U.S. missiles infected with Chinese fakes

U.S. missiles infected with Chinese fakes

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By F. Michael Maloof

WASHINGTON – Fake electronic components from China have been discovered in thermal weapons sights delivered to the U.S. Army on mission computers for the Missile Defense Agency’s Terminal High Altitude Area Defense, or THAAD, missiles and on military aircraft, including several models of helicopters and the P-8A-Poseidon, according to federal investigators.
Suspected electronic parts were found in the Forward Looking InfraRed, or FLIR, Systems being used on the Navy’s

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The report also confirms '84,000 suspect electronic parts installed'!

The article goes continues about the counterfeit electronics being found in defensive systems! Does this have anything to do with the recent security backdoor in chips sold to the military story?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I have said before that if somehow the Chinese have written some sort of code that allows them to backdoor into these chips they could cause huge defensive gaps!
Looks like it could be possible?

From what i understand in the article, the chips may affect the thermal weapons sights on THAAD Missiles.

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense

Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD), formerly Theater High Altitude Area Defense, is a United States Army system to shoot down short, medium, and intermediate ballistic missiles in their terminal phase using a hit-to-kill approach.

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Future Weapons - THAAD Missile

Here is more info on www.army-technology.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">THAAD

It also say's it may effect the P-8A Poseidon, nicknamed the "Sub-Hunter'. The chips were found in the FLIR, Forward Looking InfraRed!

The Boeing P-8 Poseidon (formerly the Multimission Maritime Aircraft or MMA) is a military aircraft currently being developed for the United States Navy (USN). The P-8 is being developed by Boeing Defense, Space & Security, modified from the 737-800. It is intended to conduct anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and shipping interdiction and to engage in an electronic intelligence (ELINT) role. This will involve carrying torpedoes, depth charges, SLAM-ER anti-ship missiles, and other weapons. It will also be able to drop and monitor sonobuoys. It is designed to operate in conjunction with the Broad Area Maritime Surveillance unmanned aerial vehicle.

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Seems to me this would be a potentially huge defensive gap, considering the fact they potentially 84,000 of these chips are in service!? Regardless of if they can be acesssed through the 'backdoor', they are still counterfeit, unreliable and could potentially fail at exactly the wrong moment!

Thoughts?!

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Was it Marx or Lenin who said, a capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with? This is what happens when traitorous American Corporations scew American workers, close shop and go to China to make their goods in Chinese sweat shops to screw Chinese workers. Really, the level of stupidity is really off the charts!

Sounds to me like several contractors for the US military decided to use cheaper parts than those that where "Made In the USA".

Back door applications... I don't know about this, as most electric components don't really have a access point for this. Most electronic components would require physical access to the components to be effective, and lets face it if they had/have physical access to these components the necessity for planting these "backdoor electronic" components would be unnecessary.

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again, this is why you can't outsource your military production to foreign countries. They could have at least used US civilians since the military isn't good enough to train and employ its own manufacturers. Just saying, of course it will cost more to produce in the US......We will not ruin it on purpose and that has a price.

It is just dumb. It is also like adding insult to injury. Not only is our tax money being misspent on military budgets like the soviet union, but on top of that it is being miss spent in foreign countries.

It's not like we are keeping American towns alive with our military industry, no, we are keeping whole Chinese cities alive with our spending which they are buying up the debt for.

DUMB. This is why our leaders went to expensive schools? So they can trade our country for a few trinkets.

A hot tube here, a yacht there, and well crap everywhere. All for what? oh, nothing, just our countries future as a submissive state under the Chinese.....nothing really.

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I have said before that if somehow the Chinese have written some sort of code that allows them to backdoor into these chips they could cause huge defensive gaps!

You can't put code into a sensor but bad sensors are not good.

Seems to be a case of "Well they told them they were good and they told us so it's not our fault they aren't".

I seriously doubt that the U.S. military paid any less than top dollar for these Chinese parts. How can you ask for more money unless you've spent all you've been given?

Edit: "$2 part" umm... not that much, unless that's just a figure of speech.

Just mind boggling that they buy weapon parts from potential enemies. I wonder what dunce-capped moron signed off on that order. He should lose his job immediately, along with every "yes man" who didn't speak up.

I apologize for not reading the post before mine, but I had to send this, though its short- digital technology age.... I think it is somewhat sadly fitting. All the jobs that go to other countries bc they are cheaper workers that little care are now haunting the missles if this is true. even thoughthe corporates interests conduct business with anyone- in this case China, America and other countries inbetween, western society specifically anyone holding these missles now have doubt due to the componentry. Its sad it got to this.
Even learning about it is.

What gets me is this and only this...

Why in the 9 hells would anyone, much less a coutry as powerful as the US, BUY PARTS AND WEAPONS FROM POTENTUAL ENEMIES!!!

How can people be so stupid? Blind? Idiotic? And THEY run the country????

Just wow! lol


Just goes to show you what runs our country. Hope you guys feel good about yourself when you vote. Just keep this kinda thing in mind. Then tell me what you really feel every time you push that button to vote for the next idio... errr prez of the US.

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It actually was our leaders (well, the Senate), who investigated the fiasco.

Politicians, and especially the President, didn't buy the parts. Raytheon did, at the end of a supply chain of 5 dealers.

I know the article speaks of China but:

For many years fake electronic parts have been coming out of Asia in general. South Korea, the Philippines and some from China. The US exported 'Capitalism at any cost' all over the globe and some companies take it to these levels.

To hell with the customer, lets make a profit!

Asia seems to have learnt the lesson well.

Now lets compare this to all the big US multinationals. Yep, I can't see a difference.

It all comes back to me, he says, peeing into the wind.

P

So they managed to sabotage the only system, except optical systems that are able to trace radar stealth technology. Interesting.

There was a story about a chinese uboat that was able to sneak into the critical distance without the U.S ships recognizing. Take away the thermal torpedo and you have undersea superiority.

Originally posted by theRhenn

Why in the 9 hells would anyone, much less a coutry as powerful as the US, BUY PARTS AND WEAPONS FROM POTENTUAL ENEMIES!!!

The way the usa behaves EVERY country is a potential enemy, I mean, what sort of arsehole nation would eagerly sell their "closest allies" Apache helicopters, but then refuse to supply the software to allow them to be flown
Your country is rapidly running out of friends to help you out, the day is coming when your president will call for help and no one will answer

Originally posted by Phage
You can't put code into a sensor but bad sensors are not good.

I have to disagree.
If the sensor has its own circuitry to adapt to a bus and communicates through a bus, it indeed needs unique programmable chips, at least a plc (programmable logic controller).

You can hardcode an override into a chip, such as a simple reset. Implement a cache. Load the data from the cache while you load up your own code.

This brings me to my next point. You could build a hidden protocol into many different chips. As they all have specifications how to connect them, you could build a second network. They would be able to communicate. Synchronize and so on.

However, it´s really difficult if you get the design for a chip to add such hidden features. So the company they gave the orders would have to be connected to anyone who has interest and capability to make this happen.
This does not mean it must be the Chinese Government.

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This is why you dont purchase components from an Enemy of Western Civilization that are vital to the lives of the military men and women that protect the interest and National Security of America.

Russia and China are enemies , not friends. Please dont be so stupid to order parts coming from a Hostile Nation and put them in your multimillion dollar weapons that are paid for by the tax payers , we pay for them to work , not be sabotaged by something so stupid as ordering parts from a Hostile Nation.

Every single piece of military equipment should be produced here in America. Just my two cents. I much rather pay Americans more money to get the job done better than pay an enemy nation half the cost and the product be sabotaged or failed.

Originally posted by yellowbeard

Originally posted by theRhenn

Why in the 9 hells would anyone, much less a coutry as powerful as the US, BUY PARTS AND WEAPONS FROM POTENTUAL ENEMIES!!!

The way the usa behaves EVERY country is a potential enemy, I mean, what sort of arsehole nation would eagerly sell their "closest allies" Apache helicopters, but then refuse to supply the software to allow them to be flown

Your country is rapidly running out of friends to help you out, the day is coming when your president will call for help and no one will answer

This is the same nation that funded terror against their "closest ally" for over 4 decades.

this is the globalists setting you up
instead of networking chips
think cells
at some level there are so many elements of all these governments that are NOT controlled by the voters
they are controlled by bad money and bad data - fake "elements"
3 dressed up as a 9...good from far, far from good...250 dollar impact applicators (hammers) , the m14 m16 scandal..the bad body armor ( thanks rummey)..the 2 million haliburton tarp...etc

believing this is NATIONAL is plain SILLY...a result of bad programming and data - a bad snip of code
now look at how much trouble that single snip of bad code has caused all by itself
millions of dead, billions in damage

I hate everything you have written here (and I've seen you write exactly the same anti china/russia speech many times before). Grow up. Use your own mind.

Originally posted by milkyway12
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This is why you dont purchase components from an Enemy of Western Civilization that are vital to the lives of the military men and women that protect the interest and National Security of America.

Russia and China are enemies , not friends. Please dont be so stupid to order parts coming from a Hostile Nation and put them in your multimillion dollar weapons that are paid for by the tax payers , we pay for them to work , not be sabotaged by something so stupid as ordering parts from a Hostile Nation.

Every single piece of military equipment should be produced here in America. Just my two cents. I much rather pay Americans more money to get the job done better than pay an enemy nation half the cost and the product be sabotaged or failed.

edit on 5-6-2012 by milkyway12 because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by verschickter

Originally posted by Phage
You can't put code into a sensor but bad sensors are not good.

I have to disagree.
If the sensor has its own circuitry to adapt to a bus and communicates through a bus, it indeed needs unique programmable chips, at least a plc (programmable logic controller).

You can hardcode an override into a chip, such as a simple reset. Implement a cache. Load the data from the cache while you load up your own code.

This brings me to my next point. You could build a hidden protocol into many different chips. As they all have specifications how to connect them, you could build a second network. They would be able to communicate. Synchronize and so on.

However, it´s really difficult if you get the design for a chip to add such hidden features. So the company they gave the orders would have to be connected to anyone who has interest and capability to make this happen.
This does not mean it must be the Chinese Government.

Bootleg ICs can be anything, there's nothing to say it has to have a PLC or any programmable area. The ICs could be anything, the majority of ICs are not reconfigurable after production. Most of these Chinese fake ICs are duplicates of the original function. They probably work just as well and contain no backdoors (but likely don't have the heat and shock tolerances which military grade chips are supposed to have).

Not that I'm saying it would be impossible to introduce something like that into a chip, it's just that this case is likely not espionage, merely fraud. This has been a well known issue for a long time with military procurement.

reply to post by Nspekta This is why you dont purchase components from an Enemy of Western Civilization that are vital to the lives of the military men and women that protect the interest and National Security of America. Russia and China are enemies , not friends. Please dont be so stupid to order parts coming from a Hostile Nation and put them in your multimillion dollar weapons that are paid for by the tax payers , we pay for them to work , not be sabotaged by something so stupid as ordering parts from a Hostile Nation. Every single piece of military equipment should be produced here in America. Just my two cents. I much rather pay Americans more money to get the job done better than pay an enemy nation half the cost and the product be sabotaged or failed.

China ememies, china Hostile nation! lol Maybe in your delusion country loving eyes. Yeah, china are so Hostile! You see them starting wars all over the world, Not!