My little sister gets suspended for conspiracy theorizing...?

Originally posted by verschickter
I can´t hold back that some parts of your story feel construed. Very construed. This is just my feeling, no accusation!

As a father of two kids I let my kids be kids. They know about this site, but since they can´t speak english yet its not that bad. You, as her brother should protect her in any ways. This means, let her be a child.

SISTER...only... about 18 herself?About 7 years older then her sister...Not the Dad or..way older brother whole different thing.

Originally posted by BoyTheEarthTalksTo
Your sister should make a YouTube video about her experiences in school? If the video goes viral, it will help spread the information.

.... and get her expelled from school and sent to a mental institution....

Originally posted by research100
she is a child..... let her be a child......we have to be adults for such a LONG time.....you taught her that christmas and easter is evil?????? I can't get past that........what is the point of telling a child this??????

Well that is the way of it. To teach kids about false "gods" that do magic and aren't bound by the normal rules governing physics or society? Like Santa and Easter Bunny. That is the first time the kids realize their parents lie to them. The question on every kids mind when their "world" is shattered. Why do parents tell us that if its not true? How do you think that effects their knowledge of truth?

Then later they learn about all the other magical fake dieties. Like Mickey Mouse and Superman (my era) and what is it today? That we are all Xmen or wolves inside? None of that crap is true, why do we need it?

Because when we were little , our parents first taught us to believe in a fat man from the North Pole who flies around up in the air and comes down your chimney and leaves toys...

And all those who think, "Awww, its okay, they're just kids, and, "Everyone does it."?
You should be ashamed at telling lies to children like that. Bite your tongue.

reply to post by Domo1

No one should have to keep things to themselves. Knowledge knows no age and teaching kids things like this will only make them more curious and maybe look past the status quo and most important of all, question things they are taught. I think the little girl just insulted the teachers intelligence so she has to lash out and use whatever power she has to try and stop that from happening. I would much rather have children learn about more complex things rather than the everyday popularity contest that goes around in schools all across america. Some of these kids start learning some horrible cuss words and cruelty and most of those kids don't get suspended for anything, believe me my niece has had some horrible things said to her because of her epilepsy and i feel sad that it's OK for them to show a total lack of empathy yet when a little girl questions her teacher and gets suspended you say she should keep it to herself. Just laughable

Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by SoymilkAlaska

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

Ignorant people fear wise people, always have.

Fear for your sister was expressed. Not fear of her.
So is it you, who are "instructing" her, the one who is wise? That seems to be what you meant.

phage, seriously?

are you saying OP made her sister do evil stuff?

i don't personally think thats the case at all.

honestly phage your getting really mean.

This is the new Phage the old Phage gave out concise facts...never opinions and never emotionaly charged. How many Phages are there behind the name?

edit on 10-6-2012 by Char-Lee because: (no reason given)

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Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX

 

Ignorant people fear wise people, always have.

Fear for your sister was expressed. Not fear of her.
So is it you, who are "instructing" her, the one who is wise? That seems to be what you meant.

Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
reply to post by Phage

 

That isn't just my belief system. Those are facts. Neither of those holidays are Christian, they are both Pagan.

And the reason I worded it so bluntly (Easter being evil, Christmas being unholy) is because that's the way she made it sound when she re-told the story. She made it seem a bit more extreme than I intended.

I thought that was implied.

Notice that she made it more extreme then intended... that should tell you something

A picture of my step daughter when she was 12 come to my mind. I had put her on a week of phone restriction. Her reaction was to raise her fist in the air and scream out for justice from Jesus.........

"Dear lord JEEEEEEZUS, pray for you to come and smite this "Whore of Babylon" with your mighty RIGHTEOUSNESSSSSSSSS!" etc.........

She got 2 weeks of phone restriction as a result.

In my mind the OP's sister is challenging the truth of the curriculum, the text book and the teacher. She is disrupting the lesson plan and calling it lies, and maybe even calling the teacher a harbinger of these lie. She is alienating all the other Christian children, who now have to be set straight by their parents, and is general a bad influence in class.

She may be acting out in an aggressive, sassy manner, believing herself to be in the know of the "real" truth, so as to push the teacher's buttons. After all, teachers are only people, not divinely appointed saints, just people with a calling that have a job to do.

thanks purple......you said it!!!!!...... there's no good reason on earth to put the word conspiracy in a get well card for a teacher....she did it as a jab.......total lack of consideration and compassion for a fellow human being who was ill........this is what the sibling has taught the younger sibling.

the older sister....I think you initially meant well...you said you never learned about conspiracies and wanted to teach your sister.....here is the thing.....you don't go to the total opposite extreme......neither is good

Originally posted by whyamIhere

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Reddupo
You work to rush a child into the claws of stress, worldly-things, and paranoia before age takes her there?

Awesomely pithy!

Yet it misses the mark by miles

Teaching a child "Critical Thinking" can be done without the "Claws of Stress".

They now make wonderful medicines for anyone that "Can't handle worldly things".

And to top that off...It assumes that age leads you straight to paranoia...

It doesn't miss anything.

Its exactly to the point as far as it goes.

Excuse me for not dumping more crap on a perfect statement - - - that is not in whole the Gettysburg address.

reply to post by windword

So then they should stick to the three R's... reading writing and arithmetic. Leave all else to later.

If they read they can find out on their own.
If they write they can ask questions.
And if they can add they can add it all up.

Teachers are ridiculous with conspiracies and the sort. I remember in high school I got sent to the principals office for not standing up when we had to say the pledge. I mean the person on the mic says "please stand for the pledge" it doesn't mean I have to, and I shouldn't have to if I don't want to, but schools follow text books, therefore they will act this way towards conspiracy theorists. I hope your sister doesn't give up the fight. Good luck to you both.

Teachers have been under hardcore indoctrination and decades of extreme left wing propaganda, so it is no surprise this has happened..

The teachers unions all spew a never ending stream of propaganda at teachers, they tell them who to vote for, what to vote for, etc...

The end result is all these people towing the company line for whatever agenda or affiliations are present in the unions..

I would expect there to be CIA or NSA involvement in this to see it happen in order to "preserve" their status quo..

Those agencies have their hands in every pie and are exerting influence wherever and anywhere they can to do that..

Just look at how left or right has large portions of folks all towing some bandwagon theme and belief without questioning it..

I think right or left has this so that people never see outside that microcosm.. Brought to us by some very devious and smart, but corrupt people...

The ok thing would have been to help her have an open mind and question everything in a good manner, and learning that at a young age can be rewarding later on in life. There is ways in which you can do this and if you did it the right way we wouldn't have this topic now would we?

reply to post by locololo

Originally posted by locololo
reply to post by Murgatroid

 

As a teenager, who was a kid and remembers it, I understand exactly what you meant. I knew what 9/11 was, I knew what the invasion meant, I even knew and understood the death and such of the atomic bomb, and researched it because to me it was amazing turning point of American technology, though my parents never even spoke about the bomb, I learned of it from the internet.

I agree completely though, children understand more because they possess nothing to corrupt them.

Truly amazing that some of the young people on ATS have far more wisdom than most adults. locololo (a Highschool Student BTW) made a remarkable statement: "because they possess nothing to corrupt them". I think there is something very important here that we should pay attention to. Thanks locololo, yes some of us ARE pay attention to the wisdom that our youth in America.

Originally posted by windword

A picture of my step daughter when she was 12 come to my mind. I had put her on a week of phone restriction. Her reaction was to raise her fist in the air and scream out for justice from Jesus.........

"Dear lord JEEEEEEZUS, pray for you to come and smite this "Whore of Babylon" with your mighty RIGHTEOUSNESSSSSSSSS!" etc.........

LOL - - yeah I'm raising a 12 year old granddaughter who just got her phone taken away for 2 weeks - - then another week because of her behavior/actions when discussing her getting it back.

However - - in regards to "justice from Jesus" - - - I was watching Parking wars where they were having a Baptist revival convention. I'm sure you get the picture

Originally posted by verschickter
reply to post by SpaceJockey1

 

But what you do is different to what he´s doing to his sister. Animating them to ask questions is NOT the same as teaching them conspiracy theories. For sure, there will be only that conspiracy theories thought that her brother deems true.

She´s to young to be concerned with such things. Reality will hit her soon enough.

You know we are all different, coming from different back grounds. I am thinking maybe those from cushy home life's are more angry at a child of age 7-10 having been taught unconventional stuff.

My father died a horrible death when I was 7, I had a family of 5 kids at the time and a non-Mother..not a drinker or druggy or party-er just a Mother who acted as though you were not even there. She never looked at me ever, never touched me ever, never even got angry at me...nothing and there were no rules, I didn't even need to come home if i didn't feel like it.

When I was still 7 she remarried for a year had another kid...another sister and divorced, one month pregnant with my youngest sister. My step- father left behind a set of the works of all the worlds great authors, an antique set in leather bound 24 books about 6 " thick each. I read them all, started at age 8 and read the last at age 10. I did not understand authors work like Poe and his stuff was scary, but thought provoking...the language in most of the writing was very old English and difficult to follow so I had to re-read a lot.

I did understand and what I didn't I thought on and understood later. I told my younger sisters all the weird stuff I read, because that's what sisters do...talk, especially sisters from a home with one non-Mother 7 kids and very hungry for food and affection we would never get.

I also read the bible at age 11 all the way through, very confusing stuff...but made me want more information and to understand more.

Originally posted by Furbs

That may be her intention, but it doesn't seem to be the result. What she appears to be teaching the student is how to get suspended from school for being inappropriate. If you want to teach a child to think, teach them how to think. Give them those tools.

The OP is simply filling the child's head with a contrary set of information to what she is being taught in school without the tools needed to make a judgement on which set of information is correct. This can often result in what is know as cognitive dissonance when two people she trusts to have the correct information are giving her conflicting accounts of reality. It will hinder her ability to trust and learn, much of like what happened with the OP herself.

these statements appear a bit presumptuous, in my opinion.

using the measures of socially appropriate or socially acceptable to judge a belief's validity seem to directly contradict the idea of learning.
we do NOT attend school to learn what to think, but we attend in order to learn how to think.

learning should be self-directed, not enforced by status quo.
although children do tend to adopt an older model's opinions and beliefs without quantification, the young lady in question could possess substantial opinions based on long circular thought processes.

we only have information about the OP, not the young lady who was punished for stating her beliefs.

suspending a child from school....
taking away a child's ability to educate themselves simply because they dare to speak a minorty belief is much more detrimental to a child's cognitive development than the behavior of the OP.

although both situations certainly rob the child from developing a personalized belief, which can effect development of healthy self-esteem...
the condemning actions of the teacher and administrators are much more likely to reinforce dysfunctional reactions and perceptions toward both authority figures and social institutions.

this process is called transfer.

you are correct.
the OP seems to be giving the young lady contrary information to the status quo while not teaching the critical thinking skills that are necessary to question the status quo.
however... the teacher is demonstrating the EXACT same behavior while also using punishment to modify a "socially inappropriate" behavior.

this type of logic is highly flawed because the teacher is not only teaching the child by using absolutes, but the teacher has the ability to punish the child as a means to facilitate cooperative behaviors.

i read earlier that someone made the comment that the child was out of line.
the child's comment was seen as a sarcastic response to the teacher's perception of history.

this is equally ludicrous.

the child should be praised for having the courage to express a contrary opinion.

ultimately, it is the teacher who is responsible for teaching the young lady critical thinking skills.
it is NOT the responsibility of the sibling to do this.

both the amount and degree of criticism being aimed at the OP in this thread are un-necessary and without merit.

explain to me how celebrating the birth of the Messiah unholy.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Anunaki10

 

You don't see a huge difference between art and painting and conspiracy theories which are most likely not true?

Thus called THEORIES...

reply to post by kyviecaldges

ultimately, it is the teacher who is responsible for teaching the young lady critical thinking skills.
it is NOT the responsibility of the sibling to do this.

Perhaps the teacher has been trying to do so.
Perhaps the "instruction" of the sister has interfered. Perhaps an attitude engendered by the "instruction" of the sister is a problem.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
btw, your sister got suspended for giving the teacher a sarcasm rasperry on a get well card, not "conspiracy theorizing"

So sarcasm is a big enough offence to have you expelled now days? Maybe the teacher needs to get a thicker skin.