Cops gun down man for legally carrying firearm... WND

Originally posted by albertabound
I'm willing to bet the majority of the blame is on the LPO. With all due respect, he's working at Costco. He's probably not all up there, or else extremely bitter...because he works at Costco. He most likely said "OFFICEWWW, OFFICEWW, BAD MAN HAVE GUN!!"

I found a picture of the "Loss Prevention Specialist" in question.

reply to post by OldCorp


I agree with you.

I cant believe that police rules of engagement state that if you are responding to a call with reports of an armed person being present, gives guidance to shot said person on sight even if the person is not being a threat. That is cowardous. Even more cowardous is the fact that amercans dont know this, because police want to have people thinking they stand a fair chance. When in acuallity death awaits them.

We should be on the same rules as them.
At some point we must protect ourselves from the BAD cops.

I understand there are bad civilians and police dont know who is good and who is bad. The same goes for cops. We dont know which ones are good or bad. Sooooooooooo ......

reply to post by benrl


I sure bet the family of the dead people in the seattle at the coffee shop.Wish someone had a ccw permit.Cowgirl

Originally posted by diakrite

Originally posted by spyder550
When you build a world based on wild west fantasy, and everybody is a gunslinger -- things escalate. What to carry guns everywhere - what else do people expect to happen?

Exáctly my point.
I am an ex-milpo officer, and wouldn't have taken the risk of an armed guy drawing first..sooo..

Have gun--] get war-zone. Choices.

Me either, that's why if a police officer ever approaches me I make sure I shoot him first.

I have a hard time discerning seriousness and trolling in some of these responses. My above comment was obviously not serious. I have a hard time with the "ohh why was this guy so scared in a Costco" type comments. Did people not hear about the guy who opened fire at a Seattle COFFEE SHOP last week? Or the nutcase that went on a rampage at Virginia Tech...A COLLEGE! Is it really that hard to understand that not all "bad guys" are going to commit violent crimes in the "bad part" of town?

Originally posted by FortAnthem

This email is in response to your October 20, 2006 letter to our Investor Relations department, regarding Costco's "No Firearms" policy at its warehouse stores.

As an initial matter, Costco is not a place of "public accommodation" within the meaning of civil rights laws. The definition of "public accommodation" does not include a bona fide private club or other establishment that is not in fact open to the public. Costco Wholesale is a membership-only warehouse club. It is not open to the general public. It restricts membership to a limited group of qualified individuals who agree to membership conditions. We have the right, and the obligation to our members, to enact and enforce membership rules. The Member Service Employees at the exit doors are obliged to follow these rules. By obtaining a Costco membership card, our members agree to comply with the Membership Rules and the Privileges and Conditions of membership.

Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace. Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world. This is not a new policy and we do not customize the policy for each individual city/county/state/country where we do business.The shopping experience is not enhanced by bringing a firearm into our warehouse.

JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP [quote/]

Can anyone else see the irony in this?
They say that they don't want weapons in their store to 'protect' their customers. Yet a customer is dead because of this. I'll also be so bold as to assume that nobody has ever died in the shop by
So yes does seem dangerous to bring a weapon legally into Costco as YOU COULD BE SHOT, rather than you being the shooter!

The guy that called the police could have asked to see the licence and then informed the man not to bring t again, case closed, man still alive.

Originally posted by DaTroof
Why the hell does anyone need a gun inside of Costco?

Irrational fear on the part of the gun owner is what caused this whole mess. Leave your gun at home, cowboy.

I sure bet the family of the people killed in the coffee shop in Seattle.Wish someone there had a CCW permit in there.Cowgirl

Originally posted by Apheon
I fail to see why Cops feel the need to shoot you seven times...

I mean is that not obvious they are trying to kill you?

I agree. When I was in the Navy I believed in one shot one kill. Its because they have watched way to many movies and TV shows.

Originally posted by spyder550

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
reply to post by acuna

 

What probably happened is that a coward that wanted to wear a badge responded to the call and instead of handling the situation with some intelligence and bravery by walking up to Scott and questioning him or stating that he was not allowed to have a firearm in Cosco he acted with the typical cowardly cop mentality of shoot first and ask questions later..

My cowardly son in law - is going to come home to his daughters - my grand daughters. I'm good with that.

I'm good with cops coming home to their kids too. But what do you think would happen if he were to do the same thing as the cop at the COSTCO - only in his case, the legally entitled carrier of a firearm is quicker on the draw?

NOBODY needed to die here. This tragedy would have been prevented if the responding police officer wasn't a trigger happy pussy.

Originally posted by Stupe
reply to post by DrMattMaddix

 

Why don't you tell the whole story? How about the part when the cops told him to freeze and put his hands up? Many witnesses stated that at that point he reached for his gun. Whether or not his intentions were good at that point, he still reached for his gun, which could be seen as a threat. It's a shame that this man died, but to claim the police just shot him for no reason is disgraceful.

Not sure where you're getting your information, but this is from the source in the OP:

As Scott and his girlfriend fell in with other patrons flowing out of the exit door, the Loss Prevention Officer who started the whole mess pointed toward Scott and a police officer at the door suddenly began yelling “Stop! I said Stop! Drop the gun! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!”

He fired these conflicting commands in quick succession giving Scott no opportunity to comply with any of them and then fired two rounds at Scott’s chest. As the officer began yelling and Scott realized he was the subject of the commands, he turned, lifting his hands, and apparently tried to follow the legal requirement to immediately inform an officer that he was an armed weapons permit holder, but he didn’t have time.

The officer’s frantic orders lasted for a slow count of 3 and were immediately followed by the two gunshots, a momentary pause, and a volley of several more shots. There was no pause or hesitation between the commands and the shots. The first round struck Erik Scott in the heart, the second hit his right thigh. As he collapsed to the ground, two other officers fired 5 more shots into his back. Numerous witnesses reported that they saw Scott turn and declare that he was a permit holder. Many said they could see both of his hands and that he made no threatening move.

emphasis added

If he did reach for his gun, the article states he was asked to put it down (was he holding it, or did he reach or it to put it down?).

Of course, the article in kinda sensationalist and contradictory in itself, so i dunno. Regardless, it doesn't appear he did any thing to warrant his killing, regardless of what the coroner or the courts found. While he was in his right to legally carry, he also must "follow commands" issued by the police, but even if he didn't--and wasn't a gun brandishing threat, he should not have been shot.

But cops only know what they hear. "There's a man with a gun at Costco. He will not disarm," turns into "armed man at Costco will not disarm" and the irrational escalations result in a man's death.

Very Sad.

It is going to be funny when it gets to the point that these trigger happy cops start to shot each other. Cops shooting cops, I like the sound of that.

Originally posted by BigBruddah
reply to post by DrMattMaddix

 

People kill people, guns are just a tool... The employee however can't be blamed if its the store policy for no guns as hes just doing his job. The policeman needs to be punished though. You'd think someone with that much experience would realise he isn't a threat.

the costco loss prevention employee is very much to blame for part of this, and he should also be dealt with accordingly.
as for these cowards who have phobia's of firearms it sounds like the cop had the same phobia as well. Why isnt this plastered all over CNN? this is more atrocious than that trayvon martin case in my opinion.
the cops are making it easier and easier everyday for us to want to throw them all in the street and do the same thing to them. too bad this poor victim didnt get a chance to get a couple shots back off at the cop. technically it would be self defense at that point. and if any mods think I'm inciting violence against law enforcement, think again. I'm inciting self preservation.

Originally posted by OldCorp

Originally posted by spyder550

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
reply to post by acuna

 

What probably happened is that a coward that wanted to wear a badge responded to the call and instead of handling the situation with some intelligence and bravery by walking up to Scott and questioning him or stating that he was not allowed to have a firearm in Cosco he acted with the typical cowardly cop mentality of shoot first and ask questions later..

My cowardly son in law - is going to come home to his daughters - my grand daughters. I'm good with that.

I'm good with cops coming home to their kids too. But what do you think would happen if he were to do the same thing as the cop at the COSTCO - only in his case, the legally entitled carrier of a firearm is quicker on the draw?

NOBODY needed to die here. This tragedy would have been prevented if the responding police officer wasn't a trigger happy pussy.

Bravo Zulu Oldcorp.

I regret the day if I'm ever faced with making that decision because I would much rather be judged by 12 of my peers than carried by 6.

Semper Fidelis!

Originally posted by OldCorp

Originally posted by spyder550

Originally posted by Nucleardiver
reply to post by acuna

 

What probably happened is that a coward that wanted to wear a badge responded to the call and instead of handling the situation with some intelligence and bravery by walking up to Scott and questioning him or stating that he was not allowed to have a firearm in Cosco he acted with the typical cowardly cop mentality of shoot first and ask questions later..

My cowardly son in law - is going to come home to his daughters - my grand daughters. I'm good with that.

I'm good with cops coming home to their kids too. But what do you think would happen if he were to do the same thing as the cop at the COSTCO - only in his case, the legally entitled carrier of a firearm is quicker on the draw?

NOBODY needed to die here. This tragedy would have been prevented if the responding police officer wasn't a trigger happy pussy.

Old Corp...............
You Rock!!!!

I've read through 2 pages and can't seem to understand why NOBODY wants to mention that....

To shop at Costco, you have to become a private member who agrees to the Terms and Conditions that are outlined in a membership agreement.

You can go around on and talk all you want about drug use on nearly every other forum on the net. But, you can't here. Is that a violation of free speech? No. You agree to the Terms and Conditions when becoming a member of ATS. If you break the rules, you kicked out.

Same with Costco. If you violate the terms and conditions by bringing a gun into a Costco, they kick you out.

I'm not saying the guy deserves to be shot. But you guys need to realize that the guy forfeited his right to carry a gun in Costco when he became a member.

reply to post by Liquesence


I got my information from several articles published by the Las Vegas Sun, a reputable newspaper. Not from another site that, by the looks of it, is filled with watered down conspiracy theories.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd

I'm not saying the guy deserves to be shot. But you guys need to realize that the guy forfeited his right to carry a gun in Costco when he became a member.

It's irrelevant. Violating store policy (not a law) is reason to be asked to leave nothing more. Not reason to have a uniformed death squad sent to gun you down.

If this is how policies are enforced I better think twice before bringing outside candy to the movies. Wouldnt want to die face down in a pool of blood over some Whoppers.

the cop should get trailed for murder

Live by the sword, Die by the sword. Oldest saying in the book. I Dont see why you all think it doesnt still apply nowadays.

You want 50% of the worlds guns in one country, and gun in almost every hand, and then wonder why you have only slightly less firearm murders a year than drug cartel run Columbia...

Im not against gun ownership at all, dont get me wrong, But you cant have millions of guns without thousands of people being gunned down.

Everyone knows if you carry a gun, You better be ready to use it. And if you truley carry it for protection from "all" enemies, foreign and domestic, Then dont complain when the "domestic" enemies shoot you. Isnt this why you all have guns in the first place? So you gonna use them for what you actually say you need them for? Anytime would be nice lol.

And that my friend is the joke of your gun laws. Sure guns are great to protect you, but how many of you have actually saved a life with your guns, on American soil? Compared to how many are shot and killed, each and every day, day after day. On average 10 people a day, every day are killed by firearms in the states (3500 people a year). And the King of England has been dead for how long?

Non-issue.

Police respond to a call from Costco involving an armed trespasser.

What is the story here?

reply to post by thisguyrighthere


It's absolutely relevant to the discussion being had. I was pretty clear in stating that he didn't deserve to be shot. That post was directed at the idiots who think it's legal to bring a gun into Costco.