Small book covering philosophy, the mind, right and wrong, and society

Curious to see what peoples' reactions and opinions are of this small book:

persistencesociety.com...

reply to post by capob


It's a perspective, just like anything else.

I like how unbiased and creatively accurate it is...

reply to post by Starchild23


Might you expand on that?

reply to post by capob


You first.

reply to post by luminosity


Sure, just tell me which ways you want me to expand; or, if you would, expand on your request.

reply to post by capob


I was hoping for at least an abstract or synopsis of the material covered by the book. Quite frankly, so I could see if it was of any interest to read.

reply to post by luminosity


Well, here's for what it covers - I hope this will do:

How the mind works -> how morals are created -> extracting a pattern of nature and reflecting on humans and nature -> how societies are created -> applying the pattern of nature to society as a societal goal -> elements that might be considered in this "persistence society" -> how one might implement this persistence society.

reply to post by capob


Actually that helped a lot, and I look forward to reading the material and then posting again. Thank you!

reply to post by capob


skimmed a bit through, i think you did an amazing job of analyzing the important factors in people, institutions,governments, fairness, life.... its very rational and logic,,, ive read things like platos republic and walden and some other ideological viewpoints on these topics and i think yours is very nice... its not too often societies dramatically change, or i guess it is just hard to feel that change living in one day to day,, so its kind of like a slow race with nations set in place, and churning of lives to produce commerce, economy, and government,, everyone minding their own lives and happiness,.. what im saying is it would be hard to implement your plans... do you think if you were able to buy a country in the modern world, and set it up by your rule, and invited anyone who wanted to join, there would be flocks of people? or would you have a process of choosing people? im sorry if you answered these questions in your book and i didnt see...... what would you base the economy on? would you use high or low taxation, and how would you prioritize govt programs? would you have big or small defense/budget?

reply to post by ImaFungi


Some of this I did answer; some answers more direct than others; but, I will address some of the things I did not address in the article.

"do you think if you were able to buy a country in the modern world, and set it up by your rule, and invited anyone who wanted to join, there would be flocks of people? "
Going on the idea that buying a country were actually possible, it would be the first step to establish the persistence society with the people of that country before entertaining the idea of gaining citizens. And, this would be a matter of setting up a strong base of morals, some constituting documents (as I go into in the paper), a strong agricultural and health base, a strong baseline education, and a system for collecting and counting votes.

One would hope this first step could be funded with the wealth present in the land of the country and in the voluntary labor of the people of the country - the people that were so inclined to accept a persistence society might be also inclined to work towards its implementation.

"there would be flocks of people?"
Well, the issue here is a matter of what I call the MAPP (selfish) goal. Most people will not simply leave their country on the idea that they would be helping a society; instead, they would need an immediate benefit to themselves or their family. So, I don't think there would be a flock at first. Potentially if the society were successful, but the idea is that the citizenry must agree to the persistence society. I have an article on this in the paper called something like Quality of Citizenry. And, those inclined to enter a society just for MAPP goals tend not to be the type of citizenry I would ccare to have.

"what would you base the economy on?"
I have a article called "money" in the paper and I think this address that to an extent. Essentially, where resources go is a matter of both the free market and direct votes. And, direct votes and yield taxes on all or a subgroup. And, the idea that a subgroup might be unjustly taxes falls in the area of the tax being unaligned with the morals of the persistence society - which would be stated in the constituting documents.

"would you use high or low taxation, and how would you prioritize govt programs?"
Taxation would be a direct reflection of the power of taxation (how much, by who, and from who) given to a gov org by direct vote, and could be subsequently removed by a direct vote. See my article on voting. As such, overall taxation would be a matter of how many services the gov provided and for who they were provided and who was taxed for those services. And, the number of government services depends, among other things, on the number of situations where the society benefits from having economies of scale provided by gov.

"would you have big or small defense/budget? "
I would imagine the defense budget would be in proportion to the threat. And, given that this would be a small island, there are certainly threats which are impractical to defend against; so, I would say the defense budget would be small, but you should know, the defense budget would not be a result of a government decision, but a direct vote by the citizenry.

reply to post by capob


thanks for answering!


would there be any long term purpose or goal of your country? perhaps that would lead to a prioritizing of kinds of jobs, and a defined are of culture and what your citizens would desiree to do with their free time,,, what im asking is, is there a national purpose or is the goal just to eat and reproduce and have everyone able to do this and the more efficient this is done the more money made to spend on the nation and people will have healthy happy lives.

reply to post by ImaFungi

"would there be any long term purpose or goal of your country?"
Yes; in fact, a goal, with subgoals, is the basis of this envisioned society. See
persistencesociety.com...-part3-persistence
and
persistencesociety.com...-part3-persistenceSocietyGoal

"what im asking is, is there a national purpose or is the goal just to eat and reproduce and have everyone able to do this and the more efficient this is done the more money made to spend on the nation and people will have healthy happy lives. "
The society you seem to be describing in these lines is a society built on the purpose of a sort of "greatest good" for the members. However, I sort of explain the difficult of defining such in this article:

persistencesociety.com...-ifNotPersistence

Probably should have included this from the start, but here are quotes from the intro parts:

===What is this Paper?===

Shortly, this is about:

How the mind works
How morals are created
How and why societies are created
The pattern of nature, and how it has resulted in most of what we see today
Applying that pattern of nature to the goal of a society; forming "persistence society"
Elements that need to be considered for the success of a persistence society
How one might implement this persistence society

Further, this paper is my encouraging of others to start thinking about societal systems; that is, encouraging others to start coming up with solutions instead of using old and flawed answers. It is an establishment of a base from which we can start building models for society. It is proposition for a model of society. And, finally, it is a tool to gather likeminded people who might help in the quest for a better society.


===Why a Persistence Society?===

In short, because it is the best type of society I can come up with. The effects that I imagine would stem from a persistence society when compared to other societal models might include:

Highest level of employement for anyone wanting employment
Greatest percentage of healthly individuals
Lowest level of corruption
Highest level of happiness
Highest level of baseline intelligence among the citizenry
The greatest rate of technological advancement relative to resources

If you want to know how all this is achieved, read the paper.



Also, here is a link that updates whenever the version of the paper updates:

persistencesociety.com...