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: the capacity or facility for rising to a higher social or economic position
— upwardly mobile adjective First Known Use of UPWARD MOBILITY 1949
It is not a dream of motor cars and high wages merely, but a dream of social order in which each man and each woman shall be able to attain to the fullest stature of which they are innately capable, and be recognized by others for what they are, regardless of the fortuitous circumstances of birth or position.
Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by beezzer
Ha! you told me the American dream is the freedom to fail.
They have that in Somalia too.
Yes, there is the freedom to fail. There must be prospect of failure, of risk, for the reward of "success" to have real value. Socialism promulgates mediocrity for all. Is that your preference? If so, why not relocate to one of the socialist paradises like Greece?
Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by beezzer
Ha! you told me the American dream is the freedom to fail.
They have that in Somalia too.
Originally posted by DarthMuerte
Yes, there is the freedom to fail. There must be prospect of failure, of risk, for the reward of "success" to have real value. Socialism promulgates mediocrity for all. Is that your preference? If so, why not relocate to one of the socialist paradises like Greece?
Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by beezzer
Ha! you told me the American dream is the freedom to fail.
They have that in Somalia too.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by beezzer
Ha! you told me the American dream is the freedom to fail.
They have that in Somalia too.
In part, it is. The freedom to fail is unique. It's only found in America. How can one have real success if there is never the chance for failure?
Originally posted by Germanicus
The fredom to fail is not unique to the United Staes. Many nations have that freedom. They are called Third World Countries. Or 'developing nations'. We in the West are 'advanced' apparently. So all other nations in the West care for those in need. In America you cut them of welfare and expect them to starve. That is not advanced. That is backward. The demonic CEO salaries start in America too. America does not make me think of a dream at all. It sounds like a nightmare.
Originally posted by beezzer
Originally posted by Germanicus
The fredom to fail is not unique to the United Staes. Many nations have that freedom. They are called Third World Countries. Or 'developing nations'. We in the West are 'advanced' apparently. So all other nations in the West care for those in need. In America you cut them of welfare and expect them to starve. That is not advanced. That is backward. The demonic CEO salaries start in America too. America does not make me think of a dream at all. It sounds like a nightmare.
Shall I cancel your reservations to the United States then?
Us backwards folks get along just nicely, thank you.
Originally posted by JRedBeard
Way to call it like it is OP...
I'm glad you mentioned WW2 because I was reading recently that we borrowed the social conditioning concept of "school" from the nazis themselves... little american dream training camps.
Also while I'm far from a socialist and believe in all of the personal responsiblity, hard work, and freedom to fail opportunities Ron Paul's America has to offer () [no but seriously]
I do think that in the future we will have to start considering many more of our resources, technology and opportunities to be common property, and the right of productive persons to access them... So that we can really move forward as a species...
Lest someone someday own our damn air while they're at it anyway....
Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by DarthMuerte
You talk about socialism like it's the plague. However, it's the reality in America at this point.
After, governments bailing out banks and car companies? What's that called?
SOCIALISM!
Propping up millionaires by allowing them to get away with paying less. What's that called?
SOCIALISM!
If you'll note the sarcasm, you'll realize that conservatives only support socialism when it benefits their rich buddies.
Originally posted by neo96
How many millionaires has socialism ever made?
Go on how many?
How many millionaires are have been made getting their 99 weeks of unemployment?
How many millionaires are their getting those welfare checks?
How many millionaires,billionaires have capitalism made?
Hmmm?