The mayans were right they tryed to warn us. Why did'nt we listen. There is still time to stop it.

As it is a certainty that the world could come to an end in 2012 Although many prophecies has warned us on the time where our civilization will end, I always hold in my intention that it will not. And it was all bull#. Untill now. A message in time. A warning lelf for us long ago by a people. One thing is clear the mayans understanding of of the Universal Principles and Laws are unmatched 7 billion human lives ended on december 22 2012.

Future and past are not real, only the present is. In the illusion of time, fate is changeable.The whole thing goes: The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves. We can still stop this,from ever happening.
We still can change the fate.

So what? Fate or no fate?

Future is written in stone or written in sand, what is it? I prefer sand..

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What makes you so certain that the world will end on december 22 2012?

Tell me what you think is gonna happen and how we could stop it?

Why do you think the Mayans were trying to warn us in particular?

In any event why do you think the human race would collectively 'listen' to something that has so many divergent theories attached to it?

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7 billion human lives ended on december 22 2012.

..............

"ended"?

This already happened?

In the future?

But you say we can make it un-happen?

Future and past are not real, only the present is

Which is it?

Some imaginary happening in the unreal future,

or something that has happened in the future that we must try to change?

Originally posted by terry456
Future and past are not real, only the present is. In the illusion of time, fate is changeable.The whole thing goes: The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves. We can still stop this,from ever happening.
We still can change the fate.

I like to compare us to fish swimming in a stream. The flow of life always has one direction - towards the ocean. But we, being the little fish we are, have control of the area of the river in which we live. If we decide to split and join a new river downstream, we can.... but ultimately we will still end up in the ocean.
It's a nice analogy comparing fate and free will.

In saying that, the ocean is completely what you make of it. For some kinds of fish, it is certain death, for other's it is immense possibilities. Doom is not always the only option IMO.

Ramblings over and out

Originally posted by terry456
As it is a certainty that the world could come to an end in 2012 Although many prophecies has warned us on the time where our civilization will end, I always hold in my intention that it will not. And it was all bull#. Untill now. A message in time. A warning lelf for us long ago by a people. One thing is clear the mayans understanding of of the Universal Principles and Laws are unmatched 7 billion human lives ended on december 22 2012.

Future and past are not real, only the present is. In the illusion of time, fate is changeable.The whole thing goes: The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves. We can still stop this,from ever happening.
We still can change the fate.

I can tell you right now that I plan on being here Dec 22 2012.

Please let me know of these many "prophecies" that mention the world will end in 2012. If you understand the Mayan calender then you should know that all of their calenders are CYCLICAL and we are simply ending one cycle and moving into the next. We do this annually with our own Gregorian calender.

ok i'm gonna say my piece on the 2012 matter.
as far as the myans are concearned, im sure they weren't trying to warn US!
any other cultures they may have encountered would surly be involved with trading either goods,of info.,or both.
as for the spanish that came,the mayans thought that the feathered serpent,their god, came back as promised!
if your 'god' showed up today,do you think you would have to warn him about the end of the world? NO! he is god,and you assume he knows already!
it took white man 50 years+ to bumble around trying to decipher their language and pictographs!
"the calender tells of the end of the world!!!"

recent mayan calender finds say different.
i think the calender just marks the end of a cycle of procession. when the planet spins one whole cycle through each of the signs of the zodiac,until it reaches the point where it started. (approx. 28000 years or so)
and just how our moder calender ends dec.31,we start anew on jan. 1 !!!
thats my take anyway
peace

...and what is this, oh so horrible fate? What did the Mayans attempt to warn us of?

Just a generic end of the world? Or is it specific?

As with most dire prophecy... the day after the sun will still rise...people will get up, and go to work, and life will continue on.

As a member? I'm so looking forward to Dec. 22nd, 2012. As staff? Not so much...it's going to be nightmarish.

Originally posted by terry456
As it is a certainty that the world could come to an end in 2012 Although many prophecies has warned us on the time where our civilization will end, I always hold in my intention that it will not. And it was all bull#. Untill now. A message in time. A warning lelf for us long ago by a people. One thing is clear the mayans understanding of of the Universal Principles and Laws are unmatched 7 billion human lives ended on december 22 2012.

Future and past are not real, only the present is. In the illusion of time, fate is changeable.The whole thing goes: The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves. We can still stop this,from ever happening.
We still can change the fate.

So your mixing Mayan stuff with a monologue from Terminator?
Way to go! You have solved the riddle of the Mayan prophecies! Now you need to start a thread in the 9/11 forum and use some lines from Airplane, that will bust it wide open!

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The mayans were right they tryed to warn us. Why did'nt we listen. There is still time to stop it.,

So, on Dec. 23rd, when we find that 7 billion people DIDN'T die, is will be because we "stopped it?"

Oh! Okay, consider it stopped.

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Ha, never thought of that but you lot are goin to be busy on dec 22nd.

I shall endeavour to keep calm and not add to your workload.

If the Mayans were so smart, how come they couldn't prevent their own society from collapsing ?

I don't put a lot of faith in the people that say the Mayan calendar is predicting the end of the world.

I don't see it as anything special.

Originally posted by terry456
As it is a certainty that the world could come to an end in 2012 Although many prophecies has warned us on the time where our civilization will end, I always hold in my intention that it will not. And it was all bull#. Untill now. A message in time. A warning lelf for us long ago by a people. One thing is clear the mayans understanding of of the Universal Principles and Laws are unmatched 7 billion human lives ended on december 22 2012.

Future and past are not real, only the present is. In the illusion of time, fate is changeable.The whole thing goes: The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves. We can still stop this,from ever happening.
We still can change the fate.

Let me ask you a question. When/if the world doesn't end in 2012 (which it wont) and we see in 2013 (which we will), then what do you plan on doing? Rethinking what you believe in? Apologising to those you scaremongered to? Or will you do as all doomsdayers do when the end of the world didn't come the thousand of other times it was predicted and find an excuse like "Ohhhh..no, the Mayans were in fact using Z calender and we were consulting the Y calender..the end of the world is in fact 20xx"?

I am observing the half way point till 12-21-12 around 7-1-2012 to 7-4-2012 as it would be a half way mark for anything if anything was to happen this year, I know its a strange logic but just observing not predicting.

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If the Mayans were so smart, how come they couldn't prevent their own society from collapsing ?

Nah, their society didn't collapse. They all drank super "Gargleblaster" cocktails and hopped on the same bus out of town that Krishna and his guys, Odin and his guys, Quetzalcoatl and Jehovah, et al, caught!

That Mayan Calender doesn't predict the end of the world, it's a buss schedule! Next bus out of town, Dec 22, 2012.

Arsenic and vodka anyone?

You came into a thread I was enjoying and filled it with trollish comments like:

"Spocks a gay"

(That was the whole post!!)

You did that so you could make this thread? Welcome to ATS, you're gonna fit right in.

Troll others, so you can post your ideas...

(Hey check his posts in the other thread, if they are allowed to exist than I can do the same to his thread.)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ass

EDIT (To Apologize)
*Note: Star was added before edit, so I apoligze twice. The first is for you kind starperson, if my edit changes your star reason sorry!! /note*

I must apologize for this post. I would remove it, but that would be improper due to it already poisoning the well. So I will ammend with this apology, and it can remain until it is cleaned out. (And this post should be cleaned out, I wonder if I am the only one that uses ALERT!)

So yeah, sorry OPer. You recieved the brunt of my frustration, you were not the first (nor the last) to exhibit this behavior. (Scramble to 20 to get your first thread)

Just try not to be so insulting next time, some folks like things that you don't like. Trolling them for post points, that is very un-Mayan...

Just so I can still play after my other post is removed for the off topicness it is:

Originally posted by terry456
As it is a certainty that the world could come to an end in 2012

Certain is it? How certain? And if it is so certain how come no one else is so certain? (This is where we will insert "They are hiding the truth")

Guess it isn't so certain then, is it

Originally posted by terry456
Although many prophecies has warned us on the time where our civilization will end, I always hold in my intention that it will not.

And there are prophecies that depict happy endings, hell even Revelation has a happy ending. 'Course we all focus on the fire, and brimstone...such a masochistic species we are.

Originally posted by terry456
And it was all bull#. Untill now. A message in time. A warning lelf for us long ago by a people.

Why don't you type out what that warning is. Give us some screen shots of the calendar, pointing to the pictograms that explain the end days. Which part of the calendar is "the end"?

(I bet you can do none of this stuff)

Yet you write like you have a Mayan calendar as a coffee table...

Originally posted by terry456
One thing is clear the mayans understanding of of the Universal Principles and Laws are unmatched 7 billion human lives ended on december 22 2012.

End(ED) imples past tense. On December 23rd are you going to come in and apologize?

Nope, they never do.

Originally posted by terry456
Future and past are not real, only the present is. In the illusion of time, fate is changeable.

If the Future is not real, and the past is not real. Well then by proxy the present is not real.

Why?

Well you can't make something out of nothing. (Going forward in time)

And something can't turn into nothing. (Going backward in time)

If the past and the future do not exist, than neither does the present.

Originally posted by terry456
The whole thing goes: The future's not set. There's no fate but what we make for ourselves. We can still stop this,from ever happening.

I thought you said the future didn't exist? Can't set something that doesn't exist, also can't plan for the future. Nor can you know that you are going to respond to my post. But you ARE going to respond, aren't you? (Well maybe not now after reading this part...)

Originally posted by terry456
We still can change the fate.

Start by following the rules, and not pissing on other peoples' threads

Originally posted by seagull
the day after the sun will still rise...people will get up, and go to work, and life will continue on.

Well yeah, I'm pretty sure physical matter will stay the same (why change a system that works?).
But in retrospect, nobody can be sure of the what changes will happen to the 'force' which animates that matter, can we? Scientists, debunkers, Religious people etc.. perhaps can all agree on that point?
(At one stage, fish left the water. How can that not be described as a force which propelled a species further?)

I tend to disagree with the OP's premise because I think that destruction is a waste, and as a society there is no drive towards it. But one can always find a glimpse of truth in even the craziest rambles. I'm sure as a mod you can relate to that notion

I often have to remind myself that older civilisations had no distractions, just all the time in the world to study the unseen. If it was possible, I would love to have a conversation with say an ancient shaman for instance. Even talking to traditional witchdoctors here in Africa have resulted in many revelations to my thought processes.

More 2c from me.

your future is real. it really is.
i want to provide this earth with a better future. one where we can all decide what happens.
theres ten commandments.
theres the Lords prayer.
theres BEAVIS and BUTTHEAD pronouncing EHYEH ASHER EHYEH.
i dont know.
i chose ten , no wait , and one , CHRIST said love one another.
i am the ORRERY OF SCRIPTURE.
you have a heathen skull religion in the city where i live.
fire fire.
you should check out Da Vinci DOOMSDAY or Nostradamus Satans Army(the last five minutes)
nah. just watch every single episode of that show.
the other one.
the other other one.
every single episode.
if you see an orrery in the center of the cosmic calender, is it
WEBSTER CITY CONNECTION
EMMANUEL LEWIS CITY CONNECTION
DRAGON FAMILY
or is it kennydurazo aka 12345556789
im probably right.
it is heathen.
the MAYA were considered heathen and thats what you beleive in.
your gathering heathens but they are here.
i am the father.
i reported this city to the vatican.
LOS ANGELES is in very DEEP TROUBLE.
can you guess why.
they wish to kill me.
can you assemble the Earth for me.

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You win!

I can't argue with this sound logic.

Excuse me, I have to play catch up now!!! (Katsup?) I mean, I should have been ready for the end-of-the-world!!! (How does one prepare to be killed? Katsup?)

Yeah...that post kinda makes me worry. But not for the end times...