My experiences with 2 what could only be Angels.

reply to post by DetectiveT


I understand what you are saying about everything doesn't have to be explained with "supernatural phenomenon". Some things are natural and simply appear supernatural. Did you read my story on page 6? Can you explain that? Can you tell me that it was a natural occurance? Maybe the OP cut some corners in his story because it would have been entirely too long to explain the entire encounters. I could have added more to my story, but instead have decided to wait for the appropriate time to share, simply because people always say they hate to read a "wall of text".

I have seen a number of spirits in my time that I thought were real people. In one case it was weeks later. There is a hotel in a small town that overlooks a park . We were playing volleyball and after everyone left and it was just turning to dusk only me and one other guy remained to take down the net and clean up from the BBQ.

I kept getting this funny feeling to look up at this building like something was trying to grab my attention. When I did I saw this woman standing in an open window, looking out. The windows were the kind that split down the middle and open out with no screens. She was standing there dressed in a what I can only call a billowy dress like from a long time ago. She had a tight waist and lacy blouse with billowy sleeves. Her hair was dark and pinned up in a bun. As she stood there with her arms resting on the open window halves, I saw her turn and look at me, then look up the valley to her left and then back at me again. I began to notice there was this subtle blue background lighting behind her that I thought was a room light.

I remember looking away and back several times, kind of struck by the whole of it; her appearance and dress, the light behind her, staring at me. I even said to my friend, "Hey look at that up there." To which he responded, "I'm not looking at that." Like he knew she was there but didn't want to see her. I kept on insisting to look but let it go, he wouldn't look. So we went back to cleaning up and when I next looked up I was surprised to see that she was gone, the windows were closed and the light was gone from the room. It was totally dark. That was just as odd as seeing her. It was sudden like.

So I thought huh, and dismissed it. It is a quaint old town with historical monuments and such and a tourist spot for rich people from the east coast. I thought anyone that can afford that room must be rich and weird (for the apparel).

A couple of weeks later I was sitting at a bar with that same friend. We were on lunch break and eating a burger when I heard the bartender talking to a gentleman seated at the bar about the lady in the hotel that people see looking out the window. I bout fell off my chair. I listened for a moment more before saying, " I think I saw that."

He went on to describe in detail how that hotels top floor was haunted by this lady that committed suicide there after waiting for her husband to return from gold mining. Apparently they rented the room together and he used to go up the valley every day to work mining. One day he never returned. She waited for him for some time (I can't remember how long). Every day she would be seen by the locals on her lonely vigil at the window looking intently up the valley waiting for her man to appear. He never did and one day she ended it, taking her own life rather then continue with out him.

I kept asking the man for more details but all he could tell me was that people still see her from time to time, in the room. He wanted to know my story in detail and I told him. The man he was first telling the tale to kept crying foul, repeating that me and the bar tender were locals conspiring about this and I kept saying no, it really happened. I finally asked my friend to back me up about it. He was there with me and after some time and prodding, finally said, yah I saw it too. Like it was a bad experience for him.

I still don't know why I got to see that, she was so real to me I thought I was a looking at a real person. There seems to be no point to it. Just one of those things I chalk up to experience of the unknown in my life.

reply to post by Ladysophiaofsandoz


Hi Ladysophia,

I can hear your hurt and confusion. I think everyone experiences this at one time or another. Sometimes it seems like the pain and the struggle will never end.

I encourage you to seek God out personally, that is the only way to understand.

GOD CANNOT BE EXPLAINED, HE CAN ONLY BE EXPERIENCED.

In the Bible GOD says: Call on me and I WILL ANSWER YOU and show you the great and mighty things which thou knowest not.

If you want answers you need to go to the source.

Even if you read on the war in Heaven and the Battle between God and Satan you will realize that every bad thing that happens here happens because of Satan and NOT God.

God is a legalist and we gave Satan legal rights to this world after sin entered the world in the Garden of Eden. God is a legalist so much that he gives us free choice and if we don't want him he will give us our space. He doesn't force our love, obedience, or anything. He makes the rules and follows His own rules. The choice is yours, not his.

Remember that God doesn't kill people, people kill people, drugs kill people, drunk driving kills people, greed and corruption kills people. Each person has a choice. Just like Eve had a choice whether to eat or not to eat. Nothing from Him is forced.

If he doesn't force man's decisions, why should He take 100% of the blame for the consequences(war,famine,death) of man's decisions.

Yet even still He sent His son to die so that all of us can have eternal life. According to the Laws of Heaven the only way to get rid of sin is for something to die. He is a legalist. So, He sent His Son to die once and for all for EVERYONE. Once we leave this world, which we handed over to Satan, we will move on to His world which is not defiled and corrupted by evil.

When you truly come to know Him, things will be so much clearer. EVEN IF YOU DON'T AGREE, you will come to respect His decisions.

reply to post by DetectiveT


I certainly wasn't trying to suggest you leave the thread, just found that so many other testimonies, in the thread as well, I really don't understand the necessity of anyone coming on and saying they don't believe in something. Still I apologize for anything that upset you.

reply to post by newsoul


Since you asked me a direct question I'll reply. I just read your story and I don't see anything to indicate to me that you are lying. I can't prove it true or not but I get the impression you truly believe what had happened and expressed it clearly. Unlike what I saw in the OP. That's what bothers me about it and why I felt the need to point it out. If I as someone who acknowledges can see the flaws in the story you know hardcore skeptics will see it more and how does it look when people blindly accept it? Not one person argued against my points. I put them out there and if they were proven untrue so be it. I'd admit it. Fake stories whether they are written with good intentions or not I feel do more of a disservice to people who do have genuine stories; myself included. Instead of believing every story we'd gain more credibility by actively analyzing every story including our own. If I wrote of my encounters I'd welcome skeptics. Maybe I was wrong and it was x,y or z who could say. At the end of the day after some discussion we couldn't reach some agreement then we could agree to disagree.

Can you tell me that an angel saying that only he in the whole world would have made that choice doesn't smell a little fishy?

If you thought I was being lied to I'd want you to point it out to me. People say they want truth and that was all I was trying to get at but it seems people would rather have pretty little stories true or not.

If what you say really happened and not merely a hallucination or fantasy, and who you claim them to be is true, then your story pisses me off.

Who knows, maybe you are the next Noah or Jonah. Either way, the idea behind what you claim makes me mad.

Originally posted by DetectiveT

Can you tell me that an angel saying that only he in the whole world would have made that choice doesn't smell a little fishy?

If you thought I was being lied to I'd want you to point it out to me. People say they want truth and that was all I was trying to get at but it seems people would rather have pretty little stories true or not.

I don'd find that fishy. We are all different, and only certain people are close enough to an accident to get there in time, out of those people maybe only one of them at that exact moment and mind state would react in time.

My lie detector didn't go off.

I think the main thing is your starting view point that is in a different place than mine. I'm not looking at this story like he is special in the least, nor claiming as much. It's just something that happens.

My mom ran out of gas once and coasted to a stop. about 200 ft ahead of here to the side of the off ramp was a gas tanker truck that had it's tires being changed due to a flat. The guy gave her gas right there...

I would call that an angel haha. That wasn't even the guys route. He was supposed to be there a day earlier. But it was near christmas and something about his daughter and seeing her.

Was he an angel? was he a man just trying to get to his daughter? Maybe a broader perspective would help here. God works in strange ways. Coincidence is more rare than people think.

I'm pointing out to you that I think you are wrong. You don't have to accept other peoples beliefs. They don't need yours either. Saying things like "I can tell you believe what you are saying." Is a back stab. It's like a back handed compliment.



NOW:
If the title of this thread said "Angels Are REAL Proof!" Then I wouldn't defend the OP against the skeptics at all. He would deserve it. This isn't about that. Nothings so black and white. It's all grey my friend. Words like angel, human, life, death, are all black and white, but angels can be humans and humans can be angels can be demons can be gods. English and language in general is a clumsy way to go in the hunt for truth.

Our language has been confused on purpose.
Truth is without words.
But to try and use some here is morgan freeman at the end of B.o.B's "Bombs Away"

As the mask of deception falls off the face of humanity
Unveiling the grim reality of duality
In which everyone is a casualty, no one will be exempt
Truth has many shades
It's not a matter of black and white, but gray
Although many, we are one, so in the final analysis
Could it be that we are fighting a war that can't be won?

hehe

Originally posted by Wolf321
If what you say really happened and not merely a hallucination or fantasy, and who you claim them to be is true, then your story pisses me off.

Who knows, maybe you are the next Noah or Jonah. Either way, the idea behind what you claim makes me mad.

Dont be angry about that .. i didnt receive any devine msg from someone
that doesnt mean you have to lose faith because no one came to you yet

Maybe because you dont need them .. they already know you are a good person
or the complete opossite and you already crossed the lines to the dark side

They will help only at the last moment to avoid wasting a good potential soul
he had faith in God but was also angry at him for the hard life he had
they did listen to his prayers and came to see him
very happy for the Op
i wish i could see a being full of wisdom and enlightment myself
but will never be jealous if someone see them before me

When the time comes they will show tthemself to you
or will wait for you in the afterlife

reply to post by Wolf321


I have prayed for Christ to reveal Himself to me and to draw me closer to Him. You would be amazed by the power of prayer and how Christ wants to reveal Himself to us. He is all Love. But He does give us free will to believe in Him. If someone doesn't that is not for me or anyone else to judge. :]

Originally posted by Ben81
Dont be angry about that .. i didnt receive any devine msg from someone
that doesnt mean you have to lose faith because no one came to you yet

I'm not saying anything about losing or even having faith, or that my reasons for my anger is personal.

ETA: I would best classify myself as a Diest. I believe in God, but not in a personal God who interacts or interferes outside the normal laws of the universe.

Maybe because you dont need them .. they already know you are a good person
or the complete opossite and you already crossed the lines to the dark side

They will help only at the last moment to avoid wasting a good potential soul
he had faith in God but was also angry at him for the hard life he had
they did listen to his prayers and came to see him

And these two issues should make anyone angry, if these are reasons. Ignore the good ones, disregard the really bad ones, just look for the ones in-between.

How many people have gone crazy or committed suicide when all it could have taken was a little obvious intervention of words by "God"?

If the ops claims are true, it doesn't cast a good light on the character or operation of "God." It also suggest the trivial nature and insignificance of the vast majority of human life.

reply to post by Wolf321


Human life does not end in death my friend.

Sometimes the good die young.

The Earth isn't for everyone. It's all different. It's not trivial.

How do you know what your path should be? Maybe you killed someone last time around?

Maybe you need to feel death at a young age, so that you will know the value of life on earth at a later date?

reply to post by Shadow Herder



WOW~!

that would raise the hairs on the back of my neck for sure~!

reply to post by newsoul


Have you ever wondered why children have imaginary friends til the age of 6 or so? I believe their imaginary friend is their guardian angel. Christ says let the children come to me. Because they believe. It isn't until they are older and corrupted by society's views that they doubt who He is.

reply to post by flowerchild44


I believe this is what you experienced. This is what the guy who's stepson killed himself experienced also in the midst of all of that turmoil.

And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus. Phillipians 4:7

I know sometimes when my heart is troubled yet I experience PEACE THAT SURPASSETH ALL UNDERSTANDING I know it is God.

reply to post by DetectiveT


I have not asked a single person to believe what I have said at all. This particular forum is about personal stories, stories or experiences that cannot be vetted. As I have stated before I can't give you proof of the people If you want to believe it or not believe it that is all up to you. I am heavily tattooed so when I go into a store I tend to get watched by the clerks because how I look. That particular day it was a hot summer day and I was wearing shorts and a tank top so all my ink was on display. I've yet to go some place dressed like that were I have not been observed by someone constantly. Not only that but the display of the store was as such that the clerk was at a computer only a couple rows from where I was located and I had to walk right past that area as would anyone else to get to where I was. So for me to ask the clerk if he saw the girl was the first thing I did as putting down the book took literally seconds and when I turned around she was gone. Tell me you would not do the very same thing.

Perhaps she could have gleamed a limit perspective of me from what I was reading but to tell me point blank what I was thinking is not natural nor normal. As for how she knew I was riding the train? There were zero outward signs or evidence. I had no luggage with me, my ticket was in my travel bag in my friends truck. The train station is no where near this mall its actually in a different part of town so its not like it was right across the street.

Have you ever bar tended? It's all about being a people person and in a small town to sit down with a patron if your not busy and bs is not odd it is the norm. So its not like I left the Establishment or anything like that. I sat a table a mere 20 feet away. My other bartender was there and still had an hour on her shift. Yes I agree there are a lot of people that would have done what I did for Sarah by pulling her out of the car however, I was the first responder on the scene. When I got her out of the car there were a lot of other people there by that time however they stood there and did nothing finally an older gentleman helped me the last bit of the hill with her. He told me that I was put there because I was the only one who would have done what I did without thinking which was true. You can say there are thousands who would rush into a burning building to save a child but at that critical point were its make or break a lot of people get a deer in the headlights look when faced with taking their own life in their hands for someone they don't know.

Should I have got his name? Yes I should have, however when someone you don't know is laying your life bare down to the finest detaila name was the last thing on my mind.

Lastly you say how the Angel worded it was was wrong?! How exactly would you expect it to be worded?? You do realize when you try and write a narrative for people who were not privy to the original conversation you try your best to convey in an understandable way. I put it to paper as best I could.

reply to post by Wolf321


I don't proclaim to be anything more then I am. A single father who had two extraordinary meetings with what I feel in my heart were Angels. I can't tell you why they came to me. I am no more special then anyone and I can think of a lot of people who were/are far more deserving than I was. To this day I still ponder why they came to me, I can only make assumptions. I still don't have answer for that and I know in this lifetime I won't either.
I'm sorry you are pissed at God I really am. I walked a mile in your shoes and I know the anger and hurt you feel. However, I will tell you leaving all that on the side of the road was the best thing I have ever done.

reply to post by w810i


It is nice to meet you brother

reply to post by w810i


GOD does not need 'the best' because those who appear as such to our eyes are often only good at the portrayal of 'goodness' rather than its reality.

your heart is what matters... And you have a good one my brother.... God knows this, and this purity of heart makes you better than most

It was a truth

reply to post by OpinionatedB


Thank you. Pleasure to meet you as well sister

reply to post by w810i


Just to be clear, I am not mad at God as I believe God to be. However, if God is as your encounter suggest him to be, then I would be angry.

ETA:

Originally posted by w810i
I can't tell you why they came to me. I am no more special then anyone ...

Well if God sent Angels to talk with you and pass on even the simplest bit of encouragement, then that would seem to suggest you are more special, at least in God's eyes.