the Force really exists, top scientists agree

Originally posted by awakendhybrid

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by rapunzel222
but instead we are all part of this vast web of energy, all connected to everything else in the universe on a quantum level

Okay, we're all playing in the quantum foam of the universe. Do you know what that makes us on this teeny weeny speck of dirt? It makes us teeny-teeny weeny-weeny in that quantum foam. Dropping a grain of sand in the ocean would have more influence on the ocean than we would on the infinite quantum foam.

And yet, the atoms that make up YOU are all very important.

I fail to see the connection to quantum foam. But, okay, let's go there. Define important. I am not important; I'm just an animal that was born and will die someday. Nothing grand about that.

Yeah, and George Lucas is your messiah.

Does that also make Steven Speilberg Darth Vader?

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by awakendhybrid

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by rapunzel222
but instead we are all part of this vast web of energy, all connected to everything else in the universe on a quantum level

Okay, we're all playing in the quantum foam of the universe. Do you know what that makes us on this teeny weeny speck of dirt? It makes us teeny-teeny weeny-weeny in that quantum foam. Dropping a grain of sand in the ocean would have more influence on the ocean than we would on the infinite quantum foam.

And yet, the atoms that make up YOU are all very important.

I fail to see the connection to quantum foam. But, okay, let's go there. Define important. I am not important; I'm just an animal that was born and will die someday. Nothing grand about that.

when you close your eyes do you still exist?

Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Yeah, and George Lucas is your messiah.

Does that also make Steven Speilberg Darth Vader?

darth vader was the messiah.

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Lynn MacTaggart is big big in the world of noetic science. Dan Brown even mentioned her in The Lost Symbol.

And you mentioned Ramtha and JZ Knight as seperate people and they are one and the same person. ( or occupy the same body at times anyway.LOL)

Originally posted by Pervius
Some countries call it "Black Magic", some used to call it "Witchcraft".


Energy can not be destroyed, it always exists. Sometimes turns into matter, heat. But the energy always exists.
Dead people are all around us and influence the world. They are in a energy state in another dimension, but able to influence ours.

Some people make deals with them to make their lives better here. You don't actually have "Free Spirit" as you think, we all are influenced by these entities. Our thoughts, actions, health. If they like you....you will notice odd benefits.

The 'Force' is all prior living life forms influencing the present in this material world.

If that were true every parent who passed before their children would be working to make their childrens lives smooth and easy with abundance and happiness. My Mom, God rest her soul, cant even arrange for me to get a winning lottery scratcher and I know she would if she could. She was a big bingo player and loved Las Vegas and visited frequently while she was alive.

Is this the same book I have heard Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra mention?
I know both have them have talked about "fields".

I do believe that we all have the ability to tap into The Force/The Field/The Gift - but it's being blocked, in our modern times, by television signals, wi-fi signals, mobile masts, electricity pylons and radio frequencies.
They all interfere with the electrical impulses in our brains which means they influence how we think and feel. They also affect us physically by changing the frequencies our cells 'sing' at.

The ability has also been blocked by 2,000 years of brainwashing by the Church and in more modern times the Medical Establishment, hand-in-hand with the Pharmaceutical companies.

All those supposed 'witches' the Catholic Church burnt, were nothing but free-thinking, independent women, who had an instinctive knowledge of herbs and plants and how the body works. They also knew the power of positive thinking/belief.
As did the Church/religious leaders, of course - it's what their religions are based on - the power of belief.

Basically, those women were using the Field/The Gift - whatever you want to call it -and the Church had to put a stop to it and demonise it, for many of the same reasons that it has been demonised, in the West, in modern times ie. money, power and control.
Substitute the Church, for Pharmaceutical companies. Substitute the monks, who dispensed medicine to the people, for Doctors. They all charged/charge money and they all used/use the 'we've got all the know-how ' brainwashing to do it - and they didn't want/don't want us to know just how much power each of us, actually has.

TPTB, whether they be religious or 'the establishment', have always known that people of like mind, coming together and focusing on healing or the common good, is a really powerful mental force, which ( as others have said on this thread ) is why they've done everything they can to make sure people are divided, whether it's by race, colour or religion.

I sometimes think, that all the talk about the end of the world this year could be true - but I think of it as an Apocalypse, in this sense of the word:

'An Apocalypse, "lifting of the Veil " or "revelation" is a disclosure of something hidden from the majority of mankind, in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception.'

I think that more and more people are finding out about and believing in, things like The Field/The Force/The Gift ( and also the lies told by certain religions ) and TPTB are getting to a point where, the only way to halt the awakening, is to build their safehouses/arks, ramp up the magnetic reversal and start the world all over again.

I believe I have the mental power to change things but obviously not enough to work out the edit function on here. Please excuse all the wasted space at the end of my previous post.

Originally posted by biggmoneyme

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by awakendhybrid

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by rapunzel222
but instead we are all part of this vast web of energy, all connected to everything else in the universe on a quantum level

Okay, we're all playing in the quantum foam of the universe. Do you know what that makes us on this teeny weeny speck of dirt? It makes us teeny-teeny weeny-weeny in that quantum foam. Dropping a grain of sand in the ocean would have more influence on the ocean than we would on the infinite quantum foam.

And yet, the atoms that make up YOU are all very important.

I fail to see the connection to quantum foam. But, okay, let's go there. Define important. I am not important; I'm just an animal that was born and will die someday. Nothing grand about that.

when you close your eyes do you still exist?

I fail to see the connection between my comment on importance and your comment. Even so, I will say yes I do still exist with my eyes closed.

Originally posted by karen61057

Originally posted by Pervius
Some countries call it "Black Magic", some used to call it "Witchcraft".


Energy can not be destroyed, it always exists. Sometimes turns into matter, heat. But the energy always exists.
Dead people are all around us and influence the world. They are in a energy state in another dimension, but able to influence ours.

Some people make deals with them to make their lives better here. You don't actually have "Free Spirit" as you think, we all are influenced by these entities. Our thoughts, actions, health. If they like you....you will notice odd benefits.

The 'Force' is all prior living life forms influencing the present in this material world.

If that were true every parent who passed before their children would be working to make their childrens lives smooth and easy with abundance and happiness. My Mom, God rest her soul, cant even arrange for me to get a winning lottery scratcher and I know she would if she could. She was a big bingo player and loved Las Vegas and visited frequently while she was alive.

Yup, as I would do for my daughter after I die. Imagine billions and billions of the 'prior living' influencing this dimension. I think it would make us insane.

I wonder if Bill Gate's ancestors would adopt me?

Originally posted by aBeneGesserit
I believe I have the mental power to change things but obviously not enough to work out the edit function on here. Please excuse all the wasted space at the end of my previous post.

I believe that the belief in having mental power to change things comes from feelings of helplessness. Can we 'wish' away the pending war in Israel? No, the whole of the human population would have to physically get up off their butts and protest. But, will this protest work? Nobody thinks it will, so we all just stay in our safe little homes and try to bend the future with our minds. Not gonna happen.

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by awakendhybrid

Originally posted by jiggerj

Originally posted by rapunzel222
but instead we are all part of this vast web of energy, all connected to everything else in the universe on a quantum level

Okay, we're all playing in the quantum foam of the universe. Do you know what that makes us on this teeny weeny speck of dirt? It makes us teeny-teeny weeny-weeny in that quantum foam. Dropping a grain of sand in the ocean would have more influence on the ocean than we would on the infinite quantum foam.

And yet, the atoms that make up YOU are all very important.

I fail to see the connection to quantum foam. But, okay, let's go there. Define important. I am not important; I'm just an animal that was born and will die someday. Nothing grand about that.

I'm merely saying that before you all was just cells increasing their chances of survival by grouping together and before that there was just molecular compounds grouping together, atoms grouping together, particles grouping together...
Either everything is important or nothing is. And if it is that black and white than the answer doesn't actually matter and there is absolutely nothing wrong with seeing an importance to any individual part of life. We are part of a chain of existence that keeps all it's links--I just choose to see it as a beautiful and epic chain.

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If you think about living on another planet, it will allow you to have a different perspective. You can see the similarity and contrast it would have to Earth and you can think more objectively about things in the world (although, this is something small and you may not even notice the different - but still, it is there).

It's early in the morning here, and I haven't read all the replies in this thread yet so this is just a general rant aimed at anyone and no one who cares to take note. (Besides i wrote this once already and accidentally deleted my own comment :/ so here's the short version)

For the 'scientifically minded' what is so difficult to accept about the idea that everything is connected? I know science looks at closed systems, investigate their behaviours and make predictions based on the observations as such. Mostly what is predictable within those closed sets of parameters can be applied as a general rule to a similar set in reality open system. However every scientist knows that the world is not never have been and never will be a closed system. Most of the observations are only valid under a set of circumstances which do not or at least not regularly occur naturally if at all. Science make assumptions, generalisations and even make up scenarious which are un-realistic and work under those sets of circumstances to find it's evidence.

Yet some cling to 'what ever the current established' scientific idea is as if it was the truth and nothing but. As if it was fool proof 100% only because it has been labelled a valid idea by other 'scientists' of the time.

I for one would like to point out that
1. Scientists are humans not gods
2. Scientist are a prone to make mistakes as other humans both in interpreting their observations and in drawing conclusions. (All science is is a set of rules for how to conduct investigations of, follow up on and share the observations in a way that is useful for further investigation and repeat use)
3. Science actually proves we are all connected in one way or another. (Why else would we create artificial environments in which to separate what we decide is one system and investigate it there in). Had we been separate systems un affected by other systems then investigating a system would easily be done in light of natural circumstances. Also we are all made up of the same stuff and this 'stuff' is in constant motion. We do not go through life with a set number of atoms and molecules made up of neutrons, protons and electrons with our names on them. We are made up of each others 'stuff' so to speak.

4. Quantum, micro and macro scales differs in the amount and size of the thing under investigation. That is all. So on the quantum scale of things we're investigating (as an example) effects on and of one spec of dust, on the micro a small collection of dust specs and macro whole dust balls of innumerable amounts of specks.

So my point is.... We are all connected. (No point in arguing whether that is the case until the day someone comes with a solid scientific model that tries to prove we are not) how we are connected and what the effects that connection have on us is the issue. Whilst discussing the issue recognise that we can not jump between quantum concepts to macro and assume they apply equally on both scales. However we can assume that either do have an effect on the other scale how ever minute.

Thought experiment:

If quantum entanglement is a fact. And we are constantly changing electrons with one another and our environments. Then is there a remote chance that we on one occasion or other could have a large enough number entangled electrons with another say person in our vicinity that it causes an effect strong enough to be seen in our macro scale of being? What could such an effect be and how could it be measured and proven?

Just an early in the morning rant something to think on when we argue back and fort using analogies like 'Scientist' approve or do not approve of an idea. Better discuss the actual idea in depth and pick it apart piece by piece even the bits we 'assume' are one way or another. That is what good science is all about....

Originally posted by karen61057
If that were true every parent who passed before their children would be working to make their childrens lives smooth and easy with abundance and happiness. My Mom, God rest her soul, cant even arrange for me to get a winning lottery scratcher and I know she would if she could. She was a big bingo player and loved Las Vegas and visited frequently while she was alive.

Schrodinger believed the only thing that survived after death was a person's karma, which would be improved on while conscious, and then passed on with a different quantity according to the prior life.

Perhaps your fortune of access to an internet, at an amazing time in history, speaking from peoples all across the world, with an abundance of knowledge and technology is an example of working to make their childrens lives smooth and easy with abundance and happiness having come true. If things were instant i.e. transcending time and space, there would be no purpose for spacetime's mechanism. Rupert Sheldrake has an interesting theory about it.

Sometimes it really depresses me when people can't see the beauty of the world around them or their place in it and part of it rather than being insignificant ants. ..And this is coming from a physicist! We aren't all as nihilistic as television makes us out to be. We, infact, think the universe is beauty made-manifest, and that each part possesses the beauty of the whole. The part is a whole in itself to a smaller part; all equally significant to the sum. The philosopher-physicist and philosopher-mathematicians are the modern day mystic sages.

The Force wells up from Source, where everything is an aspect of everything else. Vibration is all and the Force is sucked up from the spaces between vibration, these spaces which show the interconnectivity of different items through Source and their vibrational profiles.

Knowledge of this has been lost and our science remains decapitated until the Force and how to use it is rediscovered and put into use, this is how the ancient Indian vimanas were powered. This is my view on this 'unconventional science'.

I ran across this today and thought it might be relevant to the discussion....

"Evidence is growing for the involvement of quantum mechanics in a wide range of biological processes, including photosynthesis, bird migration, the sense of smell, and possibly even the origin of life."

www.livescience.com...

Originally posted by aBeneGesserit
I do believe that we all have the ability to tap into The Force/The Field/The Gift - but it's being blocked, in our modern times, by television signals, wi-fi signals, mobile masts, electricity pylons and radio frequencies.
They all interfere with the electrical impulses in our brains which means they influence how we think and feel. They also affect us physically by changing the frequencies our cells 'sing' at.

Well, the human brain does give off an electromagnetic field itself. For every force there is a counter force, for every action an equal and opposite reaction.



If you don't want it, block it. Life on Earth actually uses much of the harmful radiation that slips through to its benefit.

Turn Turn Turn Turn... PUSH!

I actually think the effects of electromagnetic radiation on humans are minimal, but do exist. We are (and have been) susceptible to radiation all throughout evolution, life on Earth is actually designed to exist in a certain amount of radiation; so the defense mechanism must already be there, it seems.

Beats me, but couldn't hurt to try right?

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Look up "Pauli and Jung." I think you will be quite surprised to see what Pauli was getting into on the side when the other physicists weren't around.