Yes We (still) Can?

reply to post by SaturnFX


We can’t afford 4 more years of Obama. Spending has dramatically increased under his watch.



A big portion went to healthcare spending.



Do you have kids?? If so, Obama is piling up debt for your kids. Is that the legacy you want? How will you look them in the eyes and explain your vote for 8 years of Obama; the man who ran up more debt that all previous presidents combined??

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
OOO did you hear

the deficit last year was in the neighborhood of 5 Trillion dollars

WAY off the "official" report that was released

here's the source!

source

I did read the Constitution, which states that The house of representatives controls
Spending.

And the liabilities have been left out of national dept tallies for years.
The point is moot

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

We can’t afford 4 more years of Obama. Spending has dramatically increased under his watch.

A big portion went to healthcare spending.

Do you have kids?? If so, Obama is piling up debt for your kids. Is that the legacy you want? How will you look them in the eyes and explain your vote for 8 years of Obama; the man who ran up more debt that all previous presidents combined??

Did you read your Constitution???

The president does not control spending,

Main article: Enumerated powers
Congress's powers are enumerated in Section Eight:

The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence[note 1]and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

I hope this assassination czar picks up some steam

that would hit Obama pretty hard at the polls too

He's crashing and burning... Everyday its something else; he's losing control, everyone except sees it...

Instead they try to say the republican party is falling apart.... hahaha that's hilarious... considering not one democrat voted for Obama's budget

How is that in control????

reply to post by Beanskinner

Did you read your Constitution???

The president does not control spending,

The policies Obama pushed resulted in the spending. You can try to deflect blame from your hero all you’d like but the man in charge takes the blame. He signed all of the spending bills!

Besides, you’re intentionally ignoring the fact that Obama had a rubber stamp during his first 2 years in office (which is when he pushed through his big spending policies) because his party controlled both houses of congress so don’t give me that BS that Obama’s not to blame.

Nice try…

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

We can’t afford 4 more years of Obama. Spending has dramatically increased under his watch.

A big portion went to healthcare spending.

Do you have kids?? If so, Obama is piling up debt for your kids. Is that the legacy you want? How will you look them in the eyes and explain your vote for 8 years of Obama; the man who ran up more debt that all previous presidents combined??

We cannot afford republicans anymore.
Romney tax plan would balloon deficit

Reuters) - Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney's tax plan would cut revenues and increase the government's budget deficit, while benefiting wealthy taxpayers more than others, said a report from a nonpartisan think tank released on Thursday.

Math...its like kryptonite to neocons

reply to post by SaturnFX


Your graph is a MSM lie

Just saying we've gone over this for 20 pages... and yeah... yours makes NO sense to anyone except yourself...

considering Obama pulled out how much for the "stimulus" package(s) and his health care overhaul, plus his expansion of government plus everything else like his trips and dinners and giving money to his pals at the solar companies (where did that go?)

hmmm blame and deflect... Standard tactic

reply to post by SaturnFX

President Barack Obama signed into law March 11 a $410 billion omnibus spending bill that combined nine of the federal government’s 12 regular appropriations bill into a massive spending package to fund most federally assisted domestic programs for the remainder of Fiscal Year 2009, which ends on September 30.

Overall, the omnibus bill represents a $31 billion increase over last year’s funding level for programs funded by the nine bills, and $19 billion more than President Bush requested. Many local priorities benefited from the increase including community development block grants, Section 8 rental assistance, public housing, state and local law enforcement assistance, mass transit, Pell grants, children health insurance, nutritional support for women infants and children and the Head Start pre'school program.

link



Obama has spent the country into enormous debt and he WILL OWN HIS RECORD because people like me won’t let people forget it.

This wasteful bill was passed when Obama's party controlled the house, the senate and the white house, and Obama SIGNED and advocated for this bill!!! Explain that!!

Look what he signed in this BILL alone!!

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Beanskinner

 

Did you read your Constitution???

The president does not control spending,

The policies Obama pushed resulted in the spending. You can try to deflect blame from your hero all you’d like but the man in charge takes the blame. He signed all of the spending bills!

Besides, you’re intentionally ignoring the fact that Obama had a rubber stamp during his first 2 years in office (which is when he pushed through his big spending policies) because his party controlled both houses of congress so don’t give me that BS that Obama’s not to blame.

Nice try…

edit on 24-5-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Your intentionally ignoring the constitution so you can set forth your narrative

Originally posted by Beanskinner

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by seabag
This chart is much better!

It clearly shows that job growth died when Obama was elected. Everyone in business understood the ramifications of electing a big government socialist and Obama's election brought growth to a stand still.

Your ability to read charts
is like my ability to give birth.

I did not believe America is this sick or uneducated.
Because either these people are just liars, or they
Did not go to second grade? Is this new??? I just
Joined and it seems to be common place to be sort
Of off...

Its a football game overall
People have teams and cheer..even cheer when a clearly bad call was made that benefits their team...
Why team? who knows..parents followed them, therefore they follow them.

Some people on both sides are thoughtful, have wisdom in their words, and are motivated by either an idealistic view, or a simple mathmatical understanding...these people will counter actual evidence with an ideal that actually is relevant.
For instance:
Conservative John acknowledges that the governments big program to build a mega pyramid has created millions of jobs and people are generally happy with their pyramid building..however, he disagrees with this on principle, stating the government is not there to establish vast amounts of jobs for people, to do that, they have to increase taxes tremendously to begin with (to pay all the pyramid workers), and it overall retards the growth of permanent jobs in the private sector.
So, in these types of cases...yes, the dicussion can be had and ideals can be exchanged on a coherent level outside of what the benefits are showing for the current day.

Then you got the cheerleaders whom don't have as deep a thought on the situation whom will be deceptive, hide details, ignore, etc...simply because that is how they are programmed.

Of course, the programmed ones are much louder than the thoughtful ones.


Incidently, same goes for the other side...but personally I think the programmed liberals are quieter in general...not sure why. I think there is a subtle method of liberals..let the rocks bang together loudly...the soft water undercurrent will eventually wear them away anyhow.

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Your graph is a MSM lie

Just saying

we've gone over this for 20 pages... and yeah... yours makes NO sense to anyone except yourself...

considering Obama pulled out how much for the "stimulus" package(s) and his health care overhaul, plus his expansion of government plus everything else like his trips and dinners and giving money to his pals at the solar companies (where did that go?)

hmmm blame and deflect... Standard tactic

edit on 24-5-2012 by DrNotforhire because: (no reason given)

Yeah, the truth doesn't work.

No problem: Deflect - Divert - Divide

Obama has added $5 Trillion to the National Debt.

It was not an accident.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

We can’t afford 4 more years of Obama. Spending has dramatically increased under his watch.

A big portion went to healthcare spending.

Do you have kids?? If so, Obama is piling up debt for your kids. Is that the legacy you want? How will you look them in the eyes and explain your vote for 8 years of Obama; the man who ran up more debt that all previous presidents combined??

We cannot afford republicans anymore.
Romney tax plan would balloon deficit

Reuters) - Presidential hopeful Mitt Romney's tax plan would cut revenues and increase the government's budget deficit, while benefiting wealthy taxpayers more than others, said a report from a nonpartisan think tank released on Thursday.

Math...its like kryptonite to neocons

So is thought, these neocons are big time liars!

Originally posted by Eurisko2012

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Your graph is a MSM lie

Just saying

we've gone over this for 20 pages... and yeah... yours makes NO sense to anyone except yourself...

considering Obama pulled out how much for the "stimulus" package(s) and his health care overhaul, plus his expansion of government plus everything else like his trips and dinners and giving money to his pals at the solar companies (where did that go?)

hmmm blame and deflect... Standard tactic

edit on 24-5-2012 by DrNotforhire because: (no reason given)

Yeah, the truth doesn't work.

No problem: Deflect - Divert - Divide

edit on 24-5-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)

It seems like you are telling us your strategy - you guys are very
Dishonest.

Originally posted by Beanskinner

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Beanskinner

 

Did you read your Constitution???

The president does not control spending,

The policies Obama pushed resulted in the spending. You can try to deflect blame from your hero all you’d like but the man in charge takes the blame. He signed all of the spending bills!

Besides, you’re intentionally ignoring the fact that Obama had a rubber stamp during his first 2 years in office (which is when he pushed through his big spending policies) because his party controlled both houses of congress so don’t give me that BS that Obama’s not to blame.

Nice try…

edit on 24-5-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Your intentionally ignoring the constitution so you can set forth your narrative

Excuse me!

Did the POTUS sign all of these spending bills??

Could he have vetoed them??

a. The vested power or constitutional right of one branch or department of government to refuse approval of measures proposed by another department, especially the power of a chief executive to reject a bill passed by the legislature and thus prevent or delay its enactment into law.

link

Originally posted by DrNotforhire
yours makes NO sense to anyone except yourself...

Well, me, economists, the msm, and about 54% of the united states voting base..

I am comfortable with that.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Bush isn't running!!

Give it up already showing stats on Bush!

reply to post by Beanskinner


CBS reported in March 2012 that:

Bush added $4.899 trillion in 8 years

Obama has added $4.939 trillion since he took office.

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Do neocons work at CBS?

The Gross Debt to GDP chart is more revealing and less deceptive than liberal

troll graphs.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Beanskinner

 

CBS reported in March 2012 that:

Bush added $4.899 trillion in 8 years

Obama has added $4.939 trillion since he took office.

--------
Do neocons work at CBS?

The Gross Debt to GDP chart is more revealing and less deceptive than liberal

troll graphs.

edit on 24-5-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)

wait.... 8 Years is more than 3.5 years right???

I get those confused

Also, yeah the whole Bush tactic stopped working to me in 2009... It's no longer relevant

Originally posted by DrNotforhire

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Beanskinner

 

CBS reported in March 2012 that:

Bush added $4.899 trillion in 8 years

Obama has added $4.939 trillion since he took office.

--------
Do neocons work at CBS?

The Gross Debt to GDP chart is more revealing and less deceptive than liberal

troll graphs.

edit on 24-5-2012 by Eurisko2012 because: (no reason given)

wait.... 8 Years is more than 3.5 years right???

I get those confused

Also, yeah the whole Bush tactic stopped working to me in 2009... It's no longer relevant

Here is an honest graph that reveals that the GDP grew but not fast enough to keep

up with big spender Obama.

Originally posted by Eurisko2012
reply to post by Beanskinner

 

CBS reported in March 2012 that:

Bush added $4.899 trillion in 8 years

Obama has added $4.939 trillion since he took office.

Reminds me of an old story I just made up.

I was once renting a place with a flatmate.
He noticed how I was paying rent and said it was a bit pricy..so I bought a dog
He then complained that the dog is costing money to feed that we didn't have.

So I broke the window, flooded the living room carpet, and moved out.

I went back a month later and laughed at him
not only did he pay the rent, but he also fed the dog, fixed the window, and replaced the carpet..he spent more that month than I did in several months...pfft..and he claimed I was spending too much.




moral of the story: your actions have consequence. fixing stuff costs more than when you were breaking it to begin with.