I make my own liposomal vit C. This stuff is frickin AMAZING!!!!!

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So, the 100 degree lecithin mix doesn't inactivate the Vit C with the heat?

Originally posted by kaylaluv
reply to post by Julie Washington

 

So, the 100 degree lecithin mix doesn't inactivate the Vit C with the heat?

This is what I thought too??? That heat destroys the vit c. Anyone know for sure?

reply to post by kaylaluv


Vitamin C can tolerate a low heat to 120 F safely for a short period of time. There is some degradiation even at room temperature.

The far larger damage to Vitamin C comes from oxygen.

Source

reply to post by Julie Washington

Hi Julie

Thank you for the update.
Questions...

Why do you need to cool prior to sonication if you do not go above 100 degrees?
Do you use the heater on your unit while sonicating?
Have you tried the 6 Cup batch yet...the 4 cups to 2 cups?
Did you try the baking soda test for encapsulation?

Thank you so much much for all the information you share with all of us.
Unfortunately I ran low on the Liquid Sunflower lecithin & reordered last week.
I originally ordered from Lekthos ~ $30 for 16 oz including shipping.
This time I ordered from Azure Standard $8.55 per 32 oz times 2 plus shipping was $36.10.

I bloody hope it arrives tomorrow. I have had to cut back & had one 2 oz shot on Sat, Sun & today & I am totally out. Will plan better next time. The Sunflower granules are cheaper but I
cannot find any at the moment since the Lecisun Lecithin Granules have been discontinued.

Thank you for your time!

Cheers
Ektar

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DO you think it would make a difference taste wise to add the baking soda after the mixture is done going through the ultrasonic phase? I was curious because it would make sense that the baking soda and any other ingredients to be encapsulated in the lipid "lecithin" which then those would get absorbed into blood easier as well. i.e. would the stevia crystals get surrounded in the lecithin when going through the jewelry cleaner, making the stevia pass through your digestive system, getting a stevia buzz straight to your bloodstream?

So i was just sitting here eating supper with the CBS evening news on in the background and they had a story how certain foods, like red meats and eggs, were linked to heart disease in a new study. As they were going into the details about it they said that those foods contained high amounts of lecithin and that the lecithin reacted with bacteria in the gut that would then create "TMAO"s, these TMAOs would then travel through the arteries and cause blockages that could then lead to a major cardiac event.......

guess i'm screwed as i take lipo vita c and am on the atkins diet right now (meat and eggs), so i'm getting slammed with lecithin, guess i'm going to die soon

Originally posted by blackangel13
So i was just sitting here eating supper with the CBS evening news on in the background and they had a story how certain foods, like red meats and eggs, were linked to heart disease in a new study. As they were going into the details about it they said that those foods contained high amounts of lecithin and that the lecithin reacted with bacteria in the gut that would then create "TMAO"s, these TMAOs would then travel through the arteries and cause blockages that could then lead to a major cardiac event.......

guess i'm screwed as i take lipo vita c and am on the atkins diet right now (meat and eggs), so i'm getting slammed with lecithin, guess i'm going to die soon

I'm doing research on this now. In the mean time, I found a response on another forum about this topic that was interesting:

The human body mobilizes lecithin, cholesterol and some one dozen other major molecules and minerals IN RESPONSE to inflammation, oxidative stress and free radical tissue injury. Lecithin may be a marker but certainly not a trigger. 50 years of research upholds lecithin's importance in heart health. To conjecture, otherwise, is highly misleading. Pedestrian thinking for persons occupying such a nice building.

It's vital to do more research on this as well. I also take Acetyl-L-Carnitine which gives me a HUGE improvement in mood and energy levels as well, and it came out a couple weeks ago that it also causes increase in TMAO leading to blocked arteries, specifically in meat eaters, but not in vegetarians (I am vegetarian)

Also found this:

The correlation between betaine oxides and heart disease can have three causal relationships: 1) the oxides cause heart disease, 2) heart disease causes choline oxidation, or 3) something else causes both. Presumably, the statistics rules out the fourth possibility that there is no causal relationship at all.

ALso here's a list of possibilities:

One: TMAO (trimethylamine oxide) causes heart disease
Two: heart disease causes TMAO
Three: something else causes both.
Other possibilities for consideration…

4. Activation of peroxisomal metabolism.
5. Cytokine induction by pre-existing inflammatory process.
6. Suppression of phagocytosis and other modulations of immune function by fatty acid peroxides.
7. Decreased dismutation of TMAO by decreased ascorbate? (like nitrosamine dismutation)

Either way, if Lecithin is bad for your heart, then this really sucks. There may be some other way to make lipo-c that I'm about to research.

I'm still on the fence though at this point

reply to post by blackangel13


These folks here do a great job of debunking that study, here is a link with more information.

Re: new study links carnitine with heart disease?

vitamincfoundation.org...

I got a sore throat the other day, had run out of my ingredients to make lipo C, went to the store and picked up what I need and got busy making the stuff.

I kept getting bad allergy attacks, sneezing, runny nose and watery eyes, only found relief by taking the lipo C. Ended up drinking 46 oz in a ten hour period, felt great and never got worse, only better.

How interesting regarding red meat & eggs. I started Lipo C on 15 March taking
1 teas in am & 1 Tab pm; 16th 1oz in am & 1 oz 1:30pm; 17th 1oz am & 1 oz pm;
18th 2oz 6am & 2oz 1:30pm; 19th 2oz 6am & 2oz 1:30pm;
Made 2nd batch...20th 2oz 8am & 2oz at 2:30pm...21st 2 oz at 8am & 2 oz at 2 pm...
22nd 2.5oz at 6:30am...2oz at 11am & 2,5 oz at 2pm...then the following 3 to 4 days I
tried 3 oz 3 times a day....too much so I backed off...
I currently take 2 oz 3 times a day using a stronger dose...

Been using 2 cups of Distilled Water with 6 Tab of Sunflower Liq Lecithin
1/2 cup Distilled water with 3 Tab Vit C & 1/2 cup Distilled water with 3 Tab Baking Soda

I had full blood work done on 21 March. On 8 April I had doctor's appointment
to give results. I am over 50 yrs old & me blood work was SO perfect the Nurse
Practitioner literally reread it at least 3 to 4 times because they could not believe
what they were seeing...I kid you not...Liver Enzymes perfect...everything was perfect!
I was told that they do a full comparative which is a good thing...

Cholesterol I believe was 291 & was told that without the full comparative that
the results would be high enough to put me on meds right away...
But the cholesterol that was high was ALL the GOOD Cholesterol & they were
shocked at that...

I take me vitamins in high doses besides the Lipo C... D was perfect & I take 10,000 u
per day. They found absolutely nothing, not even a hint of anything wrong in the blood
or urine test. I was shocked too!

I eat red meat 2 to 3 times a week, mostly 2...Me diet consist of Mon - Fri
Breakfast Egg Beaters extremely low in calories & fat, fresh melon, or 1/2
the recipe of thick rolled oats Bob's ed Mill.

Lunch maybe...if so Non Fat cottage cheese with sliced tomatoes, fresh ground pepper
& ground sea salt
Dinner
A large bowl of Steamed Broccoli with 1/2 to 1 teas or more of minced Garlic &
Lemon Juice, ground pepper, ground sea salt & non-fat & low fat cheese 3 to 4 nights
a week.
The other nights I will have a quesadilla with left over veggies from the weekend grill
or smoked salmon or refried bean quesadilla all with lots of Hot Sauce!

I am so addicted to Broccoli even after eating it this way for 2 to 3 yrs even w/o cheese!

This is just to maintain me weight after losing 65 lbs... so I will not alter except eat less
& eating more fish.

Lipo C, please read post from late March April has changed me life drastically. What sucks
is I ran out of the Sunflower lecithin & last 2 oz dose was on Monday morning.

I have been making the same recipe as Julie Washington...except I add the Sodium Bicarbonate.
I have never had any separation at all.

I hope this info will help Dominicus! You have been AWESOME to us ALL!

Cheers
Ektar

A masterful article that tears apart the red meat/lecithin/heart disease story:

Latest Meat Scare: 'Shocking Ignorance'

The meat-will-kill-you brigade was out in full force last week. This time, the media frenzy and exaggerated headlines were the result of research being published in the journal Nature Medicine.

The article is caled, Intestinal microbiota metabolism of L-carnitine, a nutrient in red meat, promotes atherosclerosis.

Translation: When gut bacteria process L-carnitine, which is found in red meat, it leads to hardening of the arteries.

Based on that title and the claims made in the article, perhaps extreme headlines are justified?

Well, let’s take a look at the headlines, the basic premise, and how some thought leaders have interpreted the research. Hopefully, this article will provide you with some insights and the proper starting point for you to continue to looking into the issue if you wish.

Even if the Internet is robbing you of our ability to focus, it’s worth following along just to cut through this round of BS and in order to better recognize the next round, which is sure to come.

Source

thanks all! when i heard the story it stunk of BS to me, i knew if i came and posted it here i would get the truth in short order even if TMAO caused heart disease, from the vita c foundation link, it sounds like those of us taking lipo vita c are covered since TMAO comes from TMA that has been oxidized and since vita c is an anti oxidant we are good

ETA: i especially love this from the comments section of the article julie posted

Yes, and just in case people aren't looking into the money-trail that Colpo sniffed out...here is a patent application that lists three of the study's authors as inventors: www.ipaustralia.com.au... If there is a "well-known connection between red meat and heart disease" plus they can link TMAO in the blood as a predictor...their patent would be extremely lucrative.

you know what they say, follow the money!

Is there a way to save my mix? I have never had separation issues until I used my new
Sunflower Liquid Lecithin. This one is from Azzure Standard & the previous was a different brand.

It all looks good in the blender & while sonicating for 30 min I see globs of what appears to be
fat globules. I was so excited that me lecithin arrived on Friday as I have not had any since last
Sunday. My anxiety has definitely gotten worse as well as not having the energy.

I made a double batch on Fri & thought maybe that was the problem...
4 cups of Distilled Water
12 Tablespoon Sunflower Liq Lecithin;
1 Cups Distilled Water with 6 Tab AA;
1 Cup Dis Water
6 Tab Bob's Baking Soda (did not add this yet as I wanted to test for encapsulation)
This batch & the jar of baking soda are stored in the fridge at the moment...

New batch today...
2 Cups Distilled Water 6 Tab Lecithin...
1/2 C dist. water 3 tab AA...
1/2 C dist water 3 tab baking soda (not added yet)

Both batches separated & are in the fridge...I have never tested for encapsulation before...
Do you think it's separated due to water being less since I have it separated for testing?
I'm thinking that is the problem
Maybe I will try the smaller batch by re sonicating & adding the baking soda solution.

Cheers
Ektar

Just finished re mixing & re sonicating the smaller batch. I poured everything back into
the blender & added the sodium bicarb mixture & blended for a few minutes...sonicated
for 1 hour & no separation so far...hope it stays that way.

Took me first 2 oz shot & was a little sour not bad but I don't bloody remember what the
last batch tasted like. The batches I have made have not been sour due to the addition
of the sodium bicarb. I think it tasted a little like fish & was why the Chipotle Bloody Mary
mix was a great chaser as a good mix has a wee bit of anchovies in it.

Letting machine cool down before I re mix the large batch. I will have to blend in the blender,
pour into sonicator, blend the sodium bicarb & slowly stir that in as me blender only holds
4 Cups.

Cheers
Ektar

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I'm of the belief that the separation issues are from the mix getting too warm. This is only a guess, so I could be wrong.

That is why I cool down my mix in the frig for at least 30 minutes before I start sonicating. I also use a thermometer to make sure the mix never gets above 100 degrees.

The inside bottom of the stainless steel tray in the sonicator gets very warm, even hot to the touch. That is why continual mixing to keep it from sitting near the center of the tray is good. Keep the mix in movement.

And no need to over sonicate. 3 cycles of 8 minutes is plenty. Having some bubbles or a little foam left on top is perfectly fine.

Pour it into jars IMMEDIATELY.

I'm not positive that the is the reason for separation, but since I've been following the above, I've had no separation issues.

Next time you make a batch when you are done, feel the bottom of the tray. Feel how hot it gets.

Hi Julie
Thanks for writing back...I follow your directions & I use a thermometer.
I think it was due to the lack of the water. I always split the water in half
using 1/2 part with the AA & the other 1/2 mixed with sodium bicarb.

I have never had any separation issues. I use the warm bath method...then blend the lecithin in the blender for a few minutes, then add the AA mixture, then add the sodium bicarb mixture & blend all together for a minute or 2 & then into the sonicator.

What I had done different on the mixes was I did not add the sodium bicarb mix (but was made) because I had decided to test for encapsulation & not thinking about the missing liquid. Once I re mixed & added the sodium bicarb mixture into the batches everything came out great. I had no separation this morning. I store mine in a green wine bottle with a screw cap &
in the fridge.

I did notice me sonicator was not running as strong as usual (enough to encapsulate) but had made a funny winding sound 2 different times. When I finished re sonicating the large batch after 2 times through it was back to normal strength. I hope it doesn't peter out.

I made the larger batch so I can give one to a guy who's being treated for Lymphoma &
he is receiving Chemo. Will see how it goes as I don't know if I have met him or not. He's
a friend of me Land Lady & thought this would be a good opportunity to help someone.

Cheers
Ektar

reply to post by Ektar


Ektar,

Good to know that... so you think not enough water for the lecthin to completely absorb/dissolve.

Glad you worked it out.


ALSO IMPORTANT:

Don't over use your sonicator - if you read the instructions... never use more than 3 cycles in a row without giving it a rest for 30-60 minutes inbetween. You'll wear out the sonicator. I learned that one the hard way...

reply to post by Julie Washington

Thank you as I didn't realize it was only after 3 cycles...I was being anal about all foam & a few bubbles being out..

I am pretty sure problem was due to the water shortage since I held back the sodium bicarb mixture. If you are not using the sodium bicarb mix then you are mixing the 3 tab AA to 1 Cup dist water...if mixing sodium bicarb you split to 1/2 cup dist water with 3 tab AA &
1/2 cup dist water 3 tab sodium bicarbonate...

So with or without sodium bicarbonate I was missing the other 1/2 cup of water...that's
how I figured it out & by adding the already made mix I was able to recover ALL of it!

The mixture of the recipe is vital & I lost me mind when I decided to test for encapsulation
since I was used to automatically making with the sodium bicarb & was entered into past batches. I forgot about setting that jar aside w/o including it into the mix so being short 1/2 cup of water regardless of added content I think would greatly influence the outcome. I am no scientist just stating personal experience & what I think happened to mixture. Glad I was able to recover by adding the sodium bicarb mix.

Cheers
Ektar

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SnF'd I'll be running an experiment on this as soon as I get a chance to finish researching the proper way of making this... And I will additionally keep this board updated from when I start, to the effects it has on my body. Thank you!~

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Just had to take the time to say Thank You! I'd been wanting to try this since last year, but only recently had the time and funds to mess with it. All I can say is Wow - it's all true! Better vision - so crazy - better mental clarity, better energy levels and better skin. I just feel better in general, and its only been a week.

So (for those interested) after wading through this whole thread - my method was to heat 1 cup of distilled water on the stove to just before boiling, and then set it aside for a minute to cool slightly. Then I poured the water into my little smoothie making mixer and added 3 tablespoons of granular non-gmo soy lecithin and blended it for 3 minutes. It looked thick and smooth.
Next I mixed 1 tablespoon of vitamin c powder with 1/2 cup of water and stirred it well with a bamboo chopstick and then added that to the lecithin mixture and blended it for another minute.
Then I mixed 1 tablespoon of baking soda in 1/2 cup of water and stirred that really well with the chopstick.
Finally I put the lecithin/vitamin c mixture into an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner and turned it on it's first cycle. I slowly poured the baking soda and water mixture in as well and stirred everything together with the chopstick. I continued running the cleaner while stirring for a total of 30 minutes.
My mixture was the consistency of yogurt or custard when I first started it in the cleaner, but after about 15 minutes of constant stirring, it finally started to thin out and look like everyone else's did in the pictures they posted. After 30 minutes, there was a very small amount of foam on top, but nothing like it started.
And that's it!

My only complaint (and it's nothing really) is that it tastes like total crap. Weirdly fishy for some reason. I swear if it didn't work so great, I'd never have tasted it twice, but that just goes to show how wonderful it works for me. I quickly learned to chase it with something good tasting. Following Des's timely advice (thanks!!) for lemonade works the best for me.

Thanks again for this - my husband is willing to take some now that I haven't had any bad reactions whatsoever in a week, and he gets recurring gout - so if I can get him to take it on a regular basis I will come back and post results on if it helps him with his gout at all.

ETA - I almost forgot to give this piece of advice: Run your cleaner for one cycle with just water in it before you start. Just fill it to the fill line and run it - then dump out the water and wipe the inside with a clean paper towel or regular towel. When I did this, I found there to be a small amount of dirt that had been there - even though it was brand new. Since the cleaner is not intended for people to make food type things with, perhaps it is not that clean to begin with maybe? I don't know, but I just think it's a good idea - who knows what could have been in there that I was encapsulating and ingesting!

reply to post by followingpythagoras

It's great to see new people starting the regime. I know for me it works for sure.
I had to go over a week without due to I changed Sunflower Lecithin companies
& the new one took at least 7 business days for delivery. You saw in me above post
that I had not added the last step so that was 2 more days. Thankfully I figured it out & was able to recover the mixtures. One reason was due to ADHD and the Lipo C greatly improved my concentration as I have only been taking 1/4 dose of medicine since I cannot afford them & making this is cheaper than the 1 medication per month & it works.

All the great benefits including help with anxiety & panic attacks blew me away. Incredible
energy & it definitely helps with procrastination as I am finally able to get things finished. When I missed the week and half of doses everything began to get worse. This Sun will be 1 week since I started back on the regime. I cannot thank Dominico, Julie & Des enough for pushing me to go forward as it has changed my life.

I am able to go outside & even have a small garden area on the porch for the 1st time in 2 yrs. I can finally walk across the room without spilling a drink. The anxiety & especially panic attacks are finally starting to turn around & it has been a bloody nightmare for 2 yrs & I have never experienced anything like it in me life. I definitely sleep better as it has helped with pain. Thank You!!!

Cheers
Ektar

Forgot to mention I have a subluxated Left Hip...I can get around better & not as painful since I started on the Lipo C... The hip has been out for good for ~ 1 yr & not only pain but balance issues since it makes the left leg longer making it impossible to stand up straight on both feet & will also just go out in a split second causing me to collapse. I still cannot stand up straight, however pain has greatly reduced & the hip does not go out causing collapse but maybe 2 to 3 times a week & was previously 3 times a day.

I'm scheduled for an MRI next week, wish I could have had before & after Lipo C films.