Problems with astral travel . . .

Seemingly i am missing out on a very interesting way of travel.
I have researched into astral travel for a long time and the same questions bug me. I am not able to find answers on any sites that concider astra travel as "real" ... so i am hoping that maybe we will be able to answer them here.

Astral travel, is the projection of our "spiritual self", also known as energy. With this "energy" it is said astral travelers can still use most of our senses... (smell, sight, hearing ect)
But would it not stand that without our "body" traveling with us we would be unable to use these senses becuase the means of decoding them would not be possible. (nose, ears, eyes)

Personally i see "astral traveling" as a type of sleep.
Sleep is supposed to be a multi-level regenerative function. Regeneration happens on physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual levels. Each component of sleep has unique purposes, qualities, and initiating factors associated with it. These four levels of regeneration accurately describe the true nature of sleep. Dreaming is just the conscious interpretation of what occurs at a particular level.

Prehapes astral traveling may be a semi-concious sleep function, and atral travelers are not traveling liturally, but instead interperating images, senses and memories that are active while we sleep.

This would explain why memories of astral projection are often "broken up" and only bits-and-peices are remembered. Also why images, smells and sights are distorted and often more intense . . . as you would be experiancing these senses within a "interpretation" of sleep, thus being able to manipulate such senses to a personal desire.

I am no expert, and have failed many times trying to astral travel.
I would like to see what others think, not if astral travel is true or not, but if it is possible in a scienctific manner...

I see your point, but you are limiting your viewpoint. There are many, many people that can travel in the astral plane while awake. With enough training, practice, and meditation, people can "zone out" in the middle of the day and astrally project. They are aware of everything and can conciously return whenever they need to. Sure they may be in a sleep-like state in a deep enough meditation, but I don't think it's the same thing as sleeping. There are also a lot of people who remember everything after their experience, and others who can physically tell where certain things are located by travelling through the astral plane. If it were nothing more than a dream, the mind would not be able to know these things, unless dreaming in and of itself is precognitive. It is also thought that the government itself hires people like this to get intel. and predictions.

Scientifically speaking, I believe it is real. The human brain uses only 15% of what it is capable of, and during sleep and deep meditative states, I believe that the brain is able to unleash itself and use slightly more of it's power. During these states your body isn't of use, so your mind can be more active. If you think about it, information and data flows to our brain through waves and we interpret it and form it into concious thoughts. Technically, if we were "smart" enough wouldn't we be able to utilize the true power of our brain and see beyond just what our body sees. I think that data is being transmitted all over the place, (ie radio waves, micro waves, etc, etc) If our brain is honed enough we could pick up on this stuff and know what is going on at greater distances. During astral projection, I think this is possible. Even certain things like a global concious, and possible knowing what others are thinking, becasue technically it's all just brain waves and what you yourself can interpret. Imagine what we could be capable of if we could use even 50% of our brain's power...

[edit on 3-10-2004 by Ajax]

Originally posted by Ajax
It is also thought that the government itself hires people like this to get intel. and predictions.

Is this your personal thought? Or do you have a link to an article or something that explains this statement.

Thanks

I have read a few pieces on this and there have been others on this site that talk about it. I know one post in particular was fascinating, it talked about a guy who was in the military and was able to astrally project and meet other people. He met up with someone who sort of became his mentor and helped him hone his skills. In that I believe he learned about the government and how they have people like this that they used. Let me try to find you some links.

[edit on 3-10-2004 by Ajax]

Here you go, found the PERFECT thread with regards to your question.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Let me see if I can't find some more.

thank you so much for you thoughta Ajax! you are the first person that i have found willing to relate any scientific knowledge to astral travel. I will defiantly continue looking into the issue.

another curious question. . .
If "brain is able to unleash itself" what would you presume this "energy", "light", "power" (ect. you get what i mean, so many sites use different terms) ... would be made up of?

i have heard thoughts about astra travel related to the soul, and ether.
Any ideas?

Ummm, my understanding was we actually use ALL of our brain, just not all at the same time. And I can guess you're next question, if we used ALL of our brain at the same time, it just means we could do everything we can do now, but all at the same time (ie: instead of having to stop talking to someone to listen to a hardcore scientific show, you could probably do both without any effort at all).

It IS interesting however that our average brain volume is increasing. It's grown almost 200ml in the last century, so I think we are evolving towards something based on brains not brawn, but what it is you're guess is as good as mine.

Originally posted by evecasino

Originally posted by Ajax
It is also thought that the government itself hires people like this to get intel. and predictions.

Is this your personal thought? Or do you have a link to an article or something that explains this statement.

Thanks

They actually used people to do remote veiwing alot back in the 60's and 70's i think.. i can research this but I do know for fact they did do this alot back in the day.. they say they quit the program but for some reason I seriously doubt it.