Law of Attraction and Magical thinking

Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by QuantumSeeker

 

About a year a go I watched a movie “Secret” and since then I'm still thinking very hard about winning the lottery... But for some reason it's not happening.

Just relax and everything is going to be alright.

According to Law of Attraction, if you are thinking 'hard' then you are putting in negative vibrations. It has to be a knowing, you have to feel as if you KNOW that you will win or as if you have already WON.

Desire is building up the energy; Letting Go is sending it and letting it bring things into your life.

I personally believe that the best way to live is simple. Nature builds all complex things from simplicity. The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single foot step.

By Law of Attraction, if you want something you have to put out the good vibration.

If you keep a simple happy vibration, you'll keep attracting that. When things get negative, don't ignore it, but be simple about it and it'll become easier to approach and most of the bad feeling will go away.

reply to post by ErroneousDylan


That's true.

I wasn't implying that try to make yourself feel positive is a bad idea. I was trying to be honest and explain that because one is trying to act or think positively, in an attempt to feel positive, doesn't mean there is no negativity happening to them; except that they're able to deceive themselves into valuing things differently. Which isn't such a bad idea.

Originally posted by Niobis
reply to post by QuantumSeeker

 

To answer the questions, yes, beyond a doubt in my mind LoA is true and works. Why? Because it's gave me success and failure. All of which I "preplanned". As ErroneousDylan said, it's as much about feeling as it is about thinking.

You shouldn't be paranoid about hurting others. Thinking and feeling paranoid about bad happenings, will through LoA, will allow bad happenings. LoA is selfish. Help yourself and you'll be helping others.

So if someone worries that eating an apple will somehow cause a meteor to crash on earth do you think that would happen?
As for success and failure ,don;t you think it could be coincidence?Or the possibility that some beings pick up your thoughts and influence certain events in a certain way?

reply to post by UltimateSkeptic1


Good answer.
I would add that you can cancel a negative thought with a positive one because the LOA is not instamatic. You dont think something and boom it happens, it comes around in time, the way LOA is meant to work. So just counter negative thoughts with positive ones.
Its the thoughts that you give a great amount of emotion to that have the greatest effect on our lives. If you are constantly angry at someone and think about being angry with that person, or even have imaginary arguments with that person in your mind, you probably do influence the relationship to a great extent. If you on the other hand spend time imagining a good time, perhaps making love, or having a nice dinner together, that too will have an effect on the relationship. Emotion holds the key to the LOA always. The issues you give the most emotion to will see the biggest changes.

reply to post by maxella1


Which reminds me of a joke:
So this guy Aaron prays every day "Lord, please let me win the lottery, please" This goes on for years.
One day, Aaron complains to his friend that the Lord does not answer his prayers. He tells his friend of his constant prayer to win the lottery and that the Lord ignores him.
That night Aaron again beseeches the Lord to allow him to win the lottery. He finishes by saying, I guess its your will that I remain poor. Please try to communicate to me why I cannot win the lottery.
Aaron is blown away when he finally hears from the Lord. Aaron my son, the Lord says, buy a ticket !

reply to post by TRGreer


Remember, Mother Teresa would not join in an anti war rally because of the negative connections to war. Her words, Call me when you rally for peace rather than against war.

reply to post by QuantumSeeker


They would have to really really believe that eating an apple would cause a meteor to crash to earth. Since the probability of that happening are pretty slim the belief would just not be strong enought to manifest that event. Thankfully it takes a lot of emotion and thought to get LOA to work properly for your goals.

Originally posted by LesMisanthrope
reply to post by ErroneousDylan

 

That's true.

I wasn't implying that try to make yourself feel positive is a bad idea. I was trying to be honest and explain that because one is trying to act or think positively, in an attempt to feel positive, doesn't mean there is no negativity happening to them; except that they're able to deceive themselves into valuing things differently. Which isn't such a bad idea.

I understand. If what I got from your previous posts are correct, I agree. Trying to suppress natural negative feelings is very unhealthy. It's just that supposedly, the LoA works with any feeling, be them positive or negative. So if you think about something negative, you may get it. Then again, if you are having the feelings there is a reason for it and you shouldn't try to deny them. I agree.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


There is no deception at all. I don't have a get out of negativity free card. It is my opinion that the human species seems to thrive when they are positive. Its not that I deny the negative its more of a what can I learn from this or how can this set back be utilized in a positive way. Humanity has had a long history of dwelling on negativity. "Life is suffering with short moments of happiness." This is a great example of dwelling in negativity. Another part of it is not expecting anything in return. Just do it because its a good thing and not because it makes you feel good to help. Just because it was the positive thing to do. These things are not easy to practice because we are all dealing with our own short comings. Anger, greed, envy, etc. No I wouldn't call it deception.

reply to post by karen61057


I couldn't agree more Mom T. It seems to me that more can be accomplished if we all tried to live positively. I am not saying I live with blinders on or that I don't deal with my emotions. For example one of the hardest things for me to let go of was a fear of losing people I love. It ate away at me for most of my adult life and I really didn't even find out what was vexing me exactly until about 4 years ago. I had a pain but couldn't define it. I began to read and look into different religions and philosophies. I then read the book Spontaneous evolution. That was a pivotal moment for me. I started exploring totally out of my box. I found a way to accept my fear as something I need. Fear keeps us safe from harm but my fear wasn't needed in that capacity anymore. I was then able to let it go

Originally posted by TRGreer
reply to post by LesMisanthrope

 

There is no deception at all. I don't have a get out of negativity free card. It is my opinion that the human species seems to thrive when they are positive. Its not that I deny the negative its more of a what can I learn from this or how can this set back be utilized in a positive way. Humanity has had a long history of dwelling on negativity. "Life is suffering with short moments of happiness." This is a great example of dwelling in negativity. Another part of it is not expecting anything in return. Just do it because its a good thing and not because it makes you feel good to help. Just because it was the positive thing to do. These things are not easy to practice because we are all dealing with our own short comings. Anger, greed, envy, etc. No I wouldn't call it deception.

It still sounds like deception to me. It sounds like someone is lowering the bar of what they value as positive. So what they once called negative is now, in their mind, positive. Thinking positively doesn't change the fact that negative things do happen.

No matter how hard one thinks positively, it doesn't help change a negative situation into a positive one. It merely gets disguised as something positive. One needs to deceive himself to make it so. Personally, I'd rather look at a situation rationally, and acknowledge if the results will either be positive or negative, and make an attempt to fix the situation from there. Rationality—not merely being positive—will yield better results.

the law of attraction is favoritism from limited perception. All sorts of things are going on around you that directly conflict with plausibility of certain desires, but if you ignore those things then you have a very convincing realm of evidence that suggests that what you notice was "attracted" and not just noticed because you were already looking for it/already had it on your mind.

reply to post by LesMisanthrope


It seems like you have formed an opinion of me but I wonder what its based on? Maybe its best to agree that we disagree on this topic. I thank you for your perspective and enjoy many of your post. I look forward to disagreeing with you on many more topics.

reply to post by QuantumSeeker


For the most part, yes. the law of attraction is real. What goes around comes around, birds of a feather....all that. But since it's not scientifically proven there's always going to be some doubt in peoples' minds as to whether it's real.

As far as your magical thinking is concerned, I've come to learn that there are scientific and medical explanations for things that once used to be looked upon as magical or mystical. Unexplained. For example, it's been proven that the human heart gives out electrical impulses that can be picked up by another heart. In essence, two hearts talking to each other. They don't know yet why some hearts will pick up on this while others don't, but they do know it happens. Maybe you have to be on the same "wavelength". Who knows. We all know that love is a real emotion, but now we know a little about the science behind it. It helps explain why some people are truly attracted to some people while not attracted to others.

This is why I'm not really into all that magical and superstitious stuff the way I used to be. I used to be able to do tarot readings and, for reasons I still can't explain, the readings were spot on. Maybe someday they'll find a scientific explanation for how those cards work, but for the time being it's kind of neat to know there are things out there you just can't explain.

You just can't sit there and think about them all the time though. Like UltimateSkeptic1 said, you have to go out and DO what you want to accomplish. Speculating on any negative effects of what you do on other people is rather pointless IMO. ( Sorry, that's an awkward sentence I don't know how to fix right now ) The bottom line is, if you have positive thoughts and feelings that lead to positive actions which in turn have a negative effect on other people, that would be their problem now wouldn't it? If that happens, I'd find a different class of people to associate with, because you're obviously out of your element if YOUR positive actions have a NEGATIVE impact on other people.

Think about it.

Well,it has nothing to do with associate with other people.Btw,I think this OCD would not develop until this stage if I have some religion (well,the likes of theravada buddhism might not help in this case however)that I really believed on,I mean c'mon there got to be a limited range of topics we can manifest,if not there has to be some spirit/God etc. that kinda filter the nonsense out.

reply to post by QuantumSeeker


I think you need to seek professional help, what you are typing sounds like ocd but it also sounds like someone who is on the edge of a psychologic breakdown. Your story is a mess with a lot of "if i do this then that will happen or will it be like that other thing which will happen and if this other thing will happen what will be next?".

I am sorry to say, but you sound psychotic. Stop reading ATS , stop using internet for a while and go to a REAL docter and not to some fat internet fake who thinks he is a docter....

Originally posted by yougetwhatyoudeserve
reply to post by QuantumSeeker

 

I think you need to seek professional help, what you are typing sounds like ocd but it also sounds like someone who is on the edge of a psychologic breakdown. Your story is a mess with a lot of "if i do this then that will happen or will it be like that other thing which will happen and if this other thing will happen what will be next?".

I am sorry to say, but you sound psychotic. Stop reading ATS , stop using internet for a while and go to a REAL docter and not to some fat internet fake who thinks he is a docter....

Its ok,maybe I am psychotic,I don't know ,in fact I don't care!lol ,I mean if I am psychotic,but things are fine then there is nothing to worry about ,so basically my question is this does superstition operate by LoA,then if I worry excessively about whether doing A cause B would be like considered as manifesting some sort of....you know?

I don't really expect to really get an answer,but I have to try my best,I mean psychological help did not help me,they try to solve my ocd,but I am more concern of LoA,which most of them thinks is bull@#$% anyway.

Thnks anyway,sometimes I feel like being psychotic(as lognas I does not spill some embarassing information about myself and that kind of stuff) and and worry about something that is definitely be proven to be wrong and get treated ,rather than be normal and ruminating about something that I afraid normal human might not be able to answer.

Cheers

As far as I'm concerned all this stuff about a Law of Attraction is a bunch of nonesense! If there was such a thing there would be no starvation in the world, as people would only have to think about receiving food. The only ones to gain anything from this new age crap are those who were first to jump on the bandwagon, by recording tapes and c.d's on the subject.

Originally posted by TRGreer
reply to post by LesMisanthrope

 

It seems like you have formed an opinion of me but I wonder what its based on?

Absolutely not sir! I'm just picturing myself in that situation and with that mind-frame. My conclusions in no way reflect what you would do in that situation, but what I would do. If for some reason you feel I'm describing you, it just means we're a lot alike.

I look forward to disagreeing with you as well.

Btw,one of the reason I did not give up the "current topic" that I worry about,is I know that if I do,there is a high chance that my OCD might march onwards and try to cause even more trouble to me,so never retreat,never give up..............