Cops gun down man for legally carrying firearm... WND

reply to post by DaTroof


i will celebrate the day when someone breaks into your house, you attempt to defend yourself with your 5 iron or your ginsu knife and are gunned down.

let me guess, you're one of those people that believe only cops and military should have guns, amirite?

pathetic.

They Should Bring Back The Old Wild West Laws & regulations

its sad ... he had a Concealed Weapons Permit !

The State & Federal just doesn't Hand Over This type of Permit to Anybody

without a background history

is this Cop a Rookie ?

Will the Federal Government Make a Firearm a Privilege instead of a Right..

The Only People I See that should NOT have a Firearm is a Person with a HISTORY of VIOLENCE

or He just Should of Showed his Permit ... Second thought....
if he had the Permit in his Wallet that's in His Coat on the Same Side of his Concealed Firearm

Ahh there may be a Problem ... the Catch 22

reply to post by WhatAreThey


Unfortunately, as MANY of the pro gun advocates in this thread have painfully shown, some people aren't mature enough to own a firearm.

Again, gun ownership requires and demands responsibility. If you're an idiot who thinks that it's absolutely necessary to bring your firearm into the grocery store with you, there's a serious problem with your level of responsibility.

Also, if you are asked to leave private property because of your inability to understand gun ownership responsibilities. And they are forced to call the police because you simply refuse to leave, and the police actually arrive on the scene and you are still there. You have a serious problem with gun ownership responsibility.

Gun ownership is fine, it's one of the great things about living in this country. But people must understand, respect, and treat guns as the weapons they are. Guns aren't a fashion accessory, guns aren't a toy, guns aren't a political statement. Guns are a weapon. And if people simply cannot understand that. They are too immature to own a firearm and are more dangerous to society at large than the people they claim to be defending themselves against.

Like most of the pro gun people in this thread. I wouldn't trust them with a flyswatter let alone a loaded firearm. They simply don't understand that a gun isn't a licence to be a douchebag. They never will get that, and that truly saddens me. It's these people that are the primary reason that there are more and more gun restrictions on the books.

These people tout the second amendment like it's their right to be a jerk. It's not, as a gun owner it's your right to own a firearm, but it's your responsibility to treat that firearm with the respect and maturity level that a firearm demands. If you simply don't get that, then please for the safety and security of those around you, sell your firearms before you hurt or kill someone. And leave gun ownership to the grownups who truly know how to be mature around a weapon.

I agree, it's an irrational fear of guns but it's also thug cops who don't know how to control their adrenaline and their temper.

What needs to happen is these cops need to have mandated training on how to proceed when dealing with otherwise peaceful citizens who may happen to be carrying and causing an unnecessary scene and probably traumatizing a few children is not the way to proceed. My question is, why was it necessary for the cop to stop the guy? He was on his way out, leaving just like he was asked. Why did the cop feel the need to stop him?

I tend to believe the psychology behind the cops reaction is one of ego; they no longer have the upper hand and it pisses them off. They feel the need to exercise their authority, to the extreme, due to an ego that has been deflated by an "equalizer". Make no mistake, cops love power and power is the reason half of them are cops. The other half genuinely want to serve and take down bad guys. I live in a concealed-carry state...no permit, but I don't carry because I honestly believe it is unnecessary and quite frankly, a big pain in the ass. However, I do respect and fully support anyone's right to do so, when done responsibly.

reply to post by Chickensalad


Loss prevention security on duty, but yet they claim to have no working cameras. What a load of crap. Loss preventions main line of defense IS cameras. So what you have here is a conspiracy of cops and Cosco covering their butts.

reply to post by DaTroof


It's not the point; he was legally carrying a firearm. I live in a city where it doesn't snow and people drive lifted 4x4's with huge tires. One could argue that's an irrational fear of getting stuck on dry pavement but that doesn't nullify their right to do so and furthermore it wouldn't justify them being terrorized or even kill for doing so.

In a case like this, rule of law is what matters and he was within the law. Whether you like the law or agree with it is another matter. Quite frankly, it's none of YOUR business why he was carrying.

Habtu’s article also brings up the statistic that four CCW permit holders have committed firearms-related murder this year, four in almost an entire year. How many crimes are committed each year by people illegally carrying firearms or with illegal firearms themselves? The U.S. Department of Justice states on its Web site that of the 16,137 murders in 2004, 66 percent or 10,650 were committed with firearms. The four occurrences she has listed seem to be outweighed by this statistic. The Texas Department of Public Safety released a study in May of 1999 that showed that permit holders in Texas accounted for 0.246 percent of all aggravated assault crimes that involved a deadly weapon, four out of 1,629 convictions. It also shows that there were 3,303 convictions for people unlawfully carrying a weapon: One percent of these were permit holders. In the year 1999 the rate of murder convictions for permit holders in Texas was zero percent. There were none. I think that you will find that the ratio of crimes committed by permit holders to total permit holders is a tiny percentage compared to crimes committed by those without permits

Concealed carry saves many lives, takes few

It's not all bad. Bad people have guns, so good guys need guns too. Guns are never going to go away.

Educate yourself, arm yourself, protect your family and don't be a victim.

reply to post by HauntWok


ok anti gun people, lets say YOU are in costco and a crazed gunman walks in and starts shooting people at random.

i'll bet then YOU WISHED YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE HAD A GUN!

Originally posted by FortAnthem




If I had known about this policy, I never would have bought a membership to that place. Its not like they advertize it at the door. I'll seriously have to think about canceling my membership over this.

ETA: I hope criminals take note of this policy and react accordingly. There's nothing they like more than an unarmed target. Its the reason those mass school shootings are so successful.

so much for that theory...

most stores do have a posted policy at the door that prohibit firearms. it is private property, you are not entitled to constitutional rights on someone elses property...

kudos to you for wishing violence upon law abiding citizens though...

So the cop gave conflicting commands within a three second window then shot the guy? Anti gun ATS members will attempt to justify this?

If there's a reason I don't carry firearm around the Las Vegas Metro jurisdiction it's because I am unsure of the level of training and competence on the part of the police (I'm well aware of my own, but who else is?), and as far as the general populace goes well let's just say they are programmed to be scared and wary 24/7 these days. This case is a good example of that. Also, I do believe Las Vegas Metro has a bit of a history recently with questionable officer involved shootings.

Carrying firearms in some states such as mine may indeed be a right, but more often than not it's complete overkill and can lead to a "misunderstanding" with an out of shape trigger happy Metro Officer.

reply to post by lonewolf10


Who needs a gun? It's Costco, there's literally hundreds of different products that can be improvised into a weapon.

& don't lump me in with the Anti Gun crowd. I am pro gun, however I am anti idiot.

And that's what this guy was, an idiot.

If you think that there are crazed gunmen around every corner, and feel the need to pack heat "just in case" 9 times out of 10, you are going to end up being that crazed gunman. If you are so paranoid that you feel the need to go grocery shopping with a firearm. Chances are good that your mental health is severely compromised.

I would suggest seeking out a mental health professional, and please, don't bring your gun with you.

reply to post by HauntWok


What are some places that a person should carry a firearm to protect themselves?
Coffee shop, college, high school, shopping mall?

Originally posted by HauntWok
reply to post by WhatAreThey

 

Again, gun ownership requires and demands responsibility. If you're an idiot who thinks that it's absolutely necessary to bring your firearm into the grocery store with you, there's a serious problem with your level of responsibility.

6/02/2012 Toronto Eaton Center food court shooting kills 1, injures 7.

Male, 25, dead
Male, 20, critical condition
Male, 13, critical condition
Female, no age given, serious condition
Male, no age given, serious condition
Female, no age given, serious condition
Pregnant female, no age given, went into labour after being knocked down
Female, no age given, grazed by bullet

www.cbc.ca...

I don't think it's absolutely necessary to carry my CCW anywhere it particular - which is why I carry it everywhere.

Originally posted by HauntWok
reply to post by lonewolf10

 

Who needs a gun? It's Costco, there's literally hundreds of different products that can be improvised into a weapon.

& don't lump me in with the Anti Gun crowd. I am pro gun, however I am anti idiot.

And that's what this guy was, an idiot.

If you think that there are crazed gunmen around every corner, and feel the need to pack heat "just in case" 9 times out of 10, you are going to end up being that crazed gunman. If you are so paranoid that you feel the need to go grocery shopping with a firearm. Chances are good that your mental health is severely compromised.

I would suggest seeking out a mental health professional, and please, don't bring your gun with you.

It sounds like YOUR mental health has been compromised. Apparently, you see society as some kind of safe haven - especially COSTCO, lol.

Haven't you noticed that virtually ALL crimes are done inside of civilized society? In fact, it's where 100% of the school, mall, grocery store, parking lot, etc... shootings occur!

I'll take your position when you remove your spare tire from your trunk, cancel your health insurance and home insurance, cut out your seat belts, and remove all the airbags from your car and keep driving it along with making a camp fire in your living room nightly.

I mean, you aren't getting flat tire, getting into accidents everyday, or burning your house down every night.... right????

Originally posted by MJZoo
reply to post by HauntWok

 

What are some places that a person should carry a firearm to protect themselves?
Coffee shop, college, high school, shopping mall?

I'm guessing he would list:

1) Gang infested areas
2) War zones
3) Places where murderers congregate
4) Rape parties
5) Child molester workshops
6) Kidnapping conventions

You know, the typically places where you should protect yourself! Ha!

He probably brings his wooden stake and silver bullets with him when he goes to the graveyard, too!!

... because he just knows where he is going to need his weapons.

Originally posted by lonewolf10
reply to post by HauntWok

 

ok anti gun people, lets say YOU are in costco and a crazed gunman walks in and starts shooting people at random.

i'll bet then YOU WISHED YOU OR SOMEONE ELSE HAD A GUN!

Oh please! Costco doesn't even allow guns, so there couldn't possibly be a shooting!

Originally posted by DaTroof
Why the hell does anyone need a gun inside of Costco?

Irrational fear on the part of the gun owner is what caused this whole mess. Leave your gun at home, cowboy.

When you're out in the street, getting stomped by gang members, or in the middle of a store robbery, don't ask one of us suffering from "irrational fear" to help. Get out and take a look around. Violence is everywhere. My gun goes where I go.

Double post. Wireless mouse is acting crazy.

Triple post.


Mouse has a mind of it's own.

Originally posted by sean
Not sure why they would drop the lawsuit. If the store has a policy against guns then they can ask the person to leave. The thing is how many people walk up to the doors of the stores they are entering and actually look for a policy and read them? lol So someone saw he had a gun and they flipped out. A man armed but shopping in the store yeah that sounds like a threat alright. God some people are so freaking ignorant!!! Then the police show up and guns the guy down before he even realizes what's going on. How can they possibly call this a justified shooting of a man leaving the store after buying goods or whatever and has a permit to carry concealed?? Oh yeah that looks real good on the report. I would have sued their asses off 6 different ways to sunday.

edit on 3-6-2012 by sean because: (no reason given)

People who carry cancealed better be looking for the proper signs and better not enter if the signs are posted. That is just a part of carrying concealed. Also in most states if you have a concealed license and a cop pulls you over you must hand both the gun and driver license whether your carrying or not. These are things all that do carry know.

Policies mean nothing if the signs are not correctly posted. A policy only means they can ask you to leave if the gun is noticed. For the signs to be correct they must be the correct size, lettering, color, written in Spanish/English, proper statement and posted at all doorways. After all that is done then they are posted correctly. The normal universal "no" symbol around a gun that everyone sees means nothing.