Violent Crime at 39 Year Low - Yet US is Spending $100 Billion Per Year on Police

reply to post by MountainLaurel

If cops spent less time on the ridiculous war on drugs, maybe they wouldn't be so broke....accidents happen, people will do dumb things, and the police can be very helpful in some cases, but there is a "conflict" of interest that needs to be addressed.

Have you seen the latest victim of the war on drugs?

Someone removed the video but it showed a report on a NJ man who was pulled over for speeding and had $20,000 seized by the police! The guy was going to pick up a car he had just purchased on Ebay. The police claimed it was 'drug money' and took it all.

As the police forces become bigger we’re going to inevitably see more violations of the constitution. Between the out-of-control police (not all of them) and the out-of-control government in DC (ALL of them ) we’re not going to have constitutional protection soon…at least that is my fear based on the way things are heading today.

Are we winning the war on gangs now,,,the cartel gangs,,,gangs from several countries????

Whole communities are war zones now in some places...

I dont see things getting better????

I dont,,,more trash on the streets and more nut cases walking about????

It dangerous out there...

The illegals cost the US 60 billion a year...(12-15 billion in california alone),,a fact....

Good post but use caution and common scense...

reply to post by MollyMN

Good post but use caution and common scense...

Thanks!

I didn’t make up the stats! I posted a link so you can see for yourself. You're talking about what you hear on the news or see on the streets...I'm posting statistics based on actual research.

Look for yourself - here's the link.

By the way, I’m not anti-cop (my brother-in-law is a cop and so are two good Marine Corps buddies of mine). I am however anti-Police State. We have enough out of control pricks in this country screwing things up and taking away our rights so I’m justifiable suspicious when I see things like this.

reply to post by seabag


There is a "Survival" forum here on ATS.

So goes with the Fed Govt. Spend for survival and preparations. Police state, martial law, whatever is needed in these months/years.

A sign, or "sigh" of the times, I'm afraid, but nice find, post, and conclusion, seabag.

reply to post by seabag


Why would his car have even been searched for traffic violation? I hope the guy is able to prove the money was for a car, and gets his money back.

The police departments
are bloated..
Here, you can't go a mile
without seeing 4-5 cop cars..

Talk about a police state..

Lets get rid of some of these government
bums who leech citizens money and kills
some too..

reply to post by MountainLaurel


They asked him if he had any drugs, weapons or large sums of money. He told then he had $20,000 because he was going to pick up a car he'd just purchased. They then got vim out of the car and searched it and subsequently arrested him and confiscated the money as "evidence."

They found no drugs in his car so I'm not sure what the money was "evidence" of. 

I haven't done any research to follow up but I hope justice is served. Who knows...there might be more to the story.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
The police departments
are bloated..
Here, you can't go a mile
without seeing 4-5 cop cars..

Talk about a police state..

Lets get rid of some of these government
bums who leech citizens money and kills
some too..

I want our communities to be safe and I don't mind a police presence. What I don't want are lawless, militant goons with automatic weapons running around violating the rights of Americans in service of an overbearing state/federal government. 

reply to post by seabag


This was an interesting video giving some tips on how to handle a traffic stop.

www.youtube.com...

His first mistake was to offer any information about having the money....he was under no obligation to do so, especially if the money was not in full view, and since when is how much cash you have a police matter anyways?

Your best to say as little as possible to the police, admit to nothing, cause trust me you don't get a "break" for being honest., do NOT agree to any search of your car, wether you have nothing or not illegal to hide, it is the principal, and people don't have to agree to illegal searches to "prove" they are inoccent.

If people don't stand up and assert thier rights, they will be taken away....

seabag,
what if budget was spent on the legal (dirty slimy lawyers) system and gun carry by civilians was mandatory ?

Originally posted by rebellender
seabag,
what if budget was spent on the legal (dirty slimy lawyers) system and gun carry by civilians was mandatory ?

Great idea, at birth every citizen gets a gun.
A nice 9mm of their parents choosing from
a list of good tried and true guns.
Some lawyers deserve to be shot

reply to post by watchesfromwall

A sign, or "sigh" of the times, I'm afraid, but nice find, post, and conclusion, seabag.

“Sigh of the times!!

I’m going to use that one!

Well, I don’t think it should be a sign of the times here in US. I don’t want this to escalate to the level of Heinrich Müller’s Gestapo! I’m worried the police will eventually serve as simply a suppression force to silence opposition to the government.

reply to post by rebellender

what if budget was spent on the legal (dirty slimy lawyers) system and gun carry by civilians was mandatory ?

Nothing should be mandatory in a free republic. Besides, there are plenty of people who have no business even looking at a gun much less using one!

Crime rates are lower in states where people can carry. If I was a criminal I’d sure think twice before I robbed somebody in a state with a high number of CHL holders like Texas (where I live).

Need a uniform gun system
one where it is not illegal to carry
in one city and then the next city over
IT IS illegal to carry.. Innocent people get caught
up in this mess and then become a felon
and not able to carry... Conceal carry
needs to be allowed everywhere, uniformly.

reply to post by popsmayhem

Need a uniform gun system
one where it is not illegal to carry
in one city and then the next city over
IT IS illegal to carry.. Innocent people get caught
up in this mess and then become a felon
and not able to carry... Conceal carry
needs to be allowed everywhere, uniformly.

It’s called reciprocity and some states have it. The reason it’s not national is because concealed carry isn’t national (thank GOD).

I agree concealed carry should be uniformly accepted but that is up to the states. The second we ask our federal officials to get involved and make it happen we open the door to more ridiculous regulation.

reply to post by seabag

Meanwhile, local, state and federal governments spend more than $100 billion each year on public safety and to maintain police ranks that exceed 710,000 nationwide.

What does this increase in spending mean to me?

Putting aside that the $100 billion is local,state and the federal government all lumped in to one not much. Local and state spending are paid for by local property taxes.

Federal spending is paid for us all and since they have "the better training,and cooler toys" that would add up al tho local and state police do spend a fair amount on training and "cool toys".

My line of reasoning is first off inflationary effects,and wage increases due to unions and the yearly raises regardless of performance etc and then the "cost of living " so to speak they have like everyone else meaning things are now more expensive than they have ever been.

Even at 710,000 in a country that has a population of over 300 million means they are outnumbered and crimes do go unreported.

Just remember, when seconds count, the pigs are just minutes away.

They are useless. They stop NO crime at all. Judges have even ruled that they are not obligated to protect you. So, you fools feel safe by seeing squads of miltarized cops everywhere. They are just enforcement goons for the giant mafia known as the govt. They enforce the corporate rules. When YOU are in trouble, well, they are just there to clean up the mess once the gunfight is over and they come out from their hiding places at the donut shop. Can't risk their own skin to save yours, now, can they?

Try not paying their extortion which they call taxes. Instead of breaking your legs, they put you in jail. Tell me how that is different than your general mafia extortion racket?

Oh, I know. The leg-breaking, or jail, is paid for BY THE OTHER VICTIMS OF THE RACKET. And the victims pay it willingly, thinking they are helping themselves in their brainwashed delusion.

reply to post by CaptChaos

Just remember, when seconds count, the pigs are just minutes away.

They are useless. They stop NO crime at all.

Apparently they stop a lot of crime according to the statistics posted in this thread

Violent crime is at a 39 year low!

So, you fools feel safe by seeing squads of miltarized cops everywhere. They are just enforcement goons for the giant mafia known as the govt. They enforce the corporate rules. When YOU are in trouble, well, they are just there to clean up the mess once the gunfight is over and they come out from their hiding places at the donut shop.

You read absolutely NONE OF THIS THREAD!

Go to sleep…you’ve had a few too many, Ma'am.

Violent Crime at 39 Year Low - Yet US is Spending $100 Billion Per Year on Police

You could also rewrite your headline as:

Violent Crime at 39 Year Low BECAUSE US is Spending $100 Billion Per Year on Police

Why do you think crime is at a 39 year low? Because we are spending more on police. Are we a borderline police state? Yes. We can thank our over-zealous supporters of the Military-Industrial Complex and fascist leaders who ensured such military tactics would be used on our civilian population. So naturally crime is lower, the question is how much freedom did we have to give up to achieve it?

reply to post by frankensence

You could also rewrite your headline as: 

Violent Crime at 39 Year Low BECAUSE US is Spending $100 Billion Per Year on Police

Maybe...but the cost continues to rise as crime rates fall. When do costs stop rising?

Are we a borderline police state? Yes.

Yes!!

We can thank our over-zealous supporters of the Military-Industrial Complex and fascist leaders who ensured such military tactics would be used on our civilian population.

I agree...

So naturally crime is lower, the question is how much freedom did we have to give up to achieve it?

Too damn much!