American Fascism: Identifying the cause in the response to Occupy

In this thread, beezzer linked to this article about PTSD symptoms beginning to show up among people within the Occupy movement.

After I'd read the initial linked blog post, however, I came across two comments attached to it, which I found extremely disturbing; I would almost say terrifying. The reason why these comments were so disturbing to me, was because of the amount of reading I've done about Germany under Adolf Hitler, and also about the political/social prerequisites which are necessary for the development of a fascist state.

We have Heros who survive War, years and years of combat, who actually have problems. These vile little commie rich spoiled entitled brats are so bold as to claim that they have suffered and are "victims" comparable to those who deal with death and real fear on a regular basis. This makes me sick. It has become time to give these Communists a taste of actual fear. Beat them in the streets, pound them into the Earth. Break them, destroy them, turn their violence back on them.

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The last sentence of this comment is particularly interesting. Breitbart's depiction of Occupy seems to have been successful in convincing conservatives that Occupy are an exclusively violent group. The perception among conservatives seems to be, that Occupy literally never hold a single event, ever, without it being an orgy of violence.

I've made the statement before, that I am aware that Black Bloc groups have tried to affiliate themselves with Occupy, and that yes, they have been violent; but I've also seen video footage of a number of Occupy events which didn't consist of much more than people quietly standing around; they weren't violent at all.

As I've said before, this seems to be a case of conservatives seeing what they want to see, irrespective of the actual reality; and what they want to see, is that Occupy are domestic terrorists.

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Well said. PTSD is a real thing. God Bless Our Troops that actually deal with stress that should make everyone that does not serve, humbly grateful. Our problems pale in comparison to what they face on our behalves. These greedy, ungrateful occupier pigs are fighting for handouts while our troops graciously fight to preserve their right to protest and whine like little spoiled brats.

In light of the recent Memorial Day holiday, my view is that EVERY DAY IS MEMORIAL DAY so long as even ONE AMERICAN SOLDIER is doing their noble duty to protect us all. Every day an American Soldier laces up and goes knowingly into harms way is a day we all should be thankful.

Let me repeat. EVERY DAY IS MEMORIAL DAY. Every day we owe it our heroes to reflect for at least a few moments on their service, dedication, honor, professionalism and their humility and grace as they put themselves at risk for freedom. They ask for nothing, do not complain and set an example of civic virtue.

EVERY DAY IS MEMORIAL DAY. Every day that we breath free air we are spending the fruits of the sacrifice of millions of American Soldiers. From the Revolution that created this great nation, the War of 1812, the Mexican American War, The Civil War, The Great War, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, The Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraq and every other conflict Great and Small that Americans have fought deserve reflection by every American Citizen. Your sacrifices are the reason we are the greatest, most free and prosperous nation to ever exist. Let us not let this Great Nation and beacon of freedom for all the world fade. Our Soldier are the shining light in darkness that brings freedom to the world.

Thank You. Thank You. We should all hope to live up to our duty as American Citizens to honor your sacrifice.

This second comment, is probably the single most terrifying political statement that I have ever seen made by an American, anywhere. To explain why, I need to quote you one of the points from The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism.

4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism. Ruling elites always identified closely with the military and the industrial infrastructure that supported it. A disproportionate share of national resources was allocated to the military, even when domestic needs were acute. The military was seen as an expression of nationalism, and was used whenever possible to assert national goals, intimidate other nations, and increase the power and prestige of the ruling elite.

I don't think the American public really understand, just how lethally dangerous, in social and political terms, the level of worship of the troops expressed in the above quoted comment, truly is.

The military as an organisation, do not exist for any fundamental purpose, other than to commit violence. As a result, any society which worships its' military more than any other element of it, is likewise going to worship violence, by extension.

The other problem with worshipping the troops to such a degree, is that soldiers, by definition, do not think. If there is one thing which is discouraged by military training, from what I have seen, it is active, fluid intelligence. Although this certainly is not true for the command structure, anti-intellectualism is prized among common soldiers; and while this rule, like all rules, has exceptions, it has also long been a truism that in inherent terms, intelligence is usually inversely proportional to physical strength. I witness on a near daily basis on this forum, the tragic spectacle of soldiers who consider themselves intelligent, and to have informed political opinions, when the reality is the exact opposite.

While to a certain extent that might be a necessary evil within a military hierarchy, it is disastrous for civilians, as it destroys their capacity to critically assess the actions of their government, which is vital for the maintenance of a free society.

If there is one thing I am beginning to observe about Americans, it is that the grotesquely exaggerated, cartoonish militant mindset depicted among the military within the film Avatar, and in the Gears of War and Call of Duty games, is beginning to exist in real life, and it is also apparently beginning to permeate the entire American population.

America is becoming literally, and visibly, fascist. The disease at this point is exceptionally visible and blatant. Among other things, this proves one, crucial point.

The great mass of the American public are not as powerless as they think.

They are choosing their government themselves, and they are doing so by exhibiting, and thinking and feeling, the level of hatred, aggression, and militarism shown within the comments of the above linked blog post.

Do not fear your level of inability to direct the nature of your government, Americans. Whether you realise it consciously or not, you are making choices, and you are getting what you have chosen.

You might want to start choosing a little more wisely.

Indeed. In the EXACT same way that many liberals have a knee-jerk response against anything 'tea party' related, no matter the obvious common ground actually presented, the social-conservatives lead around the nose by the likes of FOX and Breitbart.com form pre-determined opinions about "Occupy" without ever taking the time to make an actual, informed decision.

This is how 'tptb' keep 'us' separated. By playing to our fears, which prefer our ideas of ourselves to stay in the easy, predictable boxes the mass media have laid out. Thus, finding and recognizing the obvious common ground the two movements share is lost, and the country stays divided in their pseudo-differences while totally missing the enormous amount of overlap in key issues like campaign finance reform, term limits, n end to an ever expanding empire overseas, civil liberties at home, etc etc etc

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Oh, come on... Pay no attention to the foaming mouth. They're not threatening you, really.

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Addressing the second poster: Ain't history a real b!tch...

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Good thread. Its been obvious for a number of years that the US is spiraling further and further into fascism, and at this point, is unlikely to be stopped via any conventional means.

Just as Rome used to be a Republic and then turned into a bloated, glutenous empire that could only sustain itself through conquest, so to has America. But I doubt America will last any where near as long as the Roman empire did... America is already swirling the drain, and very soon (if not already), will only be America in name and face, hiding a hollow, vacuous core where once at least the ideals of liberty, freedom, justice, and prosperity, dwelt, but dwell no longer.

Ron Paul is the last hope, IMO... but Im pretty sure that the "land of the free" (lol) is going to collectively say "No thanks, Ron! I wanna see whats down that drain! LETS GO ROMNEY/OBAMA!"

Oh well.

American Fascism: Identifying the cause in the response to Occupy

Who are the fascists?

Is it the Tea Party, who promotes individuality?

or

Is it Occupy, who promotes government oversight into every aspect of our lives?

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Is it the Tea Party, who promotes personal responsibility?

or

Is it Occupy, who wants government to provide free education to all?

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Is it the Tea Party who promotes freedom in the market place?

or

Is it Occupy, who wants to cap salaries and punish success?

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Is it the Tea Party, who honours the soldiers who represent freedom?

or

Is it Occupy, who spits on thm?

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Is it the Tea Party, who wants smaller government, and to have government stay in DC?

or

Is it Occupy, who wants government everywhere?

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Who are the fascists?

Is it the Tea Party who gets endorsements from freedom-loving groups?

or

Is it Occupy, who gets endorsments from communists, marxists, socialists, nationalists?

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Who are the fascists?

Originally posted by beezzer

American Fascism: Identifying the cause in the response to Occupy

Is it the Tea Party, who honours the soldiers who represent freedom?

or

Is it Occupy, who spits on thm?

The soldiers don't represent freedom, either foreign or domestic. The soldiers represent unprovoked attrocities committed against foreign populations, ordered by psychopaths, for the sake of increasing corporate profit.

Yes, Occupy are largely Marxist. I don't disagree with that; I've written about it several times. That doesn't, however, make you any less wrong, or any less a victim of fascist mind control, where the military are concerned.

Originally posted by petrus4
The soldiers don't represent freedom, either foreign or domestic. The soldiers represent unprovoked attrocities committed against foreign populations, ordered by psychopaths, for the sake of increasing corporate profit.

Yes, Occupy are largely Marxist. I don't disagree with that; I've written about it several times. That doesn't, however, make you any less wrong, or any less a victim of fascist mind control, where the military are concerned.

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American soldiers represent freedom. Whether they are used towards that end or not is up to the civilian leadership in DC.

I'm glad we agree that Occupy is largely Marxist.

As a member of the military, I feel that I can speak better of the mindset and attitude of the military than those who only see it from the outside.

So what do the occupy folks want? More gov't?

Originally posted by beezzer
American soldiers represent freedom. Whether they are used towards that end or not is up to the civilian leadership in DC.

This is an abdication of personal responsibility. As we've seen in the case of Bradley Manning, there are one or two who are willing to break ranks when they see the wrong thing being done; but tragically, they are usually one or two out of literally millions. I'm going to assume that your response to that will likely be the conventional opinion that he was a traitor, as well.

I'm glad we agree that Occupy is largely Marxist.

Just because I identify them as being largely Marxist, doesn't mean I'm not capable of seeing that they can at times also make positive contributions.

The thing to understand about Marxism, is that as I've written before, it was a false and artificial codification by the Illuminati, of elements of non-psychopathic human nature (altruism and reciprocal self-interest) which were documented earlier by Kropotkin, and many others, such as Guatama Buddha. I advocate altruism; I do not advocate the Illuminati strawman, and I am able to tell the difference.

As a member of the military, I feel that I can speak better of the mindset and attitude of the military than those who only see it from the outside.

That is the standard defense, yes. Of course, what you don't take into account, is the fact that you also do not get told what your superiors do not want you to know.

Originally posted by HamrHeed
So what do the occupy folks want? More gov't?

a] I haven't seen them asking for that.

b] I do not understand how it is, that conservatives are unable to see that the central problem here, is the ownership of government by such individuals as Ben Bernanke, rather than the government itself.

I will be pro-government before I am ever pro-corporate. If conservatives consider me their enemy because I do not endorse demoniacs such as the Rockefellers, then guilty as charged.

Originally posted by HamrHeed
So what do the occupy folks want? More gov't?

Yes.
They do.

They identify corporate bribery, corporate irresponsibility with Wall Street and Wall Street alone.

They refuse to acknowlege that government is taking the bribes and making the laws that created the oppourtunity for Wall Street to take advantage.

They wnt free schooling, forgiveness of all student loan debt, more government oversight, larger government control over the environment, over individual rights.

What's with the attacks on EPA, coming from [if you believe 100% in 2 party system] right/GOP/republicans?

They forget own history, EPA was founded by a GOP, Nixon era admin.

Whether it was created with a hidden agenda to hide and control contaminations is another discussion(there is evidence of control).

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by HamrHeed
So what do the occupy folks want? More gov't?

a] I haven't seen them asking for that.

b] I do not understand how it is, that conservatives are unable to see that the central problem here, is the ownership of government by such individuals as Ben Bernanke, rather than the government itself.

I will be pro-government before I am ever pro-corporate. If conservatives consider me their enemy because I do not endorse demoniacs such as the Rockefellers, then guilty as charged.

Why the reactionary comment? My question wasn't an attempt to divide at all. It seems you have drawn a line in front of any conservative. That's weird considering you claim to be a libertarian

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by HamrHeed
So what do the occupy folks want? More gov't?

Yes.
They do.

They identify corporate bribery, corporate irresponsibility with Wall Street and Wall Street alone.

They refuse to acknowlege that government is taking the bribes and making the laws that created the oppourtunity for Wall Street to take advantage.

They wnt free schooling, forgiveness of all student loan debt, more government oversight, larger government control over the environment, over individual rights.

All those things cost money apparently
I just can't take them seriously. Maybe they need to get all the loud people away from the microphones. Why is it that people want to accumulate more debt as if it's payable right now? And they happen to be hardcore socialists? It's no wonder they smash windows and cause damage to even small business.Which in turn costs the taxpayer> Their enemy is the middle class not the 1%.
Thats my read on it anyways

Is this the anti beezer thread?

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Is this the anti beezer thread?

I may have struck a nerve.

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Everybody hate on the beez and then lat's talk sh!t about America.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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Everybody hate on the beez and then lat's talk sh!t about America.

If I tell someone that I think they are afflicted with mind control, that shouldn't be interpreted as a hateful statement. It's an invitation to engage in deprogramming, which will improve their wellbeing. Ergo, it's intended constructively.

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
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Everybody hate on the beez and then lat's talk sh!t about America.

If I tell someone that I think they are afflicted with mind control, that shouldn't be interpreted as a hateful statement. It's an invitation to engage in deprogramming, which will improve their wellbeing. Ergo, it's intended constructively.

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You don't think the same as I, ergo, you're under mind control.