Pentagon "plane" crash - Where is the plane?

Originally posted by kidtwist
So if people can fool the public with fakes, then it's pretty easy for a government with unlimited resources to fake a few pieces of plane debris! Think ouside the box once in a while!

What exactly is outside of the box about saying everything is the work of sinister secret agents? Everything that proves what you don't want to be true is always the work of sinister secret agents.

Originally posted by huh2142
reply to post by maxella1

 

So do you know how much does it actually take before the wings start to come off?

Faster than the plane that hit the Pentagon.

How much faster?

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World War II fighters were known to have damn near broken the sound barrier in dives without their wings ripping off. There is no set speed where the wings come off.

Originally posted by SimontheMagus

Originally posted by samkent
That's like saying there have been no plane crashes at airports because there was no camera running at the time.

That is some of the most preposterous straw-man nonsense I have ever seen. Plane crashes at airports actually leave debris that looks like an airplane. There is NEVER any doubt about what crashed at an airport.

No, that's an absurd claim. Of COURSE there can always be doubt, expecially when someone goes out of their way to manufacture it. Pick a plane crash, any plane crash. Now insist all the photos and video was faked by sinister secret agents. Insist all the eyewitnesses are really sinister secret agents giving disinformation. Insist all the wreckage was manufactured by sinister secret agents. Insist the FAA reports are fake sinister secret agent disinformation. Now, set up a web site insisting that everything you know about the plane crash is fake and they'll only tell you the REAL truth if you give them your money. BINGO, instant doubt.

This is litrally what you're doing with flight 77, whether you have the maturity to admit it or not.

Originally posted by maxella1

Originally posted by huh2142
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So do you know how much does it actually take before the wings start to come off?

Faster than the plane that hit the Pentagon.

How much faster?

That is unknowable since the plane was destroyed by the impact with the Pentagon. Even though planes are built on an assembly line there is enough manufacturing variability to make each plane unique.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by kidtwist
So if people can fool the public with fakes, then it's pretty easy for a government with unlimited resources to fake a few pieces of plane debris! Think ouside the box once in a while!

What exactly is outside of the box about saying everything is the work of sinister secret agents? Everything that proves what you don't want to be true is always the work of sinister secret agents.

Haha, at least you have a sense of humour, unlike some of your other colleagues.

Well if you had understood what you were replying to you'd realise I was referring to the fact your colleague has tunnel vision. I don't know if sarcasm is something that you are familiar with in your country but to only have one possible conclusion to the whole 9/11 situation is quite narrow-minded.

You're both entitled to believe what you were told happened that day, and I know it was quite a convincing tv show you consumed on 9/11. However, there are people like myself, who think there are too many problems with 9/11, and due to various reasons we are not buying the OS.

It's cool if you want to believe that, I'm not trying to sell a story like you have done for years, and I think you should allow people the freedom to make their own minds up. I know you have some obsession with sinister secret agents, and you're quite right, imo government agents were part of the whole 9/11 illusion that you were sold that day. It seems you cannot see the obvious, that is totally your choice, you made your mind up that day after watching tv, but I have to ask you why after all this time. do you spend so much time on this forum going on about 'sinister secret agents'?

Did you watch tv that day and say to yourself 'I must now devote the next 11 years of my life re-selling the same story on forums'?

How many more years will you spend on forums re-selling the tv version of events from 9/11?

If you have made up your mind what really happened that day based on the tv stories on the news, why do you feel you need to come and post specifically in the 9/11 forum if you are not looking for the real truth? Because to you the real truth was told to you on tv that day?

Some curious questions that would be interesting to see answers too! I know that if you do get around to answering these questions that 'secret sinister agents' will figure in there somewhere, it is a term you use everytime you post! It's your trademark comment!

I wouldn't call secret agents sinister though, 9/11 was not intended to be a sinister event, it just appeared that way, that was the whole point of the exercise. One of the government's objectives was to create fear, and blame it on muslim extremists, who were way too incompetent to pull off something as elaborate as 9/11! It certainly wasn't 'sinister muslim terrorists'! It must have been those 'sinister secret agents' you're always going on about!

Originally posted by kidtwist
Haha, at least you have a sense of humour, unlike some of your other colleagues.

Well if you had understood what you were replying to you'd realise I was referring to the fact your colleague has tunnel vision. I don't know if sarcasm is something that you are familiar with in your country but to only have one possible conclusion to the whole 9/11 situation is quite narrow-minded.

You're both entitled to believe what you were told happened that day, and I know it was quite a convincing tv show you consumed on 9/11. However, there are people like myself, who think there are too many problems with 9/11, and due to various reasons we are not buying the OS.

Let's be honest here. All of your "too many problems and various reasons" are comign entirely from those damned foo conspiracy web sites. To me, when the black box was recovered from the site shows it was flight 77, that's pretty much the clincher argument to me. YOU on the other hand insist it was planted by sinister secret agents. What gets me is that your own compatriots keep harping about how the flight recorders from the planes that struck the WTC weren't found, but your own actions proves that even if they were found, you people would only insist they'd be planted by sinsiter secret agents as well.

So why should I find any of your "too many problems and various reasons" credible?

It's cool if you want to believe that, I'm not trying to sell a story like you have done for years, and I think you should allow people the freedom to make their own minds up. I know you have some obsession with sinister secret agents, and you're quite right, imo government agents were part of the whole 9/11 illusion that you were sold that day. It seems you cannot see the obvious, that is totally your choice, you made your mind up that day after watching tv, but I have to ask you why after all this time. do you spend so much time on this forum going on about 'sinister secret agents'?

I'm not trying to sell you any story whatsoever. I'm simply posting the facts and inviting you ("you" as in plural) to explain why it's wrong. Case in point- Stewardess Renee May called out from flight 77 and told her mother the plane was hijacked. I ask why this is wrong and all I get is more "sinister secret agents" excuses. As for why I'm here, I'll admit there's a bit of schadenfreude to it from watching the zealotry of the conspiracy theorists causing them to paint themselves into a corner, but the main reason that comes to mind is that the con artists behind those damned fool conspiracy web sites disgust me to no end. You'e being lied to by Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, and the rest, and you don't know you're being raped. All I'm doing is pointing the myriad ways you're being raped.

Did you watch tv that day and say to yourself 'I must now devote the next 11 years of my life re-selling the same story on forums'?

This has nothing to do with anything, but I wasn't able to watch TV that day. I was actually working as an extra in a Hollywood movie in the back woods of Virginia, and becuase of the broadcast network's mortorium on playing the footage I didn't see what you saw until about a year afterwards.

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I see it as a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario for any answer the government supports. If they find evidence, it is claimed to be fabricated, and if they don't find evidence, it is claimed to be purposefully concealed. There's no logic to it. It's downright denial and paranoia.

Something I notice over and over again with the "OS" believers is how hostile they get when the "OS" is questioned,When reading their posts they act as if their lives are on the line debating this. And its the same people over and over again. And it appears their stalking the 9/11 forum just waiting to tear into anyone questioning the OS.

I use something called 'common sense' and 'logic' and by using that I question every detail of 9/11 as none of it adds up. Throughout history Governments have killed hundreds of millions,And they pulled another one over us on 9/11.

This is whats ridiculous,Remember Bush in the classroom on9/11?

Kids were chanting 'Kite hit steel' 'Plane must'. If that don't get through to folks than nothing will - These elite get off on ritual nonsense like this,Bohemian Grove ring a bell?

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Foley03a4
Something I notice over and over again with the "OS" believers is how hostile they get when the "OS" is questioned,When reading their posts they act as if their lives are on the line debating this. And its the same people over and over again. And it appears their stalking the 9/11 forum just waiting to tear into anyone questioning the OS.

I use something called 'common sense' and 'logic' and by using that I question every detail of 9/11 as none of it adds up. Throughout history Governments have killed hundreds of millions,And they pulled another one over us on 9/11.

This is whats ridiculous,Remember Bush in the classroom on9/11?

Kids were chanting 'Kite hit steel' 'Plane must'. If that don't get through to folks than nothing will - These elite get off on ritual nonsense like this,Bohemian Grove ring a bell?

www.youtube.com...

kite, kit, steal, playing, must

Sorry to disappoint you


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This video needs to be reposted every so often. In it Truther Jeff Hill telephones witnesses and ask them if they are sure they saw a plane hit the pentagon.

Originally posted by Foley03a4
Something I notice over and over again with the "OS" believers is how hostile they get when the "OS" is questioned,When reading their posts they act as if their lives are on the line debating this. And its the same people over and over again. And it appears their stalking the 9/11 forum just waiting to tear into anyone questioning the OS.

Realy? Who is it here who gets hostile when the "OS" is questioned? I think I can speak for everyone here when I say noone has any issue with people questioning the "OS". It's only when your questioning is just a smokescreen to push out outright lies and obsessive paranoia that people feel the need to be hostile. What are we supposed to think when the truthers insist the gov't ordered a stand down order to prevent interception, but when we investigate further, we find out this claim came from the truthers deliberately changing "does the order still stand" into "stand down order"?

I think saying we're being hostile to you is unrealistic, as we...or at least I...are simply hostile to the liars, crackpots, and con artists behind the damned fool conspiracy web sites you get all your information from. You're not the ones deliberately changing "does the order still stand" into "stand down order", it's Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, etc (I think that particular lie came from David Ray Griffin) tryign to pull this stunt. You yourselves are simply the victims in their con.

Originally posted by waypastvne
This video needs to be reposted every so often. In it Truther Jeff Hill telephones witnesses and ask them if they are sure they saw a plane hit the pentagon.

Did you read the comments on the Youtube video? Some of them are specifically saying they don't care what the witnesses are saying or even what all the evidence shows, they're never going to believe a plane actually hit the Pentagon. Such peopel have a lot of nerve turning around and saying they only want to "find out the truth behind the evnts of the 9/11 attack".

If this dosn't illustrate the damger those damned fool conspiracy web sites are posing, I don't know what will.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Let's be honest here. All of your "too many problems and various reasons" are comign entirely from those damned foo conspiracy web sites. To me, when the black box was recovered from the site shows it was flight 77, that's pretty much the clincher argument to me. YOU on the other hand insist it was planted by sinister secret agents. What gets me is that your own compatriots keep harping about how the flight recorders from the planes that struck the WTC weren't found, but your own actions proves that even if they were found, you people would only insist they'd be planted by sinsiter secret agents as well.

So why should I find any of your "too many problems and various reasons" credible?

Are they mow, how do you know how I forumlate my thoughts? Have you been using one of those telepathic brain scanning devices that your sinister secret agent buddies carry around?!

I do not frequent those types of websites, especially seeing as most of them were set up by the perps. They are fool websites as you say, and they were set up by the government to try and fool people, but not me because I steer well clear of them.

Obviously you don't understand how a psy-op works, and any official 'evidence' like black boxes can easily have their data fabricated to fit the story they want to convey. I thought that would be quite obvious to someone like you?!

Please link to where I 'insist' black boxes were planted?! I have never insisted that, because they did not need to plant them, they just had to say they recovered them, and then say there was nothing of use to be retrieved from them, which is what they did. I just thought I'd clear that up because you seem to get confused on a lot of things.

Yes the flight recorders were not found at the WTC buildings, and people are entitled to ask why, it is a concerning part of 9/11, and it's part of the OS that many people do not buy.

I'm not trying to sell you any story whatsoever. I'm simply posting the facts and inviting you ("you" as in plural) to explain why it's wrong. Case in point- Stewardess Renee May called out from flight 77 and told her mother the plane was hijacked. I ask why this is wrong and all I get is more "sinister secret agents" excuses. As for why I'm here, I'll admit there's a bit of schadenfreude to it from watching the zealotry of the conspiracy theorists causing them to paint themselves into a corner, but the main reason that comes to mind is that the con artists behind those damned fool conspiracy web sites disgust me to no end. You'e being lied to by Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, and the rest, and you don't know you're being raped. All I'm doing is pointing the myriad ways you're being raped.

Well you can say you're not trying to sell the OS, but it's pretty evident to many of us here, that you and your colleagues having being doing the hard sell on the 9/11 OS for many years. No one in their right mind would spend years on a website upholding the OS unless they had a motive, and I cannot see what you actual motive could be? Maybe you like to give yourself virtual pats on the back if you can counter something someone says, and perhaps you get your self-esteem from trying to ridicule people on 9/11 forums.

You're obviously very confused, perhaps you could present a list of all these fool conspiracy websites that you seem to think I have been on? Date, times, urls please, you need to provide some evidence to back up these silly claims! I have heard of Alex Jones, he is a shill anyone with half a brain could tell what that idiot is about, you only have to listen to this to know he is full of BS...



As for the other chap you mention, I don't know anything about him, but if he is on one of those perp fools sites you mention then I'm not likely to know about him because I do not frequent them. You obviously do because you know so much about them! So sorry to spoil you rape fantasy but if you are visiting them and I am not, then it's only you that is getting raped by them!

This has nothing to do with anything, but I wasn't able to watch TV that day. I was actually working as an extra in a Hollywood movie in the back woods of Virginia, and becuase of the broadcast network's mortorium on playing the footage I didn't see what you saw until about a year afterwards.

Wow, you must be the only person I know that waited a year to see the news on 9/11. But you have seen it, even if you were a year late catching up on it, and it seems you have fallen for everything you saw on tv from that day, albeit a year later than it was aired. I know, they it was convincing to many people, and still is, you would not be devoting so much time to it if it wasn't convincing.

Like I say, you're entitled to believe what you want, as are other people, and just because many people don't buy the OS like you do, there's no point getting too wound up over it eh!

reply to post by kidtwist
I'm sorry, but you give this guy way too much credibility. It's obvious that he's as phony as a three dollar bill. I prefer the method of defining guys like him with a previous posters jargon. If he chooses to label us 'truthers', then we have the option of calling them 'liars'. For him, ignorance is chronic.

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Thanks a lot! Now I need to change my shirt because I threw up!

Originally posted by kidtwist
Alex Jones, he is a shill anyone with half a brain could tell what that idiot is about, you only have to listen to this to know he is full of BS...

And we only need to read what you write.........

Originally posted by dillweed
reply to post by kidtwist

 

I'm sorry, but you give this guy way too much credibility. It's obvious that he's as phony as a three dollar bill. I prefer the method of defining guys like him with a previous posters jargon. If he chooses to label us 'truthers', then we have the option of calling them 'liars'. For him, ignorance is chronic.

Hi dilliweed, I dont intentionally give any of the OS upholders here too much credibility, they have none in my eyes, but I'm not going to fall into their trap of childish name calling because that is not what I'm about.

I'd prefer to be dignified and then it'll show them for what they are when they reply with their usual derogatory slurs. They think that is the only way they can get their point across, but it is counter-productive. I know what their game is, and why they behave the way they do. Like I say, I certainly would not intentiaonally give them any credibility because they dont deserve any.

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by kidtwist
Alex Jones, he is a shill anyone with half a brain could tell what that idiot is about, you only have to listen to this to know he is full of BS...

And we only need to read what you write.........

You cant even read what I write properly! You and Alex Jones are cut from the same cloth! I dont need smellivision, your comments ouze BS!

Originally posted by maxella1
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Thanks a lot! Now I need to change my shirt because I threw up!

Haha! It's ridiculous isn't it! I'm going to sample it and use his fake crying as an intro to a song! Alex Jones went to the same school of BS as the OS upholding 'debunkers'!