Flashing UFO passing the ISS

Originally posted by cybersk8er
Video from anonymous person that recorded ISS live feed sent to aliennewz youtube. Posted today.

It seems the UFO, shot up from the atmosphere, or it was already in orbit above the atmosphere as the ISS view orbits around Earth.

It makes a smooth right turn and then 'blinks', it looks as if it had lights on it, I don't think it's from the sun reflection.

I don't think it could be another satellite/debris, it just seemed to be moving so fast, as it covered a massive range of distance in a short amount of time.

What is it???

edit on 25-5-2012 by cybersk8er because: (no reason given)

How is this a ufo?

How is it not? U=Unidentified..
Do you know what it is?

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
The measurements start at 0:20 when the speed is around 37,728 km/h. The measurements end at 0:40 (20 seconds later) when the speed is around 292,392 km/h.

edit on 26-5-2012 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)

well it's not man made anyways, about 10 times faster than a space shuttle lol

reply to post by JimOberg

There seems to be a consistent phenomenon with so many space vids, in that there are anomalies that seem to flash or pulsate and almost seem to generate their own light. I understand the tumbling debris and iridium light, but does that explain all of those anomalies?
Also, Jim, what do you think of the astronauts comments(from more than one I believe) about what they called "fireflies?"

Thanks,
spec

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
I don't agree with Jim often, but he does have a point here, it's interesting footage but the possibility of CGI does remain.

Some steps are obviously needed for verification, but because this blip appears to pass BEHIND the solar array, it must be at a significant range and has my interest. I'd definitely call it unusual and not your typical spacecraft-shed dandruff.

It looks fake to me.

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

 

Damn dude, thats some calculations. Whats your day job, MIT professor?

Not hardly.

Note how he 'assumes' the UFO is over the edge of the Earth, when all we can justifiably assert is that it is farther than the outer solar panel [which it appears to go behind].

Secondly, note his other assumption, that the field-of-view of the TV camera [showing a curved horizon] is a subset of the view of the whole Earth from a great distance, so that the apparent curvatures are congruent.

They're not. The curvature of the TV view is due entirely to the height of the point-of-view above the surface of the Earth's spheroid. From ISS altitude, the horizon is depressed from true horizontal by about 20 degrees, all the way around the horizon.

As altitude varies, the degree of horizon curvature varies. Try it yourself by imagining the shape of the horizon line from an altitutde of zero, then ISS altitude, then say 5 or 10 times ISS altitude, then out at the Moon. See how it bends. The change makes any congruency assumptions invalid.

Without knowing the technical specs of the camera and its zoom setting, there is nothing the observed horizon curvature tells us about the angular length of the arc.

And without knowing the range to the object, there is little if anything that knowing its angular length tells us about its actual physical length.

He DID waste two hours of his life.

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
reply to post by JimOberg

 

There seems to be a consistent phenomenon with so many space vids, in that there are anomalies that seem to flash or pulsate and almost seem to generate their own light. I understand the tumbling debris and iridium light, but does that explain all of those anomalies?
Also, Jim, what do you think of the astronauts comments(from more than one I believe) about what they called "fireflies?"

Thanks, spec

In all the most notorious shuttle UFO videos -- 48, 63, 75, 80, 121, etc -- the dots appear ONLY while in sunlight, and specifically, the brief interval after orbital sunrise when the background is still dark and where the shuttle's own shadow casts an umbra into the space where the camera is pointing, allowing nearby objects to drift out of shadow and suddently 'appear' against the Earth/horizon in the background..

In my view this isn't coincidental, it's cause and effect. And it shows the objects are close, tiny, and only sunlit.

Ditto the 'fireflies'. They look and move just like you'd expect small, nearby, sunlit particles to look.

Originally posted by JimOberg


In all the most notorious shuttle UFO videos -- 48, 63, 75, 80, 121, etc -- the dots appear ONLY while in sunlight,

When you're traversing in space at 300 miles above sea level....isn't the Sun always visible?

What are you looking at here? It's a:

- satellite
- one of those

i799.photobucket.com...

- piece from the ISS, satellites as there are lots of junk satellites

There is nothing unusual about it

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
reply to post by JimOberg

 

In all the most notorious shuttle UFO videos -- 48, 63, 75, 80, 121, etc -- the dots appear ONLY while in sunlight, and specifically, the brief interval after orbital sunrise when the background is still dark and where the shuttle's own shadow casts an umbra into the space where the camera is pointing, allowing nearby objects to drift out of shadow and suddently 'appear' against the Earth/horizon in the background..

In my view this isn't coincidental, it's cause and effect. And it shows the objects are close, tiny, and only sunlit.

Ditto the 'fireflies'. They look and move just like you'd expect small, nearby, sunlit particles to look.

Now that is something I can agree with, although not entirely because any object with an unknown albedo potential could be seen to some degree, with the caveat of being big enough 'in the darkness' Nearness is only a value if known, in relation to the largeness of an object if also known, ultimately we are chasing shadow here, and it can only be true to say that more info is needed. It does look like the ISS is passing over an ocean, could be the Pacific.

OH MY GOD! I just say as many as 20 UFO in the sky, I live in Porto from Portugal, and i saw lights just like the video right now. It's the first time i ever saw this... First there were like 8 in the sky forming a weird shape all with the same space between them all of them BLINKING! They were all heading towards west, then more 3 and more 2 and more and more they just keep coming with the same pattern, i called everyone in my house we all saw them. Finally a triangular shaped one passed by really fast with a red light in front and another huge one blinking with a dark spot in the middle we were all baffled... Sorry for being out of topic, can't post new threads yet, so i searched for a similar one.

Best regards,
Vcoder

Originally posted by UKWO1Phot
How is it not? U=Unidentified..
Do you know what it is?

None us never do,but i am sure ISS does. its in orbit and blinking ,,hello?

Originally posted by GiodanoBruno

Originally posted by UKWO1Phot
How is it not? U=Unidentified..
Do you know what it is?

None us never do,but i am sure ISS does. its in orbit and blinking ,,hello?

The nearest I have seen so far for the blinking episode is the Space-x Dragon using engine manoeuvres, non-linear fasion. The space-x does have switchable lighting though. This then, could have been a strobe light test, at the switch on phase.

I've looked over this video several times.

ALL the rendering is done in screen space - not actual image space. It's 100% fake.

If you follow the line the 'object' takes, you'll notice it jerks as it moves up and down on a pixel level. Someone is clearly learning the 'art' of hoaxing.

A hint to future hoaxers... explore subpixel precision - without it, you're gonna look bad.

For those interested, screen space rendering attempts to follow the on screen expectation of where you expect an 'object' to be. It's apparent from the moment when this occurs.





And this ignores the obvious highlight 'blur' around the 'object'. In a normal optical system, this would distort across the field of view. In this video, it didn't.

Sorry guys, this is another fake.

This is very interesting. However, like a few others have stated, it appears to be in the Earth's orbit..

Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by Juggernog
reply to post by ChaoticOrder

 

Damn dude, thats some calculations. Whats your day job, MIT professor?

Not hardly.

True, they are very simple calculations actually.

Note how he 'assumes' the UFO is over the edge of the Earth, when all we can justifiably assert is that it is farther than the outer solar panel [which it appears to go behind].

Well the object does appear to come up from behind the horizon of the Earth... but yo0u are correct, there is no way of knowing for sure.

As altitude varies, the degree of horizon curvature varies. Try it yourself by imagining the shape of the horizon line from an altitutde of zero, then ISS altitude, then say 5 or 10 times ISS altitude, then out at the Moon. See how it bends. The change makes any congruency assumptions invalid.

Your argument would indicate my speed estimations are lower than they should be, because the vantage point of the ISS isn't as high as it needs to be to see the full curvature of the Earth. The more curvature, the larger the arc.

Originally posted by Human_Alien

Originally posted by JimOberg


In all the most notorious shuttle UFO videos -- 48, 63, 75, 80, 121, etc -- the dots appear ONLY while in sunlight,

When you're traversing in space at 300 miles above sea level....isn't the Sun always visible?

Thanks for checking on this.

The answer is not only 'no', but 'golly gee GOSH no'.

But your candid question helps make the point again, that the less one knows about real spaceflight, or thinks they know but in error about real spaceflight, the more attracted they are to UFO interpretations.

The antidote is to learn more about real spaceflight through reading, satellite watching, tuning in to spaceflight documentaries or DVDs, etc.

But the temptation remains great to AVOID learning these things, because it's so much more fun to believe the nonsensical misinterpretations.

It's not that some people don't WANT to know more about reality. They positively want to NOT know more about reality.

But asking this question is a good sign.

The next good sign would be to believe the answer.

Earth casts a shadow 'down sun' out into space hundreds of thousands of miles long, tapering gradually, but still dark as far out as the Moon's orbit and well beyond.

The 2000 mile diameter Moon also casts a shadow but in the distance to Earth it converges to a point, just barely reaching Earth in a narrow circle tens of miles across, sometimes even NOT reaching Earth [creating an annular eclipse, such as recently].

As satellites near Earth pass into and out of Earth's shadow, they become dark, their solar panels stop producing electricity, and their instruments can observe stars without sun glare washing them out.

Satellites also cast shadows, but of course they're much narrower. The shuttle, especially, cast a shadow out about a thousand feet or so. It tapers because the sun is not a point source, it's half a degree across so the sunlight passing around the edges of an object, tends to slowly converge.

Small nearby objects coming off a shuttle, as they slowly drift away, can emerge from that shadow and suddenly become visible. They 'appear' to emerge from the background, and this gives a powerful illusion that they are coming up from whatever is in the background -- Earth surface or edge, for example.

After several minutes, the satellite passes over onto above the sunlit surface, which reflects light into the shadow zone and provides substantial illumination. The 'blind zone' is eliminated.

It is during this brief [3 to 4 minute] segment of each 90 minute orbit that the most spectacular 'space UFO videos' occurred. I argue that it is a cause and effect of the unique lighting condition acting on normal 'space dandruff'. Small, nearby, accidentally shed 'stuff'.

For those who champion the unexplainable nature of such videos, they NEVER disclose this particular context of them. NEVER.

But if you don't realize the solar illumination distribution in the camera's field of view, and where the shadows ARE, you'll never have a clue to understanding what is really being seen.

And so you'll think the dots are UFOs. Thousands of people, maybe millions, do. None of them know about the lighting and shadow.

People presenting these videos seem to not WANT you to know. Maybe they want you NOT to know. Maybe that's why they refuse to provide date/time of the actual videos. Maybe that's why they justify other people covering up that information, and arguing that 'nobody NEEDS to know that information.'

So the minds of naive viewers remain in shadow, in the dark, literally and metaphorically -- until they see the light.

Hu, is there a light going on in your mind? Thanks for asking the question, and reading the answer.

This particular scene appears to be in full sunlight, so the issue of shadows doesn't enter into interpreting it. But the date/time is still critical in order to determine other activities or other distant satellites, such as a derelict 'Iridium' bird.

But first we have to establish that the flasher was even IN the original video.

reply to post by JimOberg


When it comes to such objects seen high in the atmosphere it could be many things and it is true that one needs to know more about flight. However, that is not the explanation for any close encounters with unknown aircraft as few real cases as there are.

Originally posted by Imtor
reply to post by JimOberg

 

When it comes to such objects seen high in the atmosphere it could be many things and it is true that one needs to know more about flight. However, that is not the explanation for any close encounters with unknown aircraft as few real cases as there are.

Imtor, I'm not clear about what you're trying to say here, sorry.

I also watched it carefully , The thing that boggles me is that the ISS seems directly on collision course with this object. this seen from the moving earth beneath. It looks to me like, the object starts to blink when it started to change course to the right,

by the way I cant imagine that satellites are on the same height as the ISS would be, so there's one object that would be on the same course the soyuz capsule that made a flyby and the occupants flashing their flashlights..

great vid anyways...:up