Nontraditional cancer treatments virtually unheard of. Why?

This thread is about proven (yet unfamiliar) ways to eliminate cancer and anti-tumor treatments.

I know some of this research has been around and effective for over 20 years. I remember seeing a show on the Discovery channel over 20 years ago or so that discussed some of it.

First I will bring forward the use of a protein in Southern Copperhead venom, as well as the venom of some other vipers/pit vipers. Then I will bring forward the use of scorpion venom. I also welcome any additional treatments that are proven to work and are nontraditional and most likely safer than the traditional.

We have been studying a protein from southern copperhead snake venom possessing potent anti-tumor activity that we call contortrostatin.

Contortrostatin (CN) is a member of a family of peptides called disintegrins that are found in snake venoms. Members of this family are distinguished by the presence of an amino acid sequence, arginine-glycine-aspartic acid (RGD), that enables them to bind to cell surface receptors called integrins found on cancer cells and newly growing (angiogenic) blood vessels in the tumor. Integrins mediate interactions between cells and their surroundings, and on cancer cells they play important roles in tumor invasion and dissemination.

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From this small eHow article one would think the research has only been going on for just over a decade, which is wrong it has been going on longer. I think a part of it has to do with the withholding of information from the pharmaceutical industry, though I am willing to admit I might be wrong if proven that I am.

Markland and his team, studying mice with implanted breast cancer, discovered that contortrostatin prevented the cancer from spreading to the lungs of the mice by 90%.

Read more: How to Use Viper Venom to Treat Cancer | eHow.com www.ehow.com...

Snake venoms, particularly those from North American pit vipers, contain direct-acting fibrinolytic proteinases (11).

www.aapsj.org...

I have wondered for years why I remember hearing about it one time many years ago but have heard nothing of it since. This is never brought to light unless you research it. Someone has to be hiding something. This protein in the venom can keep cancer from growing and cause it to go away completely. Yet we constantly treat cancer with radiation treatments that can make people much sicker. Not to mention the oddness that radiation can cause cancer yet somehow magically cure it as well. Then you have the multimillion dollar medications sold each and every year as cancer rates seem to increase.

Worldwide rates.
www.guardian.co.uk...

Rates within the U.S.
statecancerprofiles.cancer.gov...

Though according to this article it seems death due to cancer is dropping in the U.S.

Cancer death rates are continuing to fall, dropping by 1.8 percent per year in men and 1.6 percent per year in women between 2004 and 2008, according to the American Cancer Society's annual report on cancer statistics released on Wednesday.

Despite improvements in the most common cancers, a companion report found an increase in cases of several cancers over the past decade.

www.reuters.com...

Regardless of the cancer death being less than it once was I believe not enough is being done. There is proof that some things are working, quite possibly better than the traditional radiation and medication treatments.

I even mentioned briefly in this thread the use of venoms to treat and kill cancer.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Of course in that thread the discussion is about curry spice killing cancer cells. I still use curry daily for the most part rarely do I miss a day of using it on my foods.

Just a bit of information about the Copperhead in general. This link includes information about the snake, including photos of the consequences of a snake bite to the finger and a shot paragraph at the end talking about the cancer fighting properties in their venom.

Information has been published in medical journals for almost a decade, about the cancer-fighting properties of the Southern Copperheads venom. A protein in the venom called contortrostatin (CN) causes a disruption in the tumor cell's ability to adhere to and invade neighbor cells while also inhibiting the development of new blood vessels required to sustain the tumor."CN belongs to a class of proteins known as disintegrins, called that because they disrupt the function of certain other proteins, called integrins, on the surface of cells. Integrins are involved in the adhesive phenomenon of cells. CN is effective in retarding the spread of tumor cells because it inhibits their adhesion to and invasion of normal cells in the surrounding tissue. "

www.copperhead-snake.com...


Here are some additional links for those interested in the use of snake venom to fight cancer.
connection.ebscohost.com...
webspinners.com...
articles.latimes.com...

So now let's look at the use of scorpion venom to fight cancer.

In the same show I seen discussing the use of Southern Copperhead venom to fight cancer there was also mention of the use of scorpion venom to help fight brain cancer. In the show they interviewed a young man and his mother, the son who had the treatment for brain cancer and was a survivor thanks to the use of scorpion venom that attacked his brain cancer.

Cuban scientists have verified that the toxin in the venom of the Rophalorus junceus scorpion has an analgesic, anti-inflammatory and anti-tumoral effect.

Read more: latino.foxnews.com...

This website is dedicated solely to the use of scorpion venom to fight cancer.

Because this natural and alternative cancer treatment based on the blue scorpion venom, , has achieved amazing results without causing the side effects of conventional treatments.

www.escozul-cancer.com...

"Right now it is difficult for a surgeon to be able to distinguish a brain tumor from the normal brain tissue around it," says Dr. James Olson of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. He says that this situation often presents today's brain surgeon with an unenviable decision: choose either to cut aggressively, potentially damaging healthy brain tissue, or cut conservatively and run the risk of leaving tumor cells behind.

Enter T-601, the synthetic version of a chemical first found in the scorpion's sting.

For the scorpion, this property if its venom ensures a quick kill of its unfortunate prey. But subtract the poisonous components from the venom, and you have a perfect vehicle for penetrating the brain.

What's more, researchers have found that this chemical seeks out and binds to brain tumor cells.

abcnews.go.com...

If it is deemed that radiation must be used why not use it in a way that has better effects or better yet less adverse effects on the patient.

Patients could safely return home several hours after the procedure, according to Jackson, and their families would be exposed to no more radiation than is typical with a thyroid cancer patient going home after treatment. Patients showed no evidence of adverse reactions, Jackson reports, adding that 54 patients nationwide are currently in investigational trials for the therapy.

www.world-science.net...


Yes there is proof it works. Research has been done. It is working in the labs and has worked when tried on humans. Why do we keep holding back? Why do why give people treatments that make them suffer as much if not more than the cancer itself?

Niurys Monzon, 28, says she is a living proof that it works."I was eleven when I was diagnosed," she said, "and started taking Escozul when I was fifteen."
Her father, Jose Felipe Monzon told CNN that in 1992 her cancer of the pancreas had spread despite two years of chemotherapy, radiation treatment and three operations and that doctors had given up.
In desperation, he turned to a man named Misael Bordier, a biologist from Guantanamo who was experimenting with scorpion venom on cancerous tumors in rats and dogs.

articles.cnn.com...:HEALTH

The risk in using these forms of treatment is far less than the traditional uses.

Duane has a malignant glioma, a brain tumor that kills 98% of those who get it. After surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy failed, Duane learned of a new treatment using scorpion venom.

So far, 8 patients have undergone the experimental treatment at City of Hope and the University of Alabama in Birmingham. All but one of the patients are still alive.

www.wchstv.com...


The information is out there. Some has even been reported on mainstream media. The research is more than done; this stuff has been tested and proven to work on humans. Why are we not using it all the time now? Is it because the pharmaceutical companies are trying to keep it under wraps so that they can make more profit? In my opinion that is why.

Look at the number of commercials that come on now saying that if you used this drug and suffered this to call these lawyers. Look at all the side effects of drugs you see advertised today. The drugs themselves are most likely worse for you than the reason you are taking them. Look to those who are suffering cancer now. Most of them seem to feel worse once the treatments begin. It tears down the body; it makes them weak and vulnerable to sickness.

Cancer can be cured without the traditional treatments. There has to be some way to get this stuff out there so that more people are demanding better more efficient treatments be used.

Raist

It's like you said, why would you want to cure it when you bring in billions of dollars a years on medicines to treat it.

Just like energy, why would they release a new energy source that could be renewable when they can charge me 50 quid a week to fill up my car, sad world we live in.

Thank you, OP. I expect there are pre-grad university students and other experimenters that could make or have already made better progress in finding cancer cures than the establishment cancer foundations if their hands were not tied or if cures were actually being sought. Cancer is a cash cow that has long been decided for it to be milked and not slaughtered. Besides the economic benefits of such a policy cancer is a population-control tool as well.

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There has to be a way to change that though.

It is sickening that people are not getting informed about the different ways to treat cancer that is more beneficial than traditional methods.

I saw the show in the discovery channel many years ago. Since then I have yet to see it appear on the channel again. It seems that mainstream media picks up on one of these stories from time to time but they spend very little time on it. They briefly mention it and then it fades away again to not be seen for many more years.

I am not sure how 50 quid equals to U.S. dollars but that sounds crazy. I am glad I am not spending that much in dollars. I spend about $23 a week filling at the half way mark.

I mean I understand what you are talking about but we have to find a way to change this. We cannot keep having people spending years suffering and still dying in the end.

Raist

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Using cancer as a population control is a cruel and only half way effective. I can see it working if there were more deaths coming from cancer. It seems the number of cancer related deaths is dropping, while some forms of cancer are on the rise the number of over all deaths is dropping.

The drop in the number of deaths is a good thing and can certainly only be attributed to testing for cancer. Traditional cancer treatment can be effective if cancer is caught early enough. Sadly the treatments that are traditionally used today are terrible because of how they affect the rest of the patient's body. Often times people feel worse than before they were diagnosed with the cancer. The treatments today weaken the body and put the patient at risk of further disease.

I can though see it as a very depraved minds way of population control. Only a very sick minded individual would want to see the average person suffer the way many cancer patients suffer. I am not even sure I would subject some of the worst criminals to that sort of suffering.

It seems that nearly everything in our environment today is cancer causing or increases the risks of cancer. I am not even going to get into that (that is a can of worms left for some other thread). There has to be a way though to get non-traditional treatments to become a more mainstream and more broadly used form of treatment. We can educate people on different forms of treatment, but that seems to do little as many will trust their doctor over proven experiments and word of mouth about them. I am willing to hear any ideas and other forms of non-traditional methods of cancer treatment.

Raist

I have a friend from cambodia that told me they would mix snake venom in a shot of whiskey and drink it.
He also said that the gall bladder from certain creatures mixed with whiskey could heal and packed a hellva buzz.

Curing cancer and other diseases is not profitable. Treating, but not curing, these diseases is.

In the early 20th century, John D. Rockefeller established the American Medical Association, the Food and Drug Administration and the pharmaceutical industry to work hand in hand to produce untold wealth for himself. Here is a short video explaining how this was accomplished.

This documentary explains the Rockefeller influence on the health care industry, and particularly how safe alternatives have been silenced in favor of chemotherapy, radiation and surgery. Going back to the early twentieth century, this movie explains how it all got started, and why we are in our current health care predicament. It then provides cures for those suffering with cancer.

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I'm might of over exaggerated but fuel is still very expensive, when I was in the USA years back 50 pound came to about 80-90 dollars.

I don't think there is much we can do, I've read many threads on here of people researching new sources of energy or cures who have mysteriously died in so called 'accidents', if I was a researcher I would be reluctant to start research on something other people may not take kindly to!

I'm no expert but I think cancer is on the rise because of certain things like : rapid population growth, poor lack of looking after our body's - more people smoking, drinking, overweight and lack of exercise. Also all the pollution in the atmosphere can not be helping us in any way.

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To add to your list, I will post a recent thread of mine.

Viable Cancer Cure Finally Available?!?!

Gc-MAF injections are by far the most successful method I have found, curing all types of cancer. It has also been used successfully with Autism, CFS, XMRV, Lyme disease, Aids, HIV, Fibromyalgia, as well as other diseases.

Anyway, your question of 'why the treatments are unheard of' has pretty much been answered. There's far more money treating the sick, than curing them. Side effects are the lifeblood of the medical industry. Anything that works efficiently is ignored or shunned.

Gc-MAF has been researched since 1993. Research was published in 1997. Initial tests successfully cured 16 terminally ill cancer patients with remission occurring no earlier than four years. It recently finally went on the market for pre-clinical testing... out of Belgium. US pharmaceutical companies would never go near this stuff.

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the factual 'truth' is that Doctors only Treat diseases.... their job is NOT to 'cure' them


2nd line... read & understand the
Hippocratic Oath and the mindset of the Pharmaceutical Industry which lays out the program for medical Doctors and the limits of their abilities to 'treat' disease.... use RXs a much as possible=== forsake all natural remedies under penalty of expulsion from the Doctor Life Time

That's quite interesting, nobody can patent the venom (well actually Monsanto probably could). If big pharma doesn't see it as profitable then its unlikely to ever be commonplace, the media won't support it (who are sponsored by various pharmaceutical companies), doctors won't have it "sold" to them at pharma lunches and patients won't even know about it.

I've no doubt we could be doing better regarding cancer research. I've recently had "large celled anaplastic lynphoma" I've had two different skin lesions. Both were treated with radiation. Due it being on the surface, a type of radiation was used that was less penetrating, hence less collateral damage.

On the doctor level, far different than the research/pharmacutical strata, if he suggests an alternative treatment, ie one not in the hospitals' protocols, and it isn't effective, he personally is libel, instead of the hospital/clinic. Alternative treatments seem to be equally "hit and miss", therefore if it misses, the Doctors would rather any "exposure" be the hospital's not their's. In other words the problem is systemic as much a conspiracy. perhaps both.

I went the "acid" route. No, not that one, the baking soda on a daily basis to rid the body of excess acid levels. The other theory being mineral shortages which inhibit the body's natural ability to remove excess acid from the system, I went with an ionic liquid fulvic acid for about six months concurrent with the baking soda both during and after the radiation treatments. So far, there's been no repeat lesions or Lynph node problems. As Lynphoma is a blood disorder based on an immune system failure, there's no prediction on future problems as I get older. All's well and perhaps what I took concurrently with tradition treatment,(sans chemo), has helped .Who knows?

My point is there are systemic barriers as well to cancer cures....

Here's the mother load of alternative cancer treatment sites

www.cancertutor.com...

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I am a Doctor and have seen some incredible results from patients that instead of chemo they opted for frankincense. I had one patient Dx with brain cancer and was sent home with 6 wks to live and nothing could be done. His wife heard of essential oils (of which only one company is therpeutic- towhere you can take them internally) and he drank 1 bottle three times a day(tid) after 4 wks he went in for a check up and after Cscan he was cancer free. This is one of many......you cannot make a synthetic substitute so the FDA won't approve for treatment.... Drug companies won't research it.
Drug companies are making trillions in cancer treatments....IMHO I believe all cancer drugs and treatments should be free..Afterall we contribute to charities, government grants, endowments, university and college research......then why is a shot $5,000.00? The drug companies say it is because of research, but isn't that already paid for??? If there was a drink that all you had to do is drink it two weeks and you would be cancer free, would they let it out on the market? No, because there is too much money being made in the name of research!
There is more money in keeping a disease at bay than in curing. If drugs were meant to cure then why do we have to take them the rest of our lives?
My profession is going down hill fast due to Big Pharma, And yes they are powerful.
The same goes for Diabetes, MS, MDA, etc......

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Why after all these years we have not improved past radiation and chemo??? Think about it after trillions were spent we are still doing what was done 50 years ago....

Great information. I know there has to be other compounds found in nature, plants and animals, that have properties that would treat and prevent just about everything we have or will encounter. The problem is, as you said, that no one wants to do the work of actually producing these drugs if there is less profit to be made from it as opposed to the mainstream treatment.

I feel that these methods could not be utilized by ordinary people, since obtaining and extracting chemicals from venom is probably pretty difficult. I don't think they make an idiot's guide to killing cancer by extracting chemicals from venom...Not that I'm aware of anyway. But if the compound or chemical has been identified, it could be produced synthetically, but it would still require the pharmaceutical industry's cooperation...

Since letting yourself get bitten by a venomous creature is out of the question, do you know of any options that are being developed, or that are already out there? Also, one huge problem is that it seems that certain chemicals only work for killing certain types of cancers. There are quite a few different kinds of cancer, and it seems to me that if it is possible to kill one type, any other type probably has a treatment out there as well...Just waiting to be discovered. Thanks again for the thread, as I had never heard of the benefits of venom as a cancer fighting agent.

Nice, never saw these info before :tup:

Pretty impressive when you think about it, trying to cure fire with fire.
The whisky / venom shot made me think about late Popcorn Sutton old remedy with moonshine, honey + a couple more things, it was not obvious to decipher what he was saying

So to answer OP question.
We live in a world out of balance,
Its sad when you think about it but people in society does not become a pharmacist, a doctor, a police, a medic a anything to save peoples lives. They do it for themselves and solely for those who can give benefits.
Dont get me wrong tho. There is a few Jack Shepard out there.
Unfortunately, they are probably tormented thinking they are alone, lost, in a place where everything seems hypocrites.
Where the big pharma poison and weakens you. Food company sodium-ize you. Army kills you. Govs remove freedom from you. And at the same time, making/taking money from you
It is in our genes and value to exploit this scheme to thrive in this out of balance world.

this is just a ride.
peace

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This guy has an awesome message that the human body was designed divenely to heal itself and we can help it along the way through nutrition and faith.
In a personal time of failing health i turned to GOD and acknowledged him as the almighty and turned my thoughts to my future after i healed and it worked.I also imagined all the disease in my body being forced down from the top of my head down through my feet and rolling out on the floor. no bs
I do believe that faith and accepting his will is our greatest tool.

www.brightsideben.com...

reply to post by Raist

Nontraditional cancer treatments virtually unheard of. Why?

You don't mean 'non-traditional'; you mean 'non-scientific'.

Because they don't work, that's why. People testify about how well they're doing after treatment X, Y or Z, and a year later they're dead. Doesn't help the publicity machine along much, you know.