Updates - Answers from an Alien from Andromeda

Originally posted by petrus4

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I am however listening with my "sci-fi ears" though..so with the total suspension of disbelief, I am listening to his entertainment...and due to nothing good being in sci-fi these days, my brain is starving for some good space fantasy.

Yep. Anyone who disses Kerry Cassidy or David Wilcock for potentially being frauds, is totally missing the point. I don't watch Kerry for the truth; I watch her for the same reason I used to watch the X Files. A mind rape is enjoyable, irrespective of whether there's any reality in what is being said at all. It might be complete fiction, but I don't care in the least.

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And who knows..one day you might see something and be like "wow, they got that part right...I'll be damned".

truth value of these videos appears far less consequential than the certainty of those individual initial ats posts on the thread...
it would appear that we need ample evidence to prove a thing...but little to no evidence to disprove it - all we need is our own bias!

Originally posted by awake1234
truth value of these videos appears far less consequential than the certainty of those individual initial ats posts on the thread...
it would appear that we need ample evidence to prove a thing...but little to no evidence to disprove it - all we need is our own bias!

That is sort of critical though...got our species on top of the food chain.
actually, disprove is a misnomer. Things are already "disproven"..or rather not proven by default.

Once they are proven..they are proven and cannot be disproven (unless the original proof was not proof at all but rather misunderstood evidence).

One can say...well, flat earth was disproven. But, flat earth was never proven to begin with..it was simply accepted. one had to prove a spherical earth to begin with to go against the accepted hypothesis of the earth being flat.

So, ya...all things start from a state of disproven (not even sure thats an actual word as it makes no sense...unproven is a word though). It is up to people to attempt to prove it if possible...else yes, understandings and accepted hypothesis/theory/fact will reject things that counter without proof.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Today the things work this way:

- You make a claim. Now you need to prove that claim to be correct.

It isn't about unproven... it about claims. You make ANY claim, you must prove that it is correct otherwise any discussion initiated from point is moot.

For example.
Alien from Andromeda... How can it claim that the answers are from an alien? And how he knows he is from Andromeda Galaxy?

Why the claim that is from Andromeda is so important?
Probable because the author of message wants to add importance to the message/claims but such thing fall under: Fallacious Appeal to Authority, Argument from authority, Misuse of Authority, Irrelevant Authority, Questionable Authority, Inappropriate Authority, Argumentum Ad Verecundiam. It's just about logic

Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate

So my position is
I reject the claim that he is an alien from Andromeda.

reply to post by blackcube


Yep, I know...and I agree.
Hense why claims to me go one of three ways

Claim of merit: something with science (probably dealing with portals...awesome). no proof..this is a hypothesis because the person claiming is formulating a way to gather evidence and test..ok, will put that in a consideration and interest in the science that comes from it.

Claim of ignorance: Something pseudo-science that will have supporting "evidence" misinterpreted to further a claim...it is seen as a complete picture by the claiming party, therefore it will never go into the hypothesis stage. you are told to believe it, and if you show skepticism towards it, you are insulted for...being skeptical. This is the stuff that needs to be blasted as it hurts the claims of merits

Claim of imagination: Slightly similar to the ignorance, however, there is no push for belief..and the ideas are so obscure that its not even worth starting out in picking it apart...so, it goes from a consideration of truth, directly into a fun fiction we create, which then stimulates imagination (and often, in these fun filled accounts, actual new ideas may emerge, which then fill the ranks of both the merit and ignorance...innovation requires imagination...but then again, so do scams)

From what I have heard so far from these accounts, this is all about the fun..I don't think even the most gullible person in a position to effect anything whatsoever would buy into this...which makes it harmless..like saying the moon is made of cheese type of absurdity...I won't spend time discussing the actual material of the moon to counter it..instead, I will wonder how big a pizza it could make..or of micemen inhabit the holes

An alien civilization here to "aid us" wouldn't select some random schmuck to pass on hours and hours and important information. Common sense.. it's incredibly lacking here, far too often. This is also not the first person to make lengthy "chats" with "aliens." Been done before. The alien always comes off as a nerdy earth-born geek. Ergo, that's probably exactly what it is. If an actual alien was here to chat with us, first they would choose someone of vastly more importance. And second, we would be able to tell simply by the way they talk to us. Clearly this is a person trying to think like an alien thinks.. which is of course, impossible.

Originally posted by fleabit
An alien civilization here to "aid us" wouldn't select some random schmuck to pass on hours and hours and important information. Common sense.. it's incredibly lacking here, far too often. This is also not the first person to make lengthy "chats" with "aliens." Been done before. The alien always comes off as a nerdy earth-born geek. Ergo, that's probably exactly what it is. If an actual alien was here to chat with us, first they would choose someone of vastly more importance. And second, we would be able to tell simply by the way they talk to us. Clearly this is a person trying to think like an alien thinks.. which is of course, impossible.

Oh, so you're an expert on how contact would be established with our "civilization"?

In the videos it is mentioned numerous times that this contact is "unofficial", but at some point became officially sacntioned "unofficial" contact.

As many here know, official contact was established with the high-level group MJ-12, but they decided not to inform the rest of the planet.

I and many find these videos fascinating, true or not, such things as the secret NASA space program, and the suggestion that there may be a human colony on Mars now with a few thousand families of the elites.

Suggestions like the explosions in Virginia and Colorado last year, that were clearly shown on seismographs to be explosions and not natural tectonic activity, were caused by some humans elites and their minions and their reptilian allies trying to re-activate nuclear devices that had been deactivated by the alien species trying to help us, which blew up in their faces, and caused the Galactic Council to step in and finally ban the reptilians from any activity on our Planet? You couldn't write science fiction this good! You know what they say, the truth can be stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense.

So why are so many here intent on influencing our opinions on this matter? If you think this is crazy, why are so many coming back again and again to this thread? Do you enjoy interacting with "crazy" people?

As I said before, there are many "way out there" threads on ATS, and the ones that come closer to the "sacred" truths are the ones that attract more debunkers. Maybe I'll go back and count the number of debunkers on this thread and compare it with another thread topic considered "way out there" but altogether different from this subject matter.

For those of you who couldn't find Video 78, here it is:

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Apparently the original was pulled from the regular You tube channel. The elites must be getting nervous.

Here is the original channel:

www.youtube.com...

This stuff will blow your socks off!

It certainly blew my socks off...

Welp after doing a little research.. and I have done some, looks like a lot of people that would normally believe something like this even don't... believe Captain Bill that is. There are many forums discussing his "messages" and all of them from the Starseeds to the Lightworkers to just general people like most of us, have all come to the same conclusion, something is rotten in Denmark (yes it's a saying I know, and a cliche at that)

The message can be good in parts, heck it's always nice to see someone preaching love and peace, but Captain Bill doesn't preach light and peace and his contact certainly is more concerned with gloom and doom and pole shift (hmmmmmmm) which brings up what one poster had to say elsewhere, are we sure this isn't Nancy Lieber or someone she knows?

I'm sorry that people don't like other points of view, I'm sorry that all you can do is throw phrases like ignorant and we will all perish and won't be left afterwards... But really the information is out there, Captain Bill is not the place ot be getting it from , t's really all (and I re-listened to a lot of it) rehashed Zetatalk...

Hi.

I watched :23 seconds of video 77 before I needed to shut it off because the guys computerized voice was rapidly driving me insane.

Did this idiot really make 78 of these ridiculous #ing videos?

They average 7 to 9 minutes lets just say an average of 8 minutes multiplied 78 times is holy crap!!!!

Over 10 and a half hours!!!! of this moron droning on about nothing!

What's worse are the 1,000+ people who sit staring at their computer watching this stuff.

Really people there must be something more productive you can be doing!!!!

Originally posted by vkey08
It certainly blew my socks off...

Welp after doing a little research.. and I have done some, looks like a lot of people that would normally believe something like this even don't... believe Captain Bill that is. There are many forums discussing his "messages" and all of them from the Starseeds to the Lightworkers to just general people like most of us, have all come to the same conclusion, something is rotten in Denmark (yes it's a saying I know, and a cliche at that)

The message can be good in parts, heck it's always nice to see someone preaching love and peace, but Captain Bill doesn't preach light and peace and his contact certainly is more concerned with gloom and doom and pole shift (hmmmmmmm) which brings up what one poster had to say elsewhere, are we sure this isn't Nancy Lieber or someone she knows?

I'm sorry that people don't like other points of view, I'm sorry that all you can do is throw phrases like ignorant and we will all perish and won't be left afterwards... But really the information is out there, Captain Bill is not the place ot be getting it from , t's really all (and I re-listened to a lot of it) rehashed Zetatalk...

Thanks for your input, I don't object to you posts. I have no problem with people saying they don't believe this, great, everyone is entitled to their opinion. It is the belittling, insults and insinuations which are completely unecessary to get ones point across or express a legitimate opinion that come from others that just bring down the aura of the thread, hallmarks of insecure and/or limited mental capacities, weak or confused minds, and usually the hallmarks of the "knowledge management specialists".

I don't think this has anything to do with Nancy Leider and the Zeta's, for although some information lines up, other information is quite contradictory. Two big examples are that the Zeta's/Nancy says when we die out we will all be replaced by hybrids of humans/zeta's, but this Andromedan says that humans are a significant race in the Universe, in many galaxies with many variations, and that there may be some minor hybrid plans there are no major ones in place to replace us.

Another big contradiction is this; the Zeta's say Nibiru is just a planet with many swirling moons that orbits around our Sun and a dark dwarf star in the far reaches of our solar system and that Nibiru has the ancient Annunaki on it which are quarantined from contacting us as they have subjucated us in the past; however this "Andromedan" says that the Nibiru that is coming IS the dark star with a system around it, that revolves around our Sun and a small black hole at the far reaches of our solar system, and the Annunaki are no where near us.

Could you please share the links that have blogs discussing these posts by Captain Dave? Thanks.

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Thanks for your input, I don't object to you posts. I have no problem with people saying they don't believe this, great, everyone is entitled to their opinion. It is the belittling, insults and insinuations which are completely unecessary to get ones point across or express a legitimate opinion that come from others that just bring down the aura of the thread, hallmarks of insecure and/or limited mental capacities, weak or confused minds, and usually the hallmarks of the "knowledge management specialists

Really? Ad hominem to much?

Originally posted by blackcube

Originally posted by PlanetXisHERE
Thanks for your input, I don't object to you posts. I have no problem with people saying they don't believe this, great, everyone is entitled to their opinion. It is the belittling, insults and insinuations which are completely unecessary to get ones point across or express a legitimate opinion that come from others that just bring down the aura of the thread, hallmarks of insecure and/or limited mental capacities, weak or confused minds, and usually the hallmarks of the "knowledge management specialists

Really? Ad hominem to much?

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Really? So you think that insults, belittling and insinuations of mental instability are valuable contributions to a thread? And those that rely on such to "debunk" a thread instead of using logic have legitimate arguments?

I call them as I see them. I just presented these videos and received insults, belittling, and insinuations of mental instability - I feel like I am back in high school.

Belittling, insults, and insinuations of mental instability ARE the basis of most ad hominem attacks - and the psychological weaknesses of those using such are psychiatric fact and not any part of a fallacious argument.

Originally posted by blackcube
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Alien from Andromeda... How can it claim that the answers are from an alien? And how he knows he is from Andromeda Galaxy? Why the claim that is from Andromeda is so important?

On two separate occasions while abducted, I was told, in s many words, that I was Extraterrestrial, and from Andromeda. The first was 1951, the second even in 1994. I have good memory of both events.

All of the information I have is via the woan I met in '94.

Importance of Andromeda. Pehaps if you had the feelings for your home that I have for mine, you wuld not be experiencing so many issues in your relationship with Nature.

So my position is I reject the claim that he is an alien from Andromeda.

I fear you are over-complicating this. (funny0

Etharzi od Oma.

Their here to help us I'm so excited! The time is finally here, wake up people thats not aware of what is about to happen, saw another UFO today round 6pm amazing! Love&peace

Originally posted by pineal1128
Their here to help us I'm so excited! The time is finally here, wake up people thats not aware of what is about to happen, saw another UFO today round 6pm amazing! Love&peace

Do you know about the Unified Meditation scheduled for today?

americankabuki.blogspot.ca...

After taking some time to listen to some of this rubbish, I can't fathom how you could seriously believe these to be reality. It reads like any typical conspiracy forum. The issue with these ridiculous "interviews" is that they try to combine all conspiracy theories into one neat package. Nibiru, HAARP, natural disasters, global warming, government corrupting and NWO, etc. So now HAARP is cooking animals in the ocean?

Complete garbage - it's amazing people take the time to create such nonsense, and equally amazing people waste time listening to all of it. If I had to guess, they will combine all this junk into one book and try to make $$$ off of it. And people like the OP will lap it up.

Originally posted by fleabit
After taking some time to listen to some of this rubbish, I can't fathom how you could seriously believe these to be reality. It reads like any typical conspiracy forum. The issue with these ridiculous "interviews" is that they try to combine all conspiracy theories into one neat package. Nibiru, HAARP, natural disasters, global warming, government corrupting and NWO, etc. So now HAARP is cooking animals in the ocean?

Complete garbage - it's amazing people take the time to create such nonsense, and equally amazing people waste time listening to all of it. If I had to guess, they will combine all this junk into one book and try to make $$$ off of it. And people like the OP will lap it up.

Just another example of people who cannot disagree without denigration, insults, negative insinuation.

Why can't people just say something like "this is too far out there for me to believe", but I respect your beliefs.

Why? Well, if you read my signature you will understand why.

Originally posted by fleabitSo now HAARP is cooking animals in the ocean?

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HAARP has officially declared they superheat the ionosphere and create bubbles that reach into space up to 80 miles and wide.
at the same time they can use the exact same technology and power to extend communication with subs in oceanic depths by bouncing the energy off of different layers of the atmosphere.

so yes, I would assume they are cooking animals in the ocean with a power a BUNCHA times stronger than your microwave...



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Whether its true or not we don't know. What we absolutely have learned in this thread is a great deal about how certain people choose to treat eachother, and both the methods of and the effectiveness of the methods they choose to use to attempt to propagate their own beliefs. If you truly believe that what you say is the truth, then it confounds me as to why anyone would choose to use ridicule and insults and condescending tones of language as a tool to spread truth.

Originally posted by 3n19m470
Whether its true or not we don't know. What we absolutely have learned in this thread is a great deal about how certain people choose to treat eachother, and both the methods of and the effectiveness of the methods they choose to use to attempt to propagate their own beliefs. If you truly believe that what you say is the truth, then it confounds me as to why anyone would choose to use ridicule and insults and condescending tones of language as a tool to spread truth.

Actually what we learned is twofold.

1) People who want to will believe anything presented to them as long as it's what they wanted to hear.
2) Frustration sets in when others try to say "Hey while we do believe there are others out there in the universe, most likely this Captain Bill is a fraud for X and Y reason"