demons are aliens

Originally posted by Seeking Soul

Now hang on just a minute here. I' have to disagree with you on this one. The christian God is NOT a false God. He is still the great original creator you speak of, we only worship and visualise him in a different way. Whether this is the correct way, we wont know until we die. In my opinion most major religions, including paganism, encompass and worship the creator in some way. None of them are FALSE. Different yes, false no. None of them are "perfect" religions. All contain flaws and misconceptions but if your religion includes the qualities of love and balance you are still worshipping "the" creator.

[edit on 3-10-2004 by Seeking Soul]

Yes, I agree that all the world's traditional religions contain some truth in them. But I don't agree that any of them were the result of a direct divine intervention from The Original Creator. It simply doesn't wash.

Here's why...

If the Bible was truly inspired by direct contact with The Original Creator and not just angel collectives (at best), then the miracles manifested would be equal to the creation of BILLIONS OF GALAXIES, e.g., the healing MILLIONS OF PEOPLE on a daily basis -- which is probably understating it.

When is the last time you've heard of something like that happening ANYWHERE on the planet?

Never.

If you were to study the miracles of the Swami in India known as Sai Baba, you would find that it is documented that he has duplicated (some say surpassed) every miracle attributed to Jesus of Nazareth. That is why Sai Baba has been referred to as "The Christ of India." However, his reputation has greatly lessened over the years due to various devotees coming out publicly to testify to Sai Baba's sexual predatory nature towards young men and boys at his ashram. Nevertheless, decades ago, millions of people thought of him as God incarnate. Too bad he couldn't keep it in his pants and not become corrupt by his Gifts, which have weakened with age. But the miracles that he channeled in his youth were on a par or greater than any prophet in history, including Jesus. Regardless, all of his miracles are less than the ability to heal MILLIONS of people from terminal affliction on a daily basis.

Heck, I'd settle for HUNDREDS as proof of divinity!

No large Group Entity, representative of ANY traditional religion, can pull that off because they are simply not spiritually advanced enough to do so, no matter what excuse they say.

Secondly, do you honestly think that The Original Creator would allow thousands of innocent children around the world to be sexually assaulted by the ministers of His One True Religion?

I hardly think so.

Why?

Because COMPASSION and living by The Golden Rule dictates evolution, not rhetoric and moral relativism.

Thirdly, if the Bible was inspired by direct contact with The Original Creator, then the ambiguity and fragmentation contained therein would have also been amended from the very beginning. Additionally, church leaders would not have been permitted to tamper with and omit passages, twist meanings to suit their purposes, etc., with the Word of God.

Fourthly, if the Bible was truly inspired from direct contact with The Original Creator and not just Group Entities (angels at best), then you, I, and most or all the people in this forum would be of the One True Religion. There would be little or no doubt in our minds. His miracles and His spiritual presence would be far greater than any prophet that has ever walked on this or any other planet.

When He does arrive, He will not acknowledge any of the traditional religions as having been representative of Him -- as He wasn't around at the time. The general lack of COMPASSION from heaven which many have concluded means there is no God, indicates that He has yet to arrive, not necessarily that he doesn't exist.

Reference thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
If the Bible was truly inspired by direct contact with The Original Creator and not just angel collectives (at best), then the miracles manifested would be equal to the creation of BILLIONS OF GALAXIES, e.g., the healing MILLIONS OF PEOPLE on a daily basis -- which is probably understating it.

I fail to understand just exactly what you mean here. Are you saying that if our God was the true one why arent millions healed just by reading the bible?

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
If you were to study the miracles of the Swami in India known as Sai Baba, you would find that it is documented that he has duplicated (some say surpassed) every miracle attributed to Jesus of Nazareth.

There was an incident here in South Africa a few years back that leads me to be a little skeptical about our Mr Sai Baba
This is a website:
www.stelling.nl...
there are several other sources and links I have for you proclaiming him to be a fake.
You say he has duplicated and surpassed all Jesus' miracles? Well I'd like him to be crucified on a cross and then and sent to hell for three days for the very race that tortured,denied, and killed him. Perhaps then we'll gain a better idea of who the real Messiah is.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Secondly, do you honestly think that The Original Creator would allow thousands of innocent children around the world to be sexually assaulted by the ministers of His One True Religion?

I never said Christianity was "the one true religion" I said it was the way in which I chose to view and worship God. Big Difference. If you're Original creator is so omnipotent and compassionate why doesnt he stop all violence and wrong doings in the world?

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Thirdly, if the Bible was inspired by direct contact with The Original Creator, then the ambiguity and fragmentation contained therein would have also been amended from the very beginning.

Point taken, however one must bear in mind that the bible is not the focal point of Christianity. Christ having died and risen is. However what you just asked me can also be translated back into a question for you. If your Original creator is not part of any of today's mainstream religions why doesnt he simply intervene and stop the fragmentation and misconceptions of spiritualism as a whole? Why would he allow the presence of belief systems of any sort that are contrary to his one true reality? You say he has yet to come? When is that? And what happens to all the poor people that died before learning "the truth" considering he has not yet appeared?

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
There would be little or no doubt in our minds. His miracles and His spiritual presence would be far greater than any prophet that has ever walked on this or any other planet.

This in my opinion simply takes away everything that religion is. The whole point of religion in my view is to be able to choose for yourself. It is an internal battle, with knowing he is there, but still having that small shadow of doubt which sometimes leads us into temptation. If I knew without a doubt that God existed, and I arrived home one day to see him sitting on my bed and performing miracles I'd probably lead a completely or very almost completely sinless life. But it is because I am not 100% sure that I sometimes sin. Therein lies the battle and the eventual triumph.It is because I still believe, but have little physical proof to base my belief on that will allow me eventual admittance into heaven or a better incarnation.
This is the glory of the Christians belief of free will. You may CHOOSE to ignore God or you may CHOOSE to accept him. This is the real test and I believe the reason why God doesnt reveal himself to us indefinetly.

I gather from the website link that you are a Solist Mystic (if thats what you call it )
I read the website link but I'm still rather unclear on what it is exactly that you believe (I'm not trying to be antagonistic here I'm genuinely curious)
I see also from your other threads that you believe in reincarnation. What sort of reincarnation? I'm not really very well versed on the topic but through some reading It seems that there are 2 basic beliefs. One being the buddhist theory that if you live a good life you will come into a better incarnation but if you are evil you will come into a worse one (if I come back as a tapeworm I'll know ). The second theory is that young souls start off at the very bottom of the heap and work their way up (ie you'll start with a crappy life and gradually get a better one every time) the aim being to learn a lesson in every life, and if you fail to learn it you will return at the same "level" to relearn it. What is the type that you believe in, or is yours different?

Anyway back to the original topic....I agree with you that Zetan Greys and other aliens are not demons. So essentially even if our beliefs differ we're still agreeing on this particular thread.

well lets see my mam had a miracle on her she had 2 anurisums and if you have 1 you have a 50-50 chance of survival !!!!!!SHE HAD 2!!!!!!!!

do you ever watch the god channel their is a program on it called benny hin he is a christian and he just heals people

HEY PAUL_RICHERD the preists that melest people and kids is !!!!!NOT GODS WILLLL!!!!!!

GOD GAVE US THE POWER OF FREE WILL DUHHH ITS THE PREISTS WHO CHOOSE TO MELEST KIDS, GOD DOESNT TELL THEN TO DO IT, SATAN DOES AND IF WE DIDNT HAVE FREE WILL THEN GOD WOULD MAKE US LOVE HIM BUT THATS NOT THE CASE DUUUUHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

DAMN ATHEISTS

[edit on 4-10-2004 by elliott reid]

[edit on 4-10-2004 by elliott reid]

Yes, of course, demons ARE aliens from the lower planes, rebels against the light...but u must understand something everyone...the other dimension can have aliens and entities...

A group of the renegade reptilian race Anunnaki of Nibiru and Alpha Draconis (the �fallen angels� or infernals) is inhabitant between two worlds in the lower astral planes of the Fourth Dimension of planet Earth, a dimensionally instable region and not permanent for the establishment of a galactic race. Dwelling in this place beyond the human sensorial perception, its integrants are invisible to human beings allowing them thus to be able to work �behind stage�, as the puppeteers on a puppet theater, in the temporal or permanent possession and the manipulation of the �sleeping� humanity, that is, who lives in a drowsiness of the material life, and to act in the earth governments through cunning and unscrupulous human agents. Due to the proximity to third dimension they can manipulate and feel this dimension. Popular wisdom calls these beings, �demons.�

These are the one tempting us like the devil did with jesus, but we are not strong enough


Any way, I found this site, that is such a good one!!!!!!!! It's really good and beleive me, I've read a lot of stuff

www.luisprada.com...

Ameliaxxxxxx
Don't think I'm crazy pleaaaase

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
Are you saying that if our God was the true one why aren�t millions healed just by reading the bible?

I'm saying that the true God would be able to heal millions of people on a daily basis and that the reason why it has not happened before is because He has yet to come.

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
There was an incident here in South Africa a few years back that leads me to be a little skeptical about our Mr Sai Baba
This is a website:
www.stelling.nl...
there are several other sources and links I have for you proclaiming him to be a fake.
You say he has duplicated and surpassed all Jesus' miracles? Well I'd like him to be crucified on a cross and then and sent to hell for three days for the very race that tortured,denied, and killed him. Perhaps then we'll gain a better idea of who the real Messiah is.

For some reason, I can't get into that site.

Many people were crucified. It was a common form of Roman execution.

The real Messiah would have to be someone who transcends all the traditional religions.

I agree with you about Sai Baba. I signed the online petition to expose him. The problem is that he is protected by the government in India.

The point needs to be made that there are people who are not on a spiritual path and who have powerful Gifts of the Spirit given to them by Group Entities in the Lower Realms. This is the case with Sai Baba.

Another example is Adolph Hitler. He had the Gifts of Charisma and Prophecy.

I have come to know that Sai Baba is a pedophile subangel prophet.

Here are more sites worth checking out:

Sai Baba & The Field Of Righteousness

Allegations Concerning Sai Baba

Former Devotees Speak Out About Sai Baba's Pedophile Activities

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
I never said Christianity was "the one true religion" I said it was the way in which I chose to view and worship God. Big Difference. If you're Original creator is so omnipotent and compassionate why doesn�t he stop all violence and wrong doings in the world?

The short answer is because He has yet to come. The longer answer is because He has yet to come, because Free Will plays a role and because there is a negative influence of common spirits; all of these cause violence in the world.

The Original Creator is neither omnipotent nor omniscient, just very spiritually advanced. No being can be infinitely anything. All growth is a matter of degree of spiritual excellence. Just as many scientists now believe that the Universe is not endless but extremely large, it is a logical conclusion that The Original Creator is not infinite either, just very highly evolved.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
Thirdly, if the Bible was inspired by direct contact with The Original Creator, then the ambiguity and fragmentation contained therein would have also been amended from the very beginning.

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
Point taken, however one must bear in mind that the bible is not the focal point of Christianity. Christ having died and risen is. However what you just asked me can also be translated back into a question for you. If your Original creator is not part of any of today's mainstream religions why doesn�t he simply intervene and stop the fragmentation and misconceptions of spiritualism as a whole?

The reason is because He hasn't come yet.

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
Why would he allow the presence of belief systems of any sort that are contrary to his one true reality? You say he has yet to come? When is that? And what happens to all the poor people that died before learning "the truth" considering he has not yet appeared?

Those who die before learning about Him are not punished for it in any way. We are not measured by what we know, we are measured by our application of The Golden Rule and our ability to love genuinely and deeply.

You ask some very good questions. I'm not sure you want to hear the answers but I'll do my best.

After The Original Creator initiated The Big Bang, billions of years ago, He divided His consciousness up totally into basically spiritual souls or 'angels.' There was and is The Light in heaven (typically reported by Near Death Experiencers) and the physical universe. His genius and vision from the very beginning was to enable a vast universe to emerge that was teeming with humanoid life. He also knew that eventually there would be people in who would grew beyond being part of a group consciousness and would learn of His plan through the pursuit of remembrance.

When will He come?

When one or more true Saints have evolved into God Realization, transition into The Light, and seek Him out astrally. Once that happens, He will follow him/her/them back to this timeframe and The First Coming manifests.

Okay...I've been through this many times. You're now going to ask...

"Wait a minute! If He is brought into this timeframe, won't that completely change history?"

No, not one iota.

There are three restrictions on time travel that I have come to know from my many conversations with discarnate Saints:

1. It must be done in the Spirit or astrally. A physical object must travel at the speed of light in order for time to stand still. Einsteinian physics states that the physical energy needed to do that is impossible to muster. You can however, warp the distance between the stars with antigravity waves propulsion systems, as the Zetan-Greys do, but that still doesn't enable a physical craft to time travel.

2. It can only be done into the past. One can also come back to the point of origin in the present. You can't venture into a timeframe (i.e., in the future) that has yet to exist.

3. When going into the past, you can only enter into an alternate, parallel timeline, not the one that you are in. This is to prevent reality from crashing in on itself, so to speak.

Hence, when The Original Creator is invited here from the distant past, He will be in a parallel timeline to the one we are in now. His emergence here will not alter our timeline or our past in the slightest way.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
There would be little or no doubt in our minds. His miracles and His spiritual presence would be far greater than any prophet that has ever walked on this or any other planet.

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
This in my opinion simply takes away everything that religion is. The whole point of religion in my view is to be able to choose for yourself. It is an internal battle, with knowing he is there, but still having that small shadow of doubt which sometimes leads us into temptation. If I knew without a doubt that God existed, and I arrived home one day to see him sitting on my bed and performing miracles I'd probably lead a completely or very almost completely sinless life. But it is because I am not 100% sure that I sometimes sin. Therein lies the battle and the eventual triumph. It is because I still believe, but have little physical proof to base my belief on that will allow me eventual admittance into heaven or a better incarnation.
This is the glory of the Christians belief of free will. You may CHOOSE to ignore God or you may CHOOSE to accept him. This is the real test and I believe the reason why God doesn�t reveal himself to us indefinitely.

Spirituality is what counts, not religion. Compassion and striving to live by The Golden Rule dictates evolution. If one is guided by a higher power into choosing to live a selfless, moral existence, there is no harm in this. Quite the contrary, it would provide a positive and progressive environment for spiritual development, unfoldment, and higher awareness.

There are many people out there that "ride the fence" on the "should I be moral and is there a God issue." Proof positive will change all that for them.

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
I gather from the website link that you are a Solist Mystic�

Yes.

Long ago I was a fervent minister for Christianity.

Some out there will see the humor in the above statement.

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
I read the website link but I'm still rather unclear on what it is exactly that you believe (I'm not trying to be antagonistic here I'm genuinely curious)
I see also from your other threads that you believe in reincarnation. What sort of reincarnation? I'm not really very well versed on the topic but through some reading It seems that there are 2 basic beliefs. One being the Buddhist theory that if you live a good life you will come into a better incarnation but if you are evil you will come into a worse one (if I come back as a tapeworm I'll know

). The second theory is that young souls start off at the very bottom of the heap and work their way up (i.e. you'll start with a crappy life and gradually get a better one every time) the aim being to learn a lesson in every life, and if you fail to learn it you will return at the same "level" to relearn it. What is the type that you believe in, or is yours different?)

All souls started out as basically spiritual beings. Since that time, the vast majority of us decided to incarnate at one time or another. "Heaven is achieved through deed, not creed." One's reward is in heaven by how far one can Ascend into The Light Of The God Force, which is the energy of Spirit and nonliving. The higher the discarnate dimension, the more energy there is and the greater the expansion of consciousness. Living a good life does not guarantee a blissful future incarnation. What it does guarantee is spiritual growth. But we all have the choice as to whether we are to incarnate or not, and we generally choose the circumstances of that life. Granted, there are no ideal conditions; we simply do the best we can with what is available. Souls in the past who have had one or more lifetimes of devotion to others/God, have more of a talent for spiritual and metaphysical areas of study and development in their current incarnation.

The Original Creator did not create The Light in Heaven; He learned to harness it to a very high degree in order to manifest The Big Bang. The Light Of The God Force, which always existed and always will exist, is infinite, and represents the only way that reality can manifest itself in the first place. Without The Light in Heaven, there could be no stars, no planets, no souls, and no Original Creator.

Originally posted by Seeking Soul
Anyway back to the original topic....I agree with you that Zetan Greys and other aliens are not demons. So essentially even if our beliefs differ we're still agreeing on this particular thread.

The Zetan-Greys are not demons in the traditional sense of the word. In all my years of being a spiritual medium and in counseling victims of discarnate attack, I have never come across a demon that fits the traditional definition. They have always been Group Entities of primitive spirits who are astrally combined for the sake of collective power. Regardless, the Greys are aligned with spiritually indifferent, primitive people in the Lower Realms of Spirit, just as the Nazis were and many others.

"Evil contains the seeds of its own destruction."

It is all a matter of time.

Originally posted by elliott reid

HEY PAUL_RICHARD the priests that molest people and kids is !!!!!NOT GODS WILLLL!!!!!!

Quite true.

Originally posted by Amelia
Yes, of course, demons ARE aliens from the lower planes, rebels against the light...but u must understand something everyone...the other dimension can have aliens and entities...

I basically agree with that. The distinction I would make is that you have spiritually indifferent people in the Lower Realms of Spirit in Group Entities, which comprise the discarnate demonic element, and you have spiritually indifferent people in the flesh, like the Zetan-Greys and their Reptilian overlords, who are also on an evil path of eventual self-destruction.

Originally posted by Amelia
...I found this site, that is such a good one!!!!!!!! It's really good and beleive me, I've read a lot of stuff

www.luisprada.com...

Bookmarked.

Originally posted by Amelia
A group of the renegade reptilian race Anunnaki of Nibiru and Alpha Draconis (the �fallen angels� or infernals) is inhabitant between two worlds in the lower astral planes of the Fourth Dimension of planet Earth, a dimensionally instable region and not permanent for the establishment of a galactic race. Dwelling in this place beyond the human sensorial perception, its integrants are invisible to human beings allowing them thus to be able to work �behind stage�, as the puppeteers on a puppet theater, in the temporal or permanent possession and the manipulation of the �sleeping� humanity, that is, who lives in a drowsiness of the material life, and to act in the earth governments through cunning and unscrupulous human agents. Due to the proximity to third dimension they can manipulate and feel this dimension. Popular wisdom calls these beings, �demons.�

Interesting appraisal. I see that this was taken from the site you suggested. I agree with them on general principle that the Reptilians are self-serving and imperialistic but differ in opinion as to the specifics of their overview of them. For example, the Reptilians, in my view, do not represent a renegade group but are the overlords of Zeta IV or Zeta-Prime. They literally run the government.

Originally posted by Amelia
These are the one tempting us like the devil did with jesus, but we are not strong enough

Some of us are. Many people are aligned with discarnate demonic forces.

Originally posted by Amelia
Ameliaxxxxxx
Don't think I'm crazy pleaaaase

No need to worry about that.

You're in good company.



[edit on 4-10-2004 by Paul_Richard]

Hi Seeking Soul,

Originally posted by Seeking Soul

I see also from your other threads that you believe in reincarnation. What sort of reincarnation?

BTW, there are a number of excellent books on past-life regression research. Here are a few of them:

Lifetime, True Accounts of Reincarnation by Frederick Lenz, Ph.D.

Reincarnation and the Interim Between Lives by E. Arthur Winkler, Th.D., Ph.D.

The second link will take you to a page where there is a phone number at the bottom to a University where the book is available for purchase.

Life Between Life by Joel L. Whitton, M.D., Ph.D. and Joe Fisher

Hi Paul_Richard

I'm still not completely convinced, however I can still appreciate the viewpoint of an intelligent person who knows their topic well. It has shed some light on certain things for me and caused me to question certain aspects of my faith I admit.

I have just one more question regarding your beliefs. What exactly is this "Golden Rule" you speak of?

P.S: Sorry the link to the Sai Baba website didnt work. It basically said that Sai Baba was a fraud and that a South African TV company had alleged that they had witnessed half his supposed "miracles" to be fake. Later his lawyers tried to sue them for defamation of character.

Hi Seeking Soul,

Thanks for the explanation on the Sai Baba website.

The Golden Rule is a basic tenet of all the world's major religions and represents the highest and most important spiritual principle: "Do unto others as you would have them do onto you."

It also supercedes the popular Prime Directive of Non-Interference from the Star Trek television series.

Striving to live by The Golden Rule is the best way to lead a moral existence and provides a solid foundation with which one can then strive to develop spiritually.

"When we serve others, we are the difference that God makes."





[edit on 5-10-2004 by Paul_Richard]

played Doom3 to much?

Originally posted by Paul_Richard

"Do unto others as you would have them do onto you."

Also, in the same way of idea, Unconditionnal LOVE, Judge no one and love everybody because everyone has a lovin soul

Ameliaxxxxxxxxx

Bonjour Amelia!

Yes, unconditional love or selfless service is indeed a worthwhile venture and it is the only way to truly spiritually progress.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
is a basic tenet of all the world's major religions and represents the highest and most important spiritual principle: "Do unto others as you would have them do onto you."

Now that is truly something I too can agree with.

Originally posted by elliott reid
GOD GAVE US THE POWER OF FREE WILL DUHHH ITS THE PREISTS WHO CHOOSE TO MELEST KIDS, GOD DOESNT TELL THEN TO DO IT, SATAN DOES AND IF WE DIDNT HAVE FREE WILL THEN GOD WOULD MAKE US LOVE HIM BUT THATS NOT THE CASE DUUUUHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you that the priests are wrong and not God, and I also agree with you about the free will thing. However a word of advice: Dont use words like DUUUH on forums like this. I can tell that you're young, so its understandable, but people wont take you seriously if you use words like that.

Originally posted by elliott reid
DAMN ATHEISTS

Nobody that has replied to thread is atheist as far as I can see. Atheists are people who dont believe in a God or higher power at all. Just because Paul doesnt believe in our Christian God, it doesnt make him an atheist, it just means he has a different set of beliefs and we should respect that.

I'm not trying to discourage you elliot, I think its great that you believe in Jesus, I really do, but dont get too defensive if people disagree with you're beliefs, it comes with the territory of being a Christian.

Its great that God helped youre mother to survive you must be very glad.





[edit on 5-10-2004 by Seeking Soul]

Originally posted by Seeking Soul

Nobody that has replied to thread is atheist as far as I can see. Atheists are people who dont believe in a God or higher power at all. Just because Paul doesnt believe in our Christian God, it doesnt make him an atheist, it just means he has a different set of beliefs and we should respect that.

True..what is GOD...what is a religion???? God is everywhere you can call it source, christ, boudha, allah or whatever, does'nt change anything...Religion were invented to create chaos between believers...U have to believe in something...but whatever it is...it's not better than anyone...God is the "source" the supreme power of unconditional love

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

true. sorry for syaing duh and gettin defensive but i hate explainin every thing all over again and true about the atheists thing heheh

i had to say somthin

.

Hi folks,

I'd just like to step in here, and give a little insight..

Firstly, demons are not aliens, nor angels, they are disembodied spirits.

Big difference.

If your a Bible reader, all of this is explained in there, but you have to
read the Bible, not just the new testament, that's alot of the problems
today. To many people will "gloss" over the word of God and preachers
will preach for hours on one verse...

Anyway, it's all in there, but you've really got to take the time to read
it and research it, not just except what some "fly-away" preach teaches.

Anyway, have fun,
Silent6

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just to correct you their of course demons arent angels demons are the bad angels