'Blockbuster UFO discoveries' set for MUFON's August symposium

Here's a snippet from their scheduling:

Sunday August 5
9:00am-4:00pm National Air Force Museum at Wright–Patterson Air Force Base
4:30pm-6:30pm National Release of “Blockbuster” UFO discovery
7:00pm- Closing Banquet with Stanton Friedman Followed by
Jam Session featuring the ‘Men in Black” and various
MUFON musicians.

in two months time i fully expect to be dissapointed
if they had any kind of proof why would they wait...money money money

I think that it is a serious fallacy to identify the "UFO phenomena" with the people that talk about the "UFO phenomena".
And a dangerous one when it comes from someone with a scientific background.
That is NOT science, that is simple "debunking".

And maybe, just maybe, we should leave the debunking for Mythbusters and let the scientist study this phenomena seriously. (Explanation: when you set out to "debunk" something, you already have taken a position about the subject, hardly a showcase of scientific neutrality)
The work of Jacques Valle is a good example, for me.
Thanks!

Originally posted by drakus
...And maybe, just maybe, we should leave the debunking for Mythbusters and let the scientist study this phenomena seriously. (Explanation: when you set out to "debunk" something, you already have taken a position about the subject, hardly a showcase of scientific neutrality...

Most scientific peer reviews are all about trying to find holes in their fellow scientists' theories.
It's usually not called "debunking", but rather a "critical review".

In science, a theory does not become widely accepted until it passes these critical reviews (which can sometimes take years), and even after that there are usually other scientists working on trying to shoot holes in those "widely accepted" theories.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by drakus
...And maybe, just maybe, we should leave the debunking for Mythbusters and let the scientist study this phenomena seriously. (Explanation: when you set out to "debunk" something, you already have taken a position about the subject, hardly a showcase of scientific neutrality...

Most scientific peer reviews are all about trying to find holes in their fellow scientists' theories.
It's usually not called "debunking", but rather a "critical review".

In science, a theory does not become widely accepted until it passes these critical reviews (which can sometimes take years), and even after that there are usually other scientists working on trying to shoot holes in those "widely accepted" theories.

edit on 6/4/2012 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

Agreed.
But the peer-review comes after the study is done, the data is analyzed and the first conclusions are expressed in a paper.
I think that, after more than 50 years of UFOs being a common topic, there have been very few public, serious scientific studies about it. I know of some, but you can count them with your fingers.
And, from my perspective, the possibility of the discovery of any other sentient race in the galaxy would be one of the greatest (if not the greatest) discoveries of humankind, it kinda deserves attention from the scientific community.

But I fear that the problem comes not from the lack of hard data (ie As far as official statements go, we have no recovered ships or bodies and we never interacted in any way with sentient ET) but from a quite annoying cynicism towards any sugestion of intelligent species visiting our little garden.
And that problem, itself, deserves a thread of it's own

Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
reply to post by JimOberg

 

I was considering going to this function, that is, until I saw the prices. Mufon is out of its mind if they expect a full room.

edit on 4-6-2012 by All Seeing Eye because: (no reason given)

And that my friend is why they are holding back on their "Blockbuster discovery"......nothing sells tickets like a sensational story!

I'm guessing "flashing light" filmed on a dodgy camcorder/phone within 20 miles of an International airport

I have been thinking lately that the ET UFO theory is a difficult hypothesis because the subject of study may be deliberately eluding study

Usually when scientific people begin to study a new phenomenon the truth may be elusive at first but, through repeated hypothesis and experiment, eventually we figure it out

But if the ET hypothesis is true then we are trying to study something that may be consciously and deliberately avoiding being studied

Difficult to conduct science when your subject is constantly disappearing from the test tube :-)

Originally posted by JimOberg


Real scientific advances are made by peer-reviewed checkable claims, not as promotions for conventions.

I agree wholeheartedly, I would like more people to see it before, and not used to make ticket sales, however, I will say this, who exactly are the peer reviewers in UFOlogy? the scientists that pay no attention to it, or other fringe ufo researchers?

Perhaps we could have a peer review Extravaganza!

My idea of a blockbuster UFO video would be a "Gary Wilcox" April 24th, 1964 situation that is video taped live Followed down by a Lonnie Zamora chaser video that same day but hours later :^)

They have to have white uniforms on from head to toe and speak english and come from underground on mars!

Plus, it has to be denied by nasa or any governmental agency to keep people out of the know.

But the one thing that has to be added is the martians state that the tubes we have images of are truly transportation tubes from one underground city to the next ! And that they drop in and out of view like is stated by Ernest Norman telepathic communication of a leader from under mars in his book: "The Truth About Mars"! And in the video they state they had at one time established a colony on earth in ancient times. Because of that they push to get on Ancient Aliens History Channel HD but want to be treated like stars and have their own hollywood type trailer, it has got to be air tight and NOT let any bacteria in from earth. Because living underground for so long, they LOST their resistance to living out doors.

My requirements are strict but important in the cause of not having second rate mufon videos.

Originally posted by quantumfluctuation
I have been thinking lately that the ET UFO theory is a difficult hypothesis because the subject of study may be deliberately eluding study.

When I first considered this several years ago, my biggest question was why would they do such a thing? Putting aside all the nonsense about us being too aggressive or not spiritually aware enough, I eventually came around to thinking it was because they must have a huge stake in it. And then I came around to thinking that it was because they were time travelers.

They don't want to interact with us in any meaningful way because it could represent a direct threat to their existence as a result of the Butterfly Effect. And their ability to have so cleanly avoided significant contact with (as far as we know) a 100 percent success record is that they're able to go back in time and fix any major screw-up after it happens/before it happens. Yes, it ends up "damaging" our timeline, and probably has skewed us off into strange territories at critical points in the past, but we don't really have anything to say about that. We're not the ones with the time machines.

Very difficult to test, of course. But not every scientific study is a survey. There are case studies that have plenty of value. But how does one test for the existence of a present that previously but no longer exists because of timeline damage? It's a puzzler.

Originally posted by thetiler
My requirements are strict but important in the cause of not having second rate mufon videos.

Sounds good. I think it would just be a step up if they could show something that isn't just random lights in the sky that could be anything from bats to LED kites, or videos that are so obviously CGI fakes that you just have to shake your head in embarrassment that these supposed UFO "experts" are taken in by such sorry crap.

The biggest problem with an organization like MUFON, of course, is that there are not enough hardcore skeptics in it. Somebody willing to spend a whole lot of time and effort and money attacking the reports at the source and weeding out all the nonsense to find out what the core of the sighting/encounter was. But a skeptic would not likely be motivated to do that for the same reason it's hard to get atheists to join an organization. What would be the point? Just to prove people wrong?

I hate when they just come out saying "We have something amazing blah blah... we'll disclose it on blah blah blah... Then wind up dead -1 day before we get to know crap about it... Damnit just leak it online before it gets buried again...

reply to post by Blue Shift


Although I don't necessary disagree with you the gov't has given plenty of reasons for its people not to trust it.

The gov't also revised its Roswell story several times and its has in the past performed numerous unethical experiments on its own people.

I know that wiki is not the best source but from there you can check its sources and use your own cross reference to further investigate.
en.wikipedia.org...

With that said I expect no big revelation from this MUFON event

First I would like to say the price isn't all that bad but it does add up if you need to stay at that location however, they do give discounts.

It would be nice if we have a member here that lives near by and who can afford it.... to go.

I also think if they are sitting on this information it is wrong. I know just about everything evolves around making money and boosting the attendance but two months is a long time and a lot can happen in that time.

I think it is shameful myself.

Originally posted by interupt42
reply to post by Blue Shift

 

Although I don't necessary disagree with you the gov't has given plenty of reasons for its people not to trust it.
The gov't also revised its Roswell story several times and its has in the past performed numerous unethical experiments on its own people.

Certainly, the government has plenty of reasons to keep secrets, even from its own people. Your own people will sell you out to Brand X quicker than anybody. The Roswell cover-up always felt to me like the Army trying to hide their own incredible stupidity. But just because they might keep secrets about some things doesn't prove they're keeping secrets about other things, like UFOs. They might not know any more about it than we do.

The government only wants to keep two things secret: what it knows, and what it doesn't know.

P.S. -- I would only really go to the MUFON symposium to jam with the Men in Black. I play awesome guitar.

reply to post by Ex_CT2


Their stores are closing at record speeds. Red Box Netflix under cut their rates and digital movies will send the dvd to the recycle bin.

I'm already embarrassed for these MUFON idiots. Like they have anything worth calling "blockbuster" for crying out loud.

They might have made some interesting connections, some new data that is very inconclusive, but blockbuster is more than a stretch, it will come back to haunt them, mark my words.

Can we unofficially refer to this event as MUFON-ALOOZA? Being that they are going to have live music and all...

A little more information from MUFON's July Ejournal:

It is our intent to release not one but two MAJOR announcements that will resonate through the UFO community for years to come. One of these pronouncements is so sensative that MUFON management asked that it not be released until proper security protocals were in place to protect the safety of the material and the people in whose possesion it resides

I hope it lives up to the hype.