Canada is gonna be in for a really big mess!

Bill C-38 I don't know how many people are aware of this bill. I think this entire restructuring of this country's budget is insane! This Bill contains over 400 PAGES!!!! It will change 60 of our existing Canadian Laws. The Federal Government wants to pass this bill. This will affect many peoples jobs. This will raise the retirement age from 65-67. The government will put severe pension cuts for our younger generation.

Talks about the health care: Raising prices for medications and treatment and much much more!


Here's an open discussion between different party members of parliament
openparliament.ca...

I like this quote (last quote on page 6)

Marc-André Morin Laurentides—Labelle, QC Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise to speak to Bill C-38, a perfect bill for the paper shredder. The Cascades paper company would be happy to de-ink the confetti and make useful, recycled paper out of it. The death of democracy is seldom sudden. It is almost always a slow and painful death caused by indifference, apathy and cynicism. The first signs of this death are the authoritarian regime's loss of perspective and its insensitivity towards the people. Next, people lose their freedom and the means to criticize the regime. I would like to read a quote in English. I am relying on the interpreters to ensure that the member opposite understands. “There is no doubt that dictatorship is a much more efficient way to govern”. That was George W. Bush.

13,000 websites from Canada will go dark in protest from this horrendous bill! ca.news.yahoo.com...

When it comes to politics, Canadians are generally an apathetic bunch. Often, a controversy will brew and within a week or two we forget about it and move on. It appears Bill C-38 is one issue we're not willing to let go. Saturday is the one month anniversary of the introduction of the so-called omnibus budget bill, a 425-page bill that amends 60 different acts, repeals a half dozen others and adds three more. In addition to the changes to employment insurance, Bill C-38 includes controversial changes to old age security, more than 100 pages of new provisions to environmental regulations, an important alteration to the oversight of CSIS and significant amendments in laws related to fisheries, food safety, national parks and natural resource projects.

Also the EI/UI reform and remodeling of the appeal process, making it even harder for Canadians to receive benefits from something they have paid into all their working lives.

It is sad that when more than 60% of Canadians did not want or vote for Stephen Harper and his conservative government we still end up with his majority.

PS- I also can't forget about the new jets...

what does canada expect when you elect bush jr.

he's well on his way of completely screwing canada like bush did to the u.s.

for those people it's their way or its wrong.

in their twisted heads forcing people to work to 90 years of age by cutting pensions is good for the economy.

so 67 years old is nothing.

at 67 you should be fishing on a row boat with a cool beer in your hand in a sunny part of the world waiting for your wife to finish lunch so you can enjoy a nice meal outdoors with your grandkids.

no, apparently they want you to spend your only life on earth, until God's resurrection of the dead, at their service.

i got a big middle finger to stick in their faces if that's their plan.

Originally posted by Shrukin89

Marc-André Morin Laurentides—Labelle, QC -“There is no doubt that dictatorship is a much more efficient way to govern”. That was George W. Bush.

Just as a point of record, Mr Bush never spoke so eloquently as this. His actual quote on the topic was "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier." Although i suspect translation to french may play a roll in the eloquence.

On Topic: I'm actually confused at why this bill was even passed. It ended up turning the public against the Quebec government at a point in the protest when the majority of Quebecers supported them vs.the student protesters. Now, half the population is out marching every night. Not a smart tactical move, really.

Originally posted by TheSparrowSings
Also the EI/UI reform and remodeling of the appeal process, making it even harder for Canadians to receive benefits from something they have paid into all their working lives.

It is sad that when more than 60% of Canadians did not want or vote for Stephen Harper and his conservative government we still end up with his majority.

PS- I also can't forget about the new jets...

I can't find any sources that talks that they already bought these F-35 Jets. They are taking a look at the 5th generation Lockheed Martins instead.

ca.news.yahoo.com...

Canada said in 2008 it would spend C$9 billion ($9.1 billion) on a next generation of jet fighters and a further C$16 billion to operate and maintain them for 20 years. Ferguson said this might well not be enough money.

So 9 billion plus the additional 16 billion for maintence over the next 20 years for only 65 jet fighters... This makes no bloody sense to aquire these jets when we have the U.S that has thousands of these jets and nukes!

We could rather spend that money on building some fuel efficient power system that actually might benefit us, to save money, and throw out less carbon emissions! Woah who woulda thunk of this brilliant idea?!?! *smacks head*

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by Shrukin89

Marc-André Morin Laurentides—Labelle, QC -“There is no doubt that dictatorship is a much more efficient way to govern”. That was George W. Bush.

Just as a point of record, Mr Bush never spoke so eloquently as this. His actual quote on the topic was "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier." Although i suspect translation to french may play a roll in the eloquence.

On Topic: I'm actually confused at why this bill was even passed. It ended up turning the public against the Quebec government at a point in the protest when the majority of Quebecers supported them vs.the student protesters. Now, half the population is out marching every night. Not a smart tactical move, really.

Brings us closer to Martial Law as we speak. I have no idea why this Bill is even brought up and passed through. But the sound of saving our budget sounds more important than us. It's all about them and not giving a rats ass about us.

What scares me the most about this bill is the fact that it covers soooo much material. And there could be all kinds of little tidbits put in there that get sneaked through on this monsters back.

I don't think we should ever have these "Omnibus Bills". Each piece of legislation needs to be debated on its own merits, not these super bills that contain a whole bunch of stuff that is only related because it is in these Bills.

And tbh, most of these pieces of legislation, I don't have a problem with but i still don't want the whole lot of them being forced through as one. Where the hell did this concept come from anyway? I don't ever recall hearing the term Omnibus Bill until this last election when Harper said he was going to table the Crime Omnibus Bill to pass all the legislation on criminal reforms he wanted to get through but couldn't in a Minority House.

Originally posted by stanguilles7

On Topic: I'm actually confused at why this bill was even passed. It ended up turning the public against the Quebec government at a point in the protest when the majority of Quebecers supported them vs.the student protesters. Now, half the population is out marching every night. Not a smart tactical move, really.

The OP is talking about the federal government bill C-38, not Quebec's Bill-78. You might want to try a little harder to be on topic as your post is definitely off topic.

They have millions already put aside in the budget to pass the online spying bill again... money's there for it and it isn't even law yet! I started a thread about it here the other day.

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Everyone I know did not vote for this government. It's a hot topic of debate for most people around where I live ... trying to figure out how he got back in!


This large batch of changes is frightening, how much ambiguous wording is in this one? 400 pages is a lot to dissect. Amending 60 different acts, repealing a 6 others and adding three more is ludicrous!


I don't even know what to say about this government anymore...

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Only 400 pages?? That's nothing... How about 2,000 plus pages on healthcare reform alone. Most of which contain hidden treats (for big business and donors) and traps for the unassuming population. (Obamacare)

Sorry for the side track. Yes, it does sound like Canada is in for quite the ride as your country attempts to tighten its belt and its purse strings. Seems to be a growing trend these days. The writing was on the wall 20 years ago and I can understand the concern and frustration of the people

However...
Oct. 2011

In a bluntly worded address to business leaders in Toronto Wednesday night, Ed Clark said Canada along with most other Western economies is facing one of the biggest challenges in a generation as a result of fundamental economic and demographic forces including a slow-growth economy, an aging population and globalization.

Mr. Clark predicted Canada is headed for difficult times and “if history is any guide, the recovery will be slow and painful and accompanied by periodic crises. The prolonged period of slow growth expected will have a profound effect on Canada’s recovery and economy.”

Framing his comments as a call to action to policy makers and the public, Mr. Clark painted a dark picture including the possibility of long-term low interest rates which could have a “dramatic” impact on pension plans’ ability to meet their obligations.
He said the impact of economic and demographic forces is being exacerbated by expectations of political leaders not just in Canada but across the western world who formed their views in a more prosperous time.

“In simple terms, in too many countries, promises have been made that cannot be kept. Promises around health care, pensions and support systems, which seemed affordable at the time,” he said in his speech.

Mr. Clark said policy makers need to sit down and talk about the real issues — what services people should expect government to provide and how they will be paid for. The trouble is, there’s “a cone of silence” around the subject.

“Many politicians believe talk about structural reform is like touching the third rail of a subway — you’re bound to get zapped. Unless citizens encourage these difficult conversations, politicians understandably put them off,” he said.

Has that debate ever been held??
business.financialpost.com...

67 years of WAGE SLAVERY? It's now 65? WOW! So maybe it's better to be a WAGE SLAVE in the United States of Imperialism? How about not being a WAGE SLAVE at all! PEACE

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Wage Slave?? What in the world is that? What is the alternative to working and striving for success?? Being a slave to the State? Relying on the State for your very own existence? Relying on others for the essentials to live?

Problem!! We have govts. that have continually over promised and over spent for decades and the bill is now coming due. That's a problem. Now its panic mode. Look at Greece!! They want to retire at 55 and collect their pensions from Germany and others....

Stephnen Harper and his government should be removed, and brought to trial for the various lies, scandals and illegal activities they've done to us Canadians.

From Election Fraud, to lying about the budget, to passing back to work legislation EVERY time there is a dispute ( which always favors the big business, not the union), it's non-chalente attitutude towards 200 thousand Canadians in the streets of Montreal.

This government should NOT be allow to pass legislation, we need to pro-rogue parliament.

~Tenth

Similar threads, similar answers......
Those who are still armed, must share with those who are not, at least till we get the military boys on our side....
I am sure the reservists would be ready to join us .....they have to live in this ugly jungle too.....
The regular military may take longer, but they will also join us or refuse to oppose the revolution ....
Underground cells need to be organised, a way of communicating devised....a general plan initiated....
There is no more mr nice docile guy.....time to turn this wreck around......for humanitys sake.....
Or we will be mind controlled robot slaves before much longer......

There is only one problem with underground cells. I believe this quote is from the Russian revolution.
"When four sit down to plot, three are fools and one is a spy."

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
... it's non-chalente attitutude towards 200 thousand Canadians in the streets of Montreal.

What has Steven Harper and the Conservative government have to do with the Montreal street protests? That's a provincial issue between student organizations, their supporters, and the provincial government of Jean Charest.

I am against the idea of an omnibus bill. It reminds me too much of American practice of pushing bills that have many unrelated amendments put forth in a "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours" fashion. The government should be submitting a number of bills, each to be voted on, to cover the various proposals that they wish passed.

Well Candians deserve it. They let their country be infested with foreigners from Asia all for backhanders.

China practically owns Canada and if you look at BC (British Columbia) it has so many Asians from China, Hong Kong and the common variable?? Most are not background checked properly and are part of Asian criminal enterprises.

They bought and paid for their entry by the thousands and now control the government in many areas.


Too bad.....besides its scenery there was nothing going for Canada anyway.

Originally posted by stirling
Those who are still armed, must share with those who are not, at least till we get the military boys on our side....
I am sure the reservists would be ready to join us .....they have to live in this ugly jungle too.....
The regular military may take longer, but they will also join us or refuse to oppose the revolution ....
Underground cells need to be organised, a way of communicating devised....a general plan initiated....
There is no more mr nice docile guy.....time to turn this wreck around......for humanitys sake.....
Or we will be mind controlled robot slaves before much longer......

What sort of fantasy world do you live in?

Aide from the fact that the military is apolitical as an organization, which political party do you think most military personnel voted for in the last election? Do you think maybe it was the one that was buying new equipment and promoting the idea that the military deserves the respect of the Canadian public? Or do you think it was the one that let it suffer from, at best, benign neglect?

You are actually promoting the subversion of the democratic process because you are upset with the electoral results?

Originally posted by Six6Six
Well Candians deserve it. They let their country be infested with foreigners from Asia all for backhanders.

China practically owns Canada and if you look at BC (British Columbia) it has so many Asians from China, Hong Kong and the common variable?? Most are not background checked properly and are part of Asian criminal enterprises.

They bought and paid for their entry by the thousands and now control the government in many areas.


Too bad.....besides its scenery there was nothing going for Canada anyway.

I'm sorry and you are getting your information from where exactly?
Maybe a little bit of proof to back up this claim?

I happen to know a lot of Asian people and they are just like regular everyday folks wanting to make a living.
I also know a lot of Lebanese, European's, African's etc.
So should I think that they too came here by nefarious means to buy the government and take control?

Canada is a multicultural country and we open are borders and I wouldn't have it any other way.
There will always be bad apples in a crowd but your suggestion is ridiculous,

That aside, the conservative's are slowly changing Canada and not for the better.
But really in the end who else are we going to vote for? The Liberal's? NDP?
No way I would ever vote for the Green party. I have been trying to tell friends and family for the last few weeks about the Omnibill but no one has any idea what I'm talking about.
Heck most people don't seem to know about what's going on in Quebec either and that's right next door.
Seems like no one is interested in politics these days as long as the bills are paid.

BTW first post.