After Suicide Try Kills Fetus, Woman Faces Life in Prison

I find this rather disgusting that she had gotten charged with this, and faced life in prison for being in distress. And what, she miscarriaged? How about the women who have children just so they can collect a fat welfare check? I know one of them, it's disturbing and infuriating.

If anything, she should be getting psychological treatment. The fetus was just that, a fetus. It wasn't as if the baby was birthed, it was still a parasite within the womb.

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Yes, but...

Georgia State Rep. Bobby Franklin—who last year proposed making rape and domestic violence "victims" into "accusers"—has introduced a 10-page bill that would criminalize miscarriages and make abortion in Georgia completely illegal. Both miscarriages and abortions would be potentially punishable by death: any "prenatal murder" in the words of the bill, including "human involvement" in a miscarriage, would be a felony and carry a penalty of life in prison or death. Basically, it's everything an "pro-life" activist could want aside from making all women who've had abortions wear big red "A"s on their chests.

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This is where it's headed - and - there is a lot more info 'out there on this - I'm just unable due to time constraints to add more at the moment. I'll look more later. It's also (was/is) a law proposed in Utah and many more states.

Miscarriage? Face Prison Time For Murder

Rennie Gibbs is accused of murder, but the crime she is alleged to have committed does not sound like an ordinary killing. Yet she faces life in prison in Mississippi over the death of her unborn child.

Gibbs became pregnant aged 15, but lost the baby in December 2006 in a stillbirth when she was 36 weeks into the pregnancy. When prosecutors discovered that she had a coc aine habit – though there is no evidence that drug abuse had anything to do with the baby’s death – they charged her with the “depraved-heart murder” of her child, which carries a mandatory life sentence.

Gibbs is the first woman in Mississippi to be charged with murder relating to the loss of her unborn baby. But her case is by no means isolated. Across the US more and more prosecutions are being brought that seek to turn pregnant women into criminals.

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She did kill her Baby. A life born into this world. Any way you look at it , it is murder. She took rat poison knowing it would kill her Child and she was okay with it.

That is Murder. Enjoy jail time. This is disgusting. The mother could have had the baby put it up for adoption and then killed herself , but no. She Murdered her baby.

She should have life in prison.

Myself, I am on the fence about this. Yes it was murder, but she was mentally ill at the time. Female hormones are pretty powerful, and I can't help but wonder if her pregnancy hormones played at part in intensifying a problem already present. Also, during pregnancy the thyroid can malfunction which can also cause emotional inbalance.

But there is also a question lurking in my mind. Was the baby a female? Perhaps the cause of her depression? You see, the Chinese culture only allows one child. And because of this, male children are valued more. She may be a US citizen now, but she still carries with her the culture of her country. Ok, I read the article again, and yes the baby was a female. The plot thickens.

Well if she didn't have in her to commit suicide before, the "justice" system is definitely giving her the motivation to finish the job. What kind of sick, idiot prosecutor is behind this?

The sad thing is stuff like this happens in America everyday more or less, you just don't hear about it.

It's the first time Indiana is using its feticide law—which was intended to protect pregnant women from violent third parties—to prosecute a pregnant woman herself.

So much for the order of law. Apparently it doesn't matter what a law is intended for, only whatever you can spin it to be. Knowing this, I have a whole bunch of stuff to do now that I realize that the law is whatever I want it to be.

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And that is the problem with this whole abortion issue.

If I were to drink a bottle of Jack, then go joyriding, blow a red light and kill a pregnant mother, I would be facing 2 vehicular manslaughter charges, right?

Sell some bad "junk" to a pregnant fiend and she dies?
Double homicide.

Had that very same mother had a doctor perform a procedure that ended with the same results (death of unborn), that would have been a constitutionally protected right.

Is it a living being, or it isn't?

Does anyone know why she's facing 45 to life when:

It was enhanced to carry a maximum sentence of 20 years in 2007

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That doesn't make sense. How is she facing more time than the law she's being prosecuted under sets a maximum of 20 years?

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It is a condemnation of our society, but the answer to your question of whether it is a living baby is 'If the mom wants it to be."

She is the judge and executioner of that life. The father has no say, if she's a minor her parents have no say. Look at the majority of the posts here. They seem to say that it wasn't a baby because the mother wanted to kill it, so she can.

Notice the difference with the endagered (Is it still?) bald eagle. It is a federal offense to hurt an eagle egg or even possess one of it's feathers. But an eagle was recently given to an Indian tribe for use in a ceremony and the wind turbines in California routinely kill them. (One or two a month, from what I've read.) The law is only a law for some people, the favored are excused.

That observation really opens the door. Consider the waivers that particular businesses and even states have gotten from observing all the provisions of Obamacare. Look also at the waivers given to states to avoid parts of No Child Left Behind. Many have said these waivers from burdensome laws were given to friends of the government.

It was important, once, that we were a nation of laws, not men, and that laws treated everyone equally. That's gone now. Who knows if will ever get it back?

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question of whether it is a living baby is 'If the mom wants it to be."

She is the judge and executioner of that life. The father has no say, if she's a minor her parents have no say.

100% spot on with that answer.
It is only a living being until a female (not a mom, or is she?) decides it isn't.

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The fact that this kind of violence perpetrated by the state against a citizen is tolerated says a lot about the state of Indiana. I suppose a lot of CRAZY christian types probably support this.

The war on women, at the behest of the patriarchy, continues unabated.

why would she wait until she was 1 month from full term to do this? I imagine it was because the father of the child abondoned her. So, she was o.k. with having the child until he left her, then when things didn't go her way, she decided to take her life and the childs too?


That is just messed up. Her suicide note says "I'm taking this child with me." This is just being spiteful. She wanted to hurt the man who abanoned her, so, she tries to kill herself and the baby.

And we are worried about how this will affect similar cases?

Wow....

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she should not be charged. she should be treated for depression.

Plain and simple

She wanted to take her life, and attempted such. By law of natural human beings, that's a direct order against the natural impulse to prolong one's life. The very definition of insanity in my non professional opinion.

To add anything else to that is to merely smear the fact of the matter.

I wouldn't be surprised if she was lured over here via the internet, and the guy just didn't get the slave he wanted.
I watched the NeoGeo internet order brides special, I know what's up, people are messed up beyond belief.

Why's a man gonna just straight up leave a women like that in the 1st place, I'll tell you why:
HE'S NOT A MAN, BABY!.

The important factor is that baby was one month from full term! Abortion is illegal at that time already, so comparison with abortions are meaningless from the point of view of law. If a doctor aborted her baby at her request, they would both face criminal charges, possibly of murder.

Insanity is a possible defense, but assuming she was sane, then indeed, what she did is a crime.

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there was no crime. she was in despair.

ever been there? evidently not.

Originally posted by aaaiii
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there was no crime. she was in despair.

ever been there? evidently not.

Thats why I have stated that insanity (even momentary) could be a possible defense. It is up to psychologists to decide.

there's nothing criminal about being so sad you want to take your life. you don't think about other people when you're that low. you think about how you can escape your despair.

the only thing she is guilty of is being heartbroken.

Originally posted by aaaiii
there's nothing criminal about being so sad you want to take your life. you don't think about other people when you're that low. you think about how you can escape your despair.

the only thing she is guilty of is being heartbroken.

No, suicide or attempted suicide is not a crime.

But she is not being punished for that. Her attempted suicide took the life of someone else (the baby), and that is indeed a crime, whether she thought about it or not. So unless the defense manages to convince the court that she was not responsible for her actions, I dont see how she could escape punishment for that crime.

it's always about the kid, isn't it? the woman carrying it can go to hell.

when is society in this country going to grow a set? we can't save everyone.

She did 400 somethin days in prison and shes out now.... The way Dr's do it is different, they dont inject you with rat poison, let the fetus come out and then kill it. It dies in your body. Dumb comparison