Ohio runner stops in state final to aid fallen opponent

Fairness - She stopped and helped another runner who fell less than 20 feet from the finishline. She made sure that runner crossed the finish line first because she was ahead of her before falling.

How is this fair? If that girls team beat another team by a few points because she crossed the line and they scored her how is that fair to them? They earned something. She was helped and given something she didnt earn. She didnt finish. She should have been DQ'd. Its not fair to everyone else that competed and finished on their own because they worked hard and earned it.

Since the rules werent enforced by the officals why arent you guys going after them? Also if the people who decided not to enforce the rule, as is their choice, are they unsportsmanlike as well? Since it was up to the officals to take action or not, and they opted not to, what does that make them? What does that say about you and the others?

This thread wasnt about those guys. It was about the glorification of someone who broke rules and got away with it. I know that is the extreme of what it is about but if you want to make a thread about how awesome these officials are and what their excuses might be when this happens again and they try to disqualify that person I will be happy to post on it as well. Because it will happen again and the next person wont get away with it and will be very pissed about it. Then when there are medals or scholarships at stake it will end up in our court system wasting tax payer dollars. If you think I am going overboard, believe me I am not. I have been around sports my whole life and this stuff happens and they didnt do anyone any favors by scoring them. Even if they scored the girl that helped thats fine. But they scored the girl that couldnt finish on her own. That one baffles me. If she couldnt finish on her own she should not have gotten points.

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yeah.. because coming in last and second to last is a real game changer...

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Ya know what.. life is not always fair...

Situations like this make those unfair moments tolerable.

I disagree. Life is not always fair, and situations like this infuriate me and point out the unfairness, and inconsistencies in all regulatory bodies, and point out the foo-foo nanny PC BS that is so popular and is ruining our next generations, and if I were a spectator at that event, I would have been raising hell.

If seeing someone so indoctrinated into PC crap that they let their own team down and go help a competitor, or if seeing someone cheat to get a finish, or if seeing a regulatory body ignore their own rules, is what helps make life tolerable then I must be from a different planet or time era or moral fiber.

This has exactly the opposite effect on me than it seems to have on you.

If everyone just does their own dam job, and follows the rules agreed upon before hand, and stays out of everyone else's way, then life COULD BE FAIR. Instead, we have what we have, and you're right, life isn't fair.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Rules.. not laws... there is a difference believe it or not.

Really? Would you mind explaining the difference?

Break a rule in a sport (such as this girl did) and there is the penalty of being disqualified.

Break a law in society, there is a penalty of going to jail.

As much as you would like to think that the laws you uphold are not RULES, doesn't change the fact that they are in reality. You are saying breaking the rule and not facing the consequences is the right thing, because in your opinion, the rule is stupid. So I am asking, if someone thinks a law (societal rule) is stupid, should they not pay consequences of their actions?

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by TheTardis

 

yeah.. because coming in last and second to last is a real game changer...

It is. Now if they finished 14th and 15th they were not getting points anyway. But what if they had been in 3rd and 4th. Thats points. And those points add to your teams totals. So if they were 3rd and 4th that is 6 points and 5 points instead of a DQ. So the girl that shouldn't have finished went from probably getting no points at all to getting 6 points if that were the case. Lets say her team won the team competition by 4 points. Do you not think the team in Second has a beef? I do. Because had she been left alone and the trainers had to get her off the track she earns zero points. If she is DQ'd for being helped she gets Zero. I dont understand how you can argue with that. Its just the way the sport is drawn up. It is the rules. If it were the NCAA Football Championship game and someone picked up a dropped pass and handed it to the wide receiver who then scored a TD is it ok if the refs just give it to him because his hands were sore and he meant to catch it and run with it. But that other guy helped him so its ok. ITS THE SAME THING. Its called the rules and they are not open for interpretation. They were written for a reason.

Originally posted by paradox
Really? Would you mind explaining the difference?

Rules vs. Laws

Rules vs Laws

The main difference between rules and laws is the consequences associated with breaking them. While each is developed to invoke a sense of order, fair play, and safety, the weight of a law is much heavier than the weight of a rule.

Laws are like the legal version of rules. When you are a child, a parent sets rules to be followed. When you are in a society, the government sets laws to be followed. When a rule is broken, the consequences tend to be uncomfortable but mild in comparison to the breaking of a law.


Read more: Difference Between Rules and Laws | Difference Between | Rules vs Laws www.differencebetween.net...

Originally posted by paradox
Break a rule in a sport (such as this girl did) and there is the penalty of being disqualified.

Break a law in society, there is a penalty of going to jail.

If you are going to answer your own question why ask then ?

Originally posted by paradox
As much as you would like to think that the laws you uphold are not RULES, doesn't change the fact that they are in reality. You are saying breaking the rule and not facing the consequences is the right thing, because in your opinion, the rule is stupid. So I am asking, if someone thinks a law (societal rule) is stupid, should they not pay consequences of their actions?

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What I am saying is in this case who cares.. She helped another player out... She had laready lost, as did the person she helped. Even if both were DQ's it would not have changed the outcome.

You think she broke the rules and should be punished, although im not sure how they could punish either of them since the both lost anyways.

I thin her actions were admirable in todays times...

We can go back and forth all we want but its not going to change my nor your mind so why bother? Its a feel good story for some, and apparently a source of irritation as well as an opening to come at me and my profession by others.

Time to move on to more important matters....

Originally posted by Xcathdra

If you are going to answer your own question why ask then ?

Because there is essentially no difference other than the severity of the penalty. Laws are rules.

Originally posted by paradox

Originally posted by Xcathdra

If you are going to answer your own question why ask then ?

Because there is essentially no difference other than the severity of the penalty. Laws are rules.

Riiight... because being disqualified at a track meet and being sentenced to life in prison are roughly the same thing.

As much fun as this has been, im not going to continue to assist in dragging the thread further off topic because you and others have issues with me / my profession.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by paradox

Originally posted by Xcathdra

If you are going to answer your own question why ask then ?

Because there is essentially no difference other than the severity of the penalty. Laws are rules.

Riiight... because being disqualified at a track meet and being sentenced to life in prison are roughly the same thing.

Again,

no difference other than the severity of the penalty

Has nothing to do with your profession. Has to do with your line of logic. Your profession is just an added twist of irony.

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Then condemn her actions on your own and leave me out of it.

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As much fun as this has been, im not going to continue to assist in dragging the thread further off topic because you and others have issues with me / my profession.

The only "others" has been me. No one except you has mentioned your profession even once. There is nothing off-topic so far, because every post has had to do with whether or not this girl, and this regulatory unit should have followed the rules or not.

The idea that we are attacking or have issues with you, or your profession is all in your head. We are discussing the topic at hand, which is this race, and this girl's actions, and this race committee's actions. All of which, you, and the OP, and a couple of other people find honorable, while me, and a couple of others find them either unnecessary, silly, or downright despicable.

What I am saying is in this case who cares.. She helped another player out... She had laready lost, as did the person she helped. Even if both were DQ's it would not have changed the outcome.

You think she broke the rules and should be punished, although im not sure how they could punish either of them since the both lost anyways.

I pointed out exactly where it makes a difference if they DQ'd them or not. And I could turn the same thing around. If the officials had DQ'd them then what difference did it make to them? They still finished and they still get their pub but the rules are upheld and no one is the worse for the wear. But as it is they set a precedent that sometime somewhere someone is going to have to try to explain or go against. Do you not see the point of that?

Again. I am not saying what she did wasnt admiral and having a 16 year old daughter that runs track I would be proud of her for doing this. But at the same time, I would tell her not to do it again and that she was lucky not to get DQ'd. Think about this. What if she had more events to do and what if she were DQ'd from competition completely? She took a big risk. She is obviously a great kid and her parents raised her right. Not a single person on here is arguing otherwise.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by paradox

 

Then condemn her actions on your own and leave me out of it.

I was asking you a question.

Please do not try to pretend to be a victim. You are on a public forum.

I would give much kudos if she was winning and then stopped to help the other girl and lost because of it. She was obviously in last place when she stopped to help so it wasn't much of a sacrifice on her part. If she would have finished the race without helping she could have gone back to help in about 10 more seconds, so again not that admirable. I would agree she is probably a sweet, nice girl but this act does not make her hero in my book.

I help handicapped people get things off high shelves in the grocery store. Do I deserve national recognition for doing so? Of course not. Neither does this girl.

You know before I posted this I'll be honest, I did think that she should have been disqualified for breaking the rules. yes, the thought of how are you going to enforce the rules next time.

It has been a long time however since I have seen this from people. I thought maybe the committee might have some good people on it.

I know we could get into an argument over the whole idea.

Rules written for a reason
ignore one rule are you ignoring others
are you going to give others help during a race

Bad precedent and all.. yeah yeah yeah ect

I also know of the scoreless soccer games. It is absolute BS...

I am going to say it this way

someone taught the girl that people matter

she saw she wasnt going to win anyway
could afford to do the right thing

Judges saw display and said, well it has been the only interesting thing here so yes we will let it slide


You re right this is where slippery slopes begin and end in tyranny-
allow one change and the others follow as excuses keep getting made

Your right to the girl did get something out of it
she initially got that feeling of doing something she felt was good

No she wasnt tested on if she would do it if no one was looking... so yes your right even the moral platitudes do not apply...

It warms my heart to read the responses...

forgive my low growling and my attidtude

As much fun as this has been, im not going to continue to assist in dragging the thread further off topic because you and others have issues with me / my profession

For the record, I dont have any issues with you and I have no earthly idea what your profession is. Dont think it really matters, does it?

I sure hope she asked the injured runner is they truly needed aid before taking it upon herself to help.
I would be pissed if someone just assumed I needed help before I even asked for it.

reply to post by Xcathdra


We are friends still I hope.

We also disagree a lot, honest disagreement


So far no comments have crossed the line that I can see


Mostly it seems to be people are really tired of PC bs and abuse of honesty principles...

It reminds me of the little giving a man a flower as he entered the school building. He yelled at her, "I know what your up to." He then threw the flower and stomped away. The little girl was in tears

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Honestly, it is a pleasure and an honor to agree with you. I didn't think it was possible. Is it getting chilly in here?..

Im not as new as it might appear. Damn I hate it when my broad brush paintings are proved ugly and misfounded.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Breaking the rules, sabotaging her own race, letting down her coaches and her team, just to break a rule and disqualify, and possible further injure another runner is not compassion, it is carelessness and negligence.

Yeah, I'm sure "sabotage" and "negligence" were on her mind as she extended her arm in help to a fellow runner.

Geez. Remind me never to play Monopoly with you.