romney wants to extend.

Originally posted by shaluach

Originally posted by mrsoul2009

Yes it did take quite awhile to get into this mess - that's why I'll take my chances with the devil I know and give him more time to clean up the pile of steaming crap he inherited when he took over. As for the SCOTUS - just another huge reason I won't be voting GOP. I've had enough Citizens United for a lifetime thank you.

I've seen absolutely nothing - zero - nada - from Romney that leads me to believe he will not do anything at all to fix this economy. He has no ideas other than cutting taxes for the wealthy and expecting that old trick to create more jobs. In the words of "W"s dear old dad - "not gonna happen." When are we going to learn that the tax cutting dog for the wealthy just don't hunt anymore. Or better yet - that dog just won't ride on top of the car anymore..

What makes the GOP different from the Dems? What makes Obama different from Romney? Obama has extended the same tax cuts TWICE that Romney wants to extend.

That's part of my point. There ain't much difference anymore - that's what makes all this "Obama is a left wing socialist" rhetoric so ridiculous. He's governed to the right of every Democratic President since Truman. That being said, I'll take my chances with Obama - I think Romney will give away the store.

I understand 4 yrs of Obama is better then 8 yrs of Romney, but if forced to choose, I vote Gary Johnson. I'm still holding out to the convention though. Ron quit at the home stretch, none of this makes sense and I agree with AJ, Ron needs to speak to his supporters. All that aside, Obama/Romney, only difference is 4/8 years, and neither are getting my vote.

I'm voting RP. There's no way you'd get me to vote for excrement.

We are always going to have people like Bush, Obama and Romney if you never get serious about voting for a third party candidate. It's not going to go away.

We may be on the decline, but that's not to say that we can't enjoy some of our liberties. With Romney and Obama, say goodbye to more.

So go ahead and vote for them, and hold your head high!

Originally posted by shaluach
reply to post by Tgautier13

 

I'm a Progressive who is anti-Ron Paul, but why would you vote for Obama just because he dropped out of the race? This is exactly what the Shadow Government wants you to do; to buy into their "two-party" system.

"Whether you vote for the lesser of two evils, you vote for evil." - KRS-One

Does anyone here realize you dont have to vote republican or democrat? Ron Paul is actually a libertarian, so why not vote for the libertarian candidate Gary Johnson if Paul is unseccessful at taking over the republican party?

I love how people are going back and forth on who to vote for in the upcoming presidential election. Doing so under the premise that one candidate or the other, will or will not continue, the agenda of the elite. The reason I love this particular debate is because that most the people participating are aware of the concept that the election is possibly all a scam and that the POTUS is simply a scapegoat. I personally believe this to be fact, simply because in our modern society it's not probable that so many detrimental events could arise from an individual's actions. It requires a system of people to accomplish such tasks. That is reality; quit believing that any future president is going to be truly concerned with the entire populace's quality of life, and even if that person could put aside bias and would be concerned about our well-being, how much can he really hope to change? (Or she).

As far as my two cents can go, the simple answer is, "Don't Vote." Don't participate in their system, separate yourselves from it one step at a time, and just maybe when there are enough people who share a like minded opinion about this system, we will see the beginnings of the revolution our country so desperately needs. The bonds of personal wants need to be severed and our consumer lifestyles must stop.

I personally believe the Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II was wrong when he said,"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Simply because, we have been invaded and there is not a single rifle pointed in the right direction. Freedom is a choice.

It's just a spiteful thing, admit it all you diehard Paulers. You cannot vote for the man who knocked off your hero, simple as that. Either that or you were an implanted "Blue Democrat" all along, just over on the opposite side of the aisle to aid your real idol, Obama.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


If Paul had started a third party, overlapped with a tea-party or not, I'd vote for the third party. Even if that move assures an Obama win! The reason being, a coalition of Republican and third party congressional votes would tend to block Presidential moves.

Yet, he didn't start a third party. Why? Due to the result of the Ross Perot run!

If you are if fact on Ron Paul supporter, then follow his endorsement. If you think he'll endorse Obama over Romney..... well, enough said.....

When I hear that some people won't vote for Ron Paul, (or anyone for that matter) because "he's out" or "he had no chance", what I hear is "I won't vote for someone that's going to lose, I WANT TO VOTE FOR A WINNER!"

And then I think how pathetic that is.

Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
reply to post by Tgautier13

 

One Ron Paul supporter to another, I'll probably be voting for Obama as well. I can't see sitting home not voting, and the last thing I can do is vote for an establishment Republican. Rand Paul has burnt a bridge for me, so it will likely affect my voting in the future.

I'm sorry, but you were NEVER A RON PAUL SUPPORTER if you will be VOTING FOR OBAMA!

Stop it! Why do you claim to support the ideology of Ron Paul, in claiming support for him, and then choose to do a complete 180 in regards to voting for Obama!

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF YOURSELF AND EVERYONE, just stop, honestly...

I did not get behind Ron Paul because I was against Obama. So do yourself a favor and do not make the same mistake a majority of people make in assuming that just because you support a candidate means you agree with everything a candidate stands for. I've supported Ron Paul because he is honest--not because of his political ideologies. I agree with most of the premises Ron Paul advocates, but not entirely with his chosen methodology. In fact, I share this same rationale with Obama, agreeing with him in premise but not agreeing with his chosen method. If I had a choice in the election it would be for a hybrid Obama/Paul...with a strong emphasis on small federal government, while bolstering local governments ability to respond to the needs of its citizens.

I realize you probably are lashing out in anger. I suppose attacking a fellow Ron Paul supporter is the only way to vent your frustration. Please do not tell me I never supported Ron Paul, I did and still do. However, if only left with two choices between Obama and Romney I will vote Obama without thinking twice. If a viable third party candidate emerges then possibly I'll give my vote to them. However, I will not ever vote Republican again to any establishment GOP candidate. My personal belief is that both parties are corrupt; however, I will not sit at home on election day. Somebody will receive my vote, and it won't be Romney.