A Dictator Is The Solution.

lol, people get so mad at Germanicus

Originally posted by RealSpoke
lol, people get so mad at Germanicus

Not wrong

reply to post by Germanicus


Just for the sake of debate ...

I don't know what part of the world you come from, but because you mention Greece let us hypothetically imagine that you are one of many filled with despair and help vote in a new leader on the premise that tough measures and the political will to carry them through is what's needed to stabilize the economy. These measures have serious implications on the status quo of immigration, civil liberties and the justice system. However, the new leader you have voted in assures the electorate that things will get worse before they get better. You and others see no other way out of the economic situation and harbor reservations about the policies, but jobs are needed and sovereign debt needs balancing.

For a while things improve. Going back to the drachma hasn't been as bad as first thought and civil unrest is dramatically curtailed. However, slowly you start seeing changes to the justice system which reduces the ability to oppose the ruling party - politically and through the media. The constabulary forces of the country become accountable to the ruling party alone and are given new remits that move into the realm of intelligence gathering. Those fears you and others had about voting in such a hard-line politician become the focus of your minds as you are told that these new systems of governance are to ensure an economically stable path forward and not a return to the woes of before.

One day, you and a group of friends are sat outside a cafe drinking coffee, talking about your fears of the future. Although, you are all pleased the economy is improving, your conversation turns heated and very political --questioning the reduction in civil liberties and wondering if you made the right choice in voting the ruling party in. That evening you get a knock at the door and open it to members of the new security apparatus who want to question you about your politics. Explaining that you were overheard at a cafe talking in disdain about the party leader and are now wanted for further questioning ...

Still want a dictator?

How about we try more constitutionalism, federalism, and republicanism first to tamper down some of the nasty mob rule aspects of democracy before we decide to go full fledged dictator.

Dang, G, you've gotten spammed!

I've learned to appreciate your threads.

You see, I don't think you're the rabid socialist that most think you are. You tend to have too much common sense for that.

Originally posted by LarryLove
reply to post by Germanicus

 

Just for the sake of debate ...

I don't know what part of the world you come from, but because you mention Greece let us hypothetically imagine that you are one of many filled with despair and help vote in a new leader on the premise that tough measures and the political will to carry them through is what's needed to stabilize the economy. These measures have serious implications on the status quo of immigration, civil liberties and the justice system. However, the new leader you have voted in assures the electorate that things will get worse before they get better. You and others see no other way out of the economic situation and harbor reservations about the policies, but jobs are needed and sovereign debt needs balancing.

For a while things improve. Going back to the drachma hasn't been as bad as first thought and civil unrest is dramatically curtailed. However, slowly you start seeing changes to the justice system which reduces the ability to oppose the ruling party - politically and through the media. The constabulary forces of the country become accountable to the ruling party alone and are given new remits that move into the realm of intelligence gathering. Those fears you and others had about voting in such a hard-line politician become the focus of your minds as you are told that these new systems of governance are to ensure an economically stable path forward and not a return to the woes of before.

One day, you and a group of friends are sat outside a cafe drinking coffee, talking about your fears of the future. Although, you are all pleased the economy is improving, your conversation turns heated and very political --questioning the reduction in civil liberties and wondering if you made the right choice in voting the ruling party in. That evening you get a knock at the door and open it to members of the new security apparatus who want to question you about your politics. Explaining that you were overheard at a cafe talking in disdain about the party leader and are now wanted for further questioning ...

Still want a dictator?

Well,considering the fact that I would not be at all surprised if the CIA or ASIO is reading some of my threads, yes. Yes I do.

What we have now is broken and not worth fixing. Since I am a Socialist,it is only a matter of time until guys like me are considered an Enemy of the State. The capialists would not allow true socialism even if we voted for it. So what we are living under is duopoly capitalist regime.

I guess we just disagree. Thanks for writing all that out,I agrre with you that there would be risks.

I am Australian but I mention Greece because conditions are perfect for rebellion over there. They dont have much to lose. I am hoping they will rise up. Revolt is not a fantasy in Europe. It is possible. An ambitious General my see his chance for glory are take power from the elites. Im hoping for something. If they break the Greeks the rest of us scared rats will probably just follow them to the harsh Austerity that is planned for the West.

Originally posted by beezzer
Dang, G, you've gotten spammed!

I've learned to appreciate your threads.

You see, I don't think you're the rabid socialist that most think you are. You tend to have too much common sense for that.

If you highball to start with, the middle ground gets closer I do like socialism. If the capitalists would go back to something like the 90's I would not be on a forum talking about this stuff

reply to post by Germanicus


If you happen to disagree with said dictator, it's off to the camp you go. To never be heard from again.

Personally, I like to be able to say what I want, worship whatever god I want, be able to defend myself aginst those who would want to kill me, and be secure in my own possessions without having my belongings searched by goons.
Death camps, political prisons, secret police, collusiums are not condusive to freedom. I would die before I gave up my freedoms which I currently enjoy. Government is to be subject to the people and not the people subject to the government. If you are tired of your freedoms, try life in North Korea and you can worship their "Blessid Leader". Step out of line and its a one way trip to the "work" camp...one way trip.
I'm not trying to be hostile, and I see your point of view. I'm just passionate. Don't give up your birthright of freedom to a dictator who could turn out to be your worst nightmare.

Originally posted by snusfanatic
How about we try more constitutionalism, federalism, and republicanism first to tamper down some of the nasty mob rule aspects of democracy before we decide to go full fledged dictator.

I am open to anything that is not the current path to harsh Austerity.

I have read through most of this thread, and I have to sit here shaking my head in the utter stupidity people are exhibiting when they oppose the POV of the OP, because quite honestly, the OP is correct! We might not like it, but it is a truth that we need to face.

As a matter of fact, there are BILLIONS of people hoping for the ultimate dictator to arrive, and I suspect that most of the posters that have voiced their opposition to a dictatorship are among those that are part of this group (though this is just a supposition on my part).

BILLIONS of people are awaiting the prophesied arrival of a dictator, and THIS dictator is going to be ok simply because the dictator is called Messiah?

Face it, not only do we need a dictator, most of us are awaiting his arrival.

Originally posted by Germanicus

Our 'senators' of the West have failed us all.

So you are wanting another, new 'cincinnatus' of the west? Or another caesar, perpetuus?

Every coin has two sides of action, one on side it can shake its head at you, on the other side it can wiggle its tail at you.

reply to post by Germanicus


We are all still chasing utopias though. Socialist, capitalist, fascist etc. they are all utopias and so far none has delivered the dream. The system is broken, I agree but to replace it with tried, tested and failed alternatives is not the answer. It is at these epoch moments that risks should be taken with new political and social ideas which are in line with the transformation nation states are undergoing.

Interesting how you leave out the third act of every dictator's reign.

Hitler was a great dictator, until...

Julius Caesar was a great dictator, until...

Josef Stalin...

Mussolini...

Hugo Chavez...

Castro...

UNTIL

reply to post by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh


I am stupid because I oppose his point of view. Hot damn you would fit right in to the system Germanicus proposes.

I will not be told what is and is not correct. I will decide that for myself. If you don't like that reeducate me with all your might

It is unjust and a violation of our natural rights to impose one's will and belief on another. That is exactly what a dictator's job is, even if it is for "the greater good". There will be those with differing opinions of just how to aid the "greater good" and suppressing and eliminating those voices is a good way to drive humanity backwards. Who is to say they didn't just liquidate the next Einstein or Eisenhower? We will only move forward as a race if everyone is free and educated (not brainwashed like Amerika's current system attepts). Sadly if we do reach a point where we can function as a completely free society it will likely be temporary.

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Interesting how you leave out the third act of every dictator's reign.

Hitler was a great dictator, until...

Julius Caesar was a great dictator, until...

Josef Stalin...

Mussolini...

Hugo Chavez...

Castro...

UNTIL

What did Caesar do?

And Chavez and Castro are not so bad.

Anyway,I think you missed the point. It also doesnt seem like you read all my post.

Democracy is the ability of the people to choose their own dictator. Whilst this phrase may be a joke, it is actually true. At least here in England, where the elite can rob the poor.

Originally posted by Mkoll
reply to post by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh

 

I am stupid because I oppose his point of view. Hot damn you would fit right in to the system Germanicus proposes.

I will not be told what is and is not correct. I will decide that for myself. If you don't like that reeducate me with all your might

edit on 27-5-2012 by Mkoll because: (no reason given)

I disagree with Germanicus also. But it's not enough just to disagsree.

What is your alternative to a dictatorship?

Any type of big government is bad as far as I'm concerned. Because it takes away from individuality.

reply to post by Germanicus


1:14 PM by Germanicus
"reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 01:14 PM by Germanicus
"OI ride a motorbike at 200km/ph with a tshirt on. I guess it doesnt matter about a jacket at 200 but still. Im no scared rat.
02:31 PM
"If they break the Greeks the rest of us scared rats" --->reply posted on 27-5-2012 @ 02:31 PM by Germanicus

Ok now i understand "So what we are living under is duopoly capitalist regime."

duopoly,,
the ability too rightfully claim, truth,,

when ONE see's fit.

duo,,as in two,,,,,,faced with so more thinking there "Germanicus",,who would be spinning in his ,,
whatever,,,u use his name as a side against Him,,
hmmm seems like a British,,plot,,or was it Roman,,?
u should be ashamed,,u would even be allowed too, strap his Sandels.

Capitalist democracy is a farce. US congress has an all time low approval rating because all they do is argue with each other. They are more interested in petty political millage than actually addressing the ever pressing issues that face the United States. It is the same all across the West. Its duopoly politics. The major parties job is to distract the masses with non-issue partisan distraction while they pass legislation the elites want passed behind our backs. The duopoly media quaterbacks this charade. We do not have democracy. Our votes mean nothing. It is all pretend. It is also set up so that a minor party that wins the primary vote cannot form government. Western Democracy is designed in a way that makes it virtually impossible for a new party to emerge and sweep to power. Capitalist democracy ensures the power of the duopoly regime.

That was the crux of the OP really. Who can argue with what Im saying?

If democracy is a lie,we live under the rule of a regime.

Its time to shoot ideas around. In my humble opinion a dictator is the way to go.

Eminent Domain could be used to get some stuff done. There is also an Executive Order that exists that can be used to Nationalize the entire country. But the point I am making is that they tell us nothing can get done. It can if we change things. If things remain how they are it will continue to be a charade.

reply to post by beezzer


Interestingly, austerity measures have forced people to re-evaluate their lives. A credit based system of living was never going to last and although the financial shock of 2008 catapulted the word austerity into twenty-first century vernacular, people are now forced to evaluate and change aspects of their life whereas before they perhaps would not.