Pentagon "plane" crash - Where is the plane?

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Just as all sorts of heavily opinionated people heard the definition of "conservation of momentum" and they style themselves as physics doctorates, people look at one or two photos of plane crashes and they style themselves as expert crash site forensics experts.

You don't have to be a physics doctorate to recognize controlled demolitions and missile impacts versus large jetliner crashes. You only need a partially functioning brain.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Oh good GOD won't this internet hoax ever die? You can't compare a crash of a plane hitting a concrete wall head on with a belly landing of a plane onto a Nigerian shanty town. Here's what will happen:

OH I see , with concrete ,a plane can be pulverized but with a mild steel building ,planes obviously morph effortlessly thru;including that magical flying engine, that ended up sitting upright on the corner of Murray, 2 blocks away. ...........sure buddy

What a silly question.

It vaporized of course.

Every other plane crash seems to have parts left over but the planes of 9/11 all seemed to vaporize.

reply to post by Fichorka


Ughhh...
not this crap again.
Why is it that every few months we have another thread saying there was no plane at the pentagon.

There was a plane.
There's a great thread on ATS where one of the members showed that there was a plane.
We have Members on this site that are witnesses or who have spoken to witnesses about the pentagon crash.

There's pictures of debris at the pentagon from the plane.

I have sat here and discussed this so much that there's no doubt that a plane hit the pentagon.

And btw not all plane crashes are the same.
Look up the florida crash of ValuJet 592.
Not every crash leaves debris all over for you to find easily.

reply to post by waypastvne


That has to be the best post I've ever seen showing plane parts.
Puts my examples to shame.

I'm sorry to differ, but I respectfully disagree..

On that one little cam they released, you don't see any plane. If a passenger plane hit the building, you would be able to tell on that cam.. and you can not. WHY on Gods green earth would they withhold ALL the other tapes that caught this event..

I bet there have been some pretty good posts disproving or debunking this.. Dis info agents are getting smarter and smarter..

reply to post by Fichorka

This is what convinced me that the official story is total bs.
The official story came from the Government!

While reading several posts in this thread, I realized that there is an overlooked yet very important distinction in describing 9-11, and who did it. Many people say they believe it was an "inside" job. While possible, I believe that a more accurate way to characterize is should be that it was a "clandestine" job. "Inside" directly implies that people inside the government did it, while "clandestine" means that any group(s) could have done it --just clandestinely.

I won't go into the particulars of the Pentagon wreckage, as it's all been so rehashed over and over again. Obviously no plane hit the Pentagon (why else confiscate and classify all of the footage?). There are so many inconsistencies and anomalies associated with the official story that if anyone clings to it and/or defends it, just let them be, for it is too uncomfortable for them to face the truth at this time. Jetliners do not vaporize from jet fuel. The hole is too small. Where is the damage from the wings and engines? Why are areas directly adjacent to the impact intact undamaged (the image of the undamaged book on an undamaged desk within feet of the hole/impact)? Aluminum jets do not penetrate so far into steel-reinforced concrete pillars. Staged and crudely manipulated images from the scene with dozens of visual inconsistencies. I can go on...

reply to post by Fichorka

We saw no pieces of the aircraft that were larger than, maybe, a human hand. It did not look like a passenger aircraft.

From AirDisaster.com in reference to PSA flight 1771

High speed crash will reduce the ALUMINUM to nil. You need to compare SIMILAR crashes. Another would be a Turkish Airlines DC10 crash in France. Do a little research.

reply to post by GhostLancer


You raise an interesting point about it being a clandestine job.
However if you were to look into Sibel Edmonds and if her story is true.
9-11 was allowed to happen.
And the circumstances of her dismissal and law suit against the government and the FBI retroactively classifying all her evidence is very suspicious to me.

But as far as a plane hitting the pentagon. I'll believe it.

BTW everyone here who is claiming that there was no plane. You are disrespecting the people who died on that plane and their families.
Keep that in mind.

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by waypastvne

 

That has to be the best post I've ever seen showing plane parts.
Puts my examples to shame.

Thank you. Please download and share it in the future. I have even more to add to them, just haven't done it yet.

One of most interesting chunks of debris was the one collected by Penny Elgas.



As AA77 approached it clipped this pole with its starboard wing tip, leaving a mark. ( The starboard engine also removed the top part of that tree)



Now if you look at the starboard wing of a 757



You will find piece of debris did in fact come from a 757.



Penny was down range of where the tip impacting with the pole.

Why do Truthers say nothing adds up when in fact they do ?

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by GhostLancer

 

You raise an interesting point about it being a clandestine job.
However if you were to look into Sibel Edmonds and if her story is true.
9-11 was allowed to happen.
And the circumstances of her dismissal and law suit against the government and the FBI retroactively classifying all her evidence is very suspicious to me.

But as far as a plane hitting the pentagon. I'll believe it.

BTW everyone here who is claiming that there was no plane. You are disrespecting the people who died on that plane and their families.
Keep that in mind.

While members of the government may have been involved in the plot, they may have been acting in a capacity removed from their governmental/DoD role. Not sure if you realize that extra-governmental organizations are comprised of governmental officials, --organizations such as the Council on Foriegn Relations, Tri-lateral Commission, Bilderberg Group, Bohemian Grove and others. These are not fictions of a "conspiracy theory." These organizations are very real, and the wealthiest, most powerful people in the world, from journalists to politicians to business magnates are members. I'm not blaming any of these groups. I'm just stating that such "extra-governmental" groups exist, and that they have very powerful members of the governmental, political, business and journalistic world in them.

As far as your allegations of disrespect. No sir/ma'am. It is disrespectful to allow them to have died under the false pretenses of a LIE. To sit back and accept the official story is the GREATEST DISRESPECT, for their familes deserve the truth. Just because you may find it uncomfortable to consider, look at the evidence. One of the best things you can do to respect and honor them is to try to find out what really happened to them. Just look into the inconsistencies regarding the faked/lied-about cell phone calls that were said to have happened, and compare that to the reality of airline cell phone service available that fateful day.

reply to post by type0civ


What survives an aircraft crash depends on several factors

Speed - How fast was it going at impact.

American 77 when hit the Pentagon was travelling at estimated speed of 530 mph. Most aircraft accidents
occur at takeoff/landing when plane is relatively slow . Also in these accidents the aircraft hits at low angle
or "bellys in"

Type of impact - what was hit

In the Nigerian acciident the plane ploughed into a slum . AT Pentagon it smashed into a masonry wall
(Pentagon wall was brick covered by facade of limestone) The differerences will dictate what will survive
and how big the pieces will be.

Unlike other posters I have benn to an aircraft crash (Lear 35A which hit at estimated speed of 350mph at angle
of 80 deg) What was left here can be described as "metal confetti" - plane was shredded into large
number of fragments with some larger pieces . In this case largest one was 2 x 3 ft section of tail fin
A landing gear light struck a parked car 75 yards from main impact point (try explaining that to your
insurance )

The Pentagon scene tracks with what I have seen - large number of small pieces with some larger parts
(Engines, parts of landing gear)

First off, how do we know these pics of parts actually came from the wreckage?? We don't. And I'm sure if I wanted to, I could make a picture and put CG plane parts in it aswell.. IF it was a plane, why the F will they not release an actual video showing this? SOME ONE FIND ME A VIDEO!

" BTW everyone here who is claiming that there was no plane. You are disrespecting the people who died on that plane and their families.
Keep that in mind. "


Well there guy, I'm sure "if there was really such a plane" the people and families would understand our questioning it. Its like dating a compulsive liar, eventually your going to question EVERYTHING said..

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by type0civ

 

The Pentagon scene tracks with what I have seen - large number of small pieces with some larger parts
(Engines, parts of landing gear)

You guys want to make me a believer?? Show videos.. not pics.

the plane was landed at an unkown location using alien stealth technology, and all the passengers killed and disposed of, and not one member of the killing crews ever admitted to it because they were killed by other killing crews who were in turn killed by other crews

it's all very simple really

Did I miss something?

Is ATS giving away a prize for the 1 Millionth No Plane at the Pentagon thread?

Here is the ONE AND ONLY "OFFICIAL" VIDEO!! about 1min and 20 seconds into vid


www.youtube.com...


WOW, look at that plane!! ??? not.. sry




Here is another better video some one has been able to get closer look at the "plane"
www.youtube.com...