Indian state says it's OK now to kill tiger poachers on sight

reply to post by alphabetaone


billionaires have massive security and surveillance.

reply to post by paganini


one less poacher and the villagers will make sure that there are ten less rangers.

reply to post by llmacgregor


If you care so about animals and overpopulation then kill yourself and give the animal your space.

Sad you have no humanity.When poverty descends on you and you are desperate ,it will be worthwhile to ask you then.

reply to post by mkgandhas


You're talking about humanity all the while asking him to kill himself? Yeah, that's rich.

Let me tell you something. Poverty is no excuse to do crime. If it was, then all the gang members in South Central could justify their actions of violence and drug running with, "I'm poor, pity me". It doesn't work like that. Even if you are poor, that does not give you carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want in the name of feeding your family.

The poachers have been warned. The ranger's job is to protect the near-extinct tiger. If they decide to go after it even so, then they know the risks, they know it's a crime, and they are knowingly committing it. The decision, and ultimately, the consequences of their actions are theirs, and theirs alone. If they get shot, then they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Originally posted by GaussLet me tell you something. Poverty is no excuse to do crime. If it was, then all the gang members in South Central could justify their actions of violence and drug running with, "I'm poor, pity me". It doesn't work like that. Even if you are poor, that does not give you carte blanche to do whatever the hell you want in the name of feeding your family.

I have heard many of these poachers get payed little as well . Not sure if this is true and anyone can comment on the accuracy of this but if it is then its highly likely they are involved in other illegal activities as well thus its not wise to paint someone as a poor guy whos trying to feed his family when hes likely selling his wife and children and god knows what else to get by.

reply to post by Gauss


Easy to speak off the high horse.Poverty is coming to your nation.You will see desperation and despair in the future and you will know what you will be willing to do.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I hope a market opens up for magical poacher testicles.

It would be funny for some cultures to use those testicles to enhance their shriveled penises as they do now with the illegal use of rhino horns, tiger penises etc. especially in China.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by paganini

 

one less poacher and the villagers will make sure that there are ten less rangers.

This method of hunting poachers has already paid of quiet well in Assam and no ten rangers were not reduced for each poacher who was killed. I hope this policy becomes standard in dealing with illegal poachers.

Originally posted by mkgandhas

Originally posted by luciddream

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by luciddream

 

Sorry ,have you been to Dehradun you fool?There is a sanctuary nearby and these leopards venture and kill in human territory. Stick that into your head.

Oh right, so in order to prevent that we should go into their territory and wipe out the species? great idea there. Go look at the difference between Poaching and protecting. Im sure all these nice poachers are out their risking their life for the people of the village, get your head out of the hole.

Most poachers are poor and doing this to feed their families,unlike you ignorants who make all kinds of statements.Maybe you should come and see the poverty in India.For me,Human life is far greater than animal life.

Most of the poachers are actually living very well off and not as poor as you make them out to be. They get paid enough by the Chinese in dollars for bones, teeth and every body part. Being poor doesn't give you the right to commit crime. If it was so every poor person had the right to rob, kill, maim and murder to "earn a living". These poachers are just opportunist who want to earn a quick buck with illegal means and without any hard work. People who willfully and knowingly contribute to extinction should be hardly be sympathised with under the garb of pity of them being poor. They can choose not to hunt tigers and to put that effort elsewhere, but, for some, the potential reward outweighs the odds against their favor and potential punishment should things go South. They know it's illegal and they know they shouldn't be doing it whether they're aware of endangered status or not. The fact that they have to dodge law enforcement and that hunting a tiger is no trivial thing also implies that there is some level of professionalism and knowledge behind it. They're not as ignorant or innocent as they like to imply.

Originally posted by Elentarri
Good policy.
I wish they would implement this policy in South Africa re elephant and rhino murders.

I heard there was this policy but it was repealed and because of that now rhinos are a rare sight in South Africa now. Just last month hundreds of Elephants and Rhinos were brutally poached in S.A.

Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by poloblack

 

Killing for food or defense is a whole different breed of cat that poaching.

Now explain what exactly is so wrong about poaching that it is worth killing a human over?

Because it is against the law. They are taking a life and killing it to extinction.

Poaching is like stealing. Its bad, but killing a thief will rightly get you convicted of murder unless your life was in danger.

Stealing doesn't involve killing a species into extinction. Wrong example.

Originally posted by mackey1224uk
Originally posted by Skewed
reply to post by Ek Bharatiya

 

I dont believe shooting the poachers will stop it happening just as much. The (people in charge) need to target the buyer and sellers, and I don't mean shoot, "take away the money". Anyways, I think it would help that bit better.

This is already worked well in Assam (another Indian state with this policy). The numbers of tigers have increased there. I also agree with you more intensive efforts should be made to target buyers and sellers also. Maybe we can start by telling Chinese people the blood of poachers will give them bigger penises and cure disease.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by llmacgregor

 

Sad you have no humanity.

Strange you used the word "Humanity". Humanity means the quality of being humane; kindness; benevolence. If you are not kind and benevolent that does not mean you have the qualities of being a human. I'm sure killing a species into extinction by illegal means does not make you kind or benevolent.

Protecting someone who cannot protect themselves sounds more humane to me.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by llmacgregor

 

If you care so about animals and overpopulation then kill yourself and give the animal your space.

Sad you have no humanity.When poverty descends on you and you are desperate ,it will be worthwhile to ask you then.

edit on 26-5-2012 by mkgandhas because: (no reason given)

I am a simple thinker mkgandhas. It is crucial to not over think this issue.

Look at the dwindling numbers of tigers compared to the growing number of humans on this planet, compare them side by side---------->

HUMANS More then 7,000,000,000 > TIGERS approx 3200 (Different species)

From an ecological standpoint, which species seems to be doing the best?

They are on the brink of extinction, and you are trying to tell me that it is ok to eradicate them so a couple thousand criminal poachers can survive. Like OH NOOOOO! NOW THERE IS ONLY 6,999,998,000 Humans left.....Oh the humanity!!!! Come On! They will have to find another way to survive. And if they go out poaching aware of the contingency of death, I say let them choose their own fate.

reply to post by Ek Bharatiya


well ,villagers do kill rangers in retribution.

Originally posted by Ek Bharatiya

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by llmacgregor

 

Sad you have no humanity.

Strange you used the word "Humanity". Humanity means the quality of being humane; kindness; benevolence. If you are not kind and benevolent that does not mean you have the qualities of being a human. I'm sure killing a species into extinction by illegal means does not make you kind or benevolent.

Protecting someone who cannot protect themselves sounds more humane to me.

Spoken like a Delhite.Not a wonder there is a massive rebellion in the tribal areas with naxal control in 40% of the region and various other zones having their separatist movements.

If you are not kind and benevolent that does not mean you have the qualities of being a human. I'm sure killing a species into extinction by illegal means does not make you kind or benevolent.

If killing a beast can enable feeding a poor family I am all for it.If you are so concerned about beast you are welcome to be their food.Could help feed the useless beast you love.

Originally posted by Ek Bharatiya

Originally posted by mackey1224uk
Originally posted by Skewed
reply to post by Ek Bharatiya

 

I dont believe shooting the poachers will stop it happening just as much. The (people in charge) need to target the buyer and sellers, and I don't mean shoot, "take away the money". Anyways, I think it would help that bit better.

This is already worked well in Assam (another Indian state with this policy). The numbers of tigers have increased there. I also agree with you more intensive efforts should be made to target buyers and sellers also. Maybe we can start by telling Chinese people the blood of poachers will give them bigger penises and cure disease.

edit on 26-5-2012 by Ek Bharatiya because: (no reason given)

Assam has people with culture similiar to tibetan and han chinese shamanic culture.I suggest you respect it or else one of the days you will have a mass rebellion in Eastern India like the naxal tribal areas. But I guess you must be believing that rs.28 is the good level for poverty line.

Most of the poachers are actually living very well off and not as poor as you make them out to be.

Poachers get Rs2000-5000 per kill .Most of them are from a very poor background.

I am shocked!

While I am all for the preservation of the tigers and am all for the total eradication of poaching, there's a problem here. Tigers can kill people; tigers do on occasion kill people. Now let's just suppose someone is camping out at night and a tiger decides he is on the menu. He has a split second, if lucky, to defend himself. He cannot fight off an attacking tiger; he has to kill it before it gets close enough to kill him. Now, if he does so, he will be killed by a ranger for defending himself.

And this is a wonderful idea?

Or, someone gets into an argument with a ranger. The ranger draws his gun and shoots him, then files the report saying he was poaching and the tiger ran off as soon as he fired. Argument solved, and the ranger gets a reward for solving it.

Really?

Someone mentioned it earlier: due process. Prove that the deed is done before executing the suspect. Let us not go back to the days of despot rulers, where one could disappear for offending someone in power, with no questions asked and no retribution. Let us remember the lessons of history learned through the blood and torture of untold individuals, lest we be required to repeat the course.

The only thing I know of at this time sicker than someone intentionally wiping out a species is others calling for martial law to combat it. And make no mistake, this reads like martial law.

TheRedneck

reply to post by TheRedneck


I agree with your posts.I have seen ridiculous things in Dehradun.A person killed a leopard to protect his family and was jailed.Hell,the villagers in Bidholi,near Dehradun absolutely hate the forest rangers for they are totally corrupt and have a callous attitude.

Originally posted by mkgandhas
Spoken like a Delhite.

Seems like you have a problem with a vibrant section of society which is progressing. Sorry I am not here to reply your immature tantrums.

Not a wonder there is a massive rebellion in the tribal areas with naxal control in 40% of the region and various other zones having their separatist movements.

That has something to do with poachers and tigers? I've noticed you have tried to raise this thrice on this thread which has no bearing on the subject of the thread. Perhaps, your efforts to be off topic and deflect the subject of the thread would work if you will be more subtle than insulting and talking about immature things to almost everyone you have replied too.

If killing a beast can enable feeding a poor family I am all for it.If you are so concerned about beast you are welcome to be their food.Could help feed the useless beast you love.

I have a better idea. Capture the poachers and feed them to the tigers. This way the poachers will have a fair chance to get one on one with the species they want to eradicate for profit.