Sick reading about how times are changing and something big is going to happen...

What's going on? Over the last few days a few top threads have been about jobs, there are jobs, there aren't jobs...I contributed to a few of these threads.

The world is changing all the time as are peoples attitudes, we seem te be getting more and more selfish as if we're entitled to have everything we want. Most people aspire to accumulate wealth and material posessions.

I think things are changing, for the worse...to me societly is a compromise, what's the alternative, exactly?

Who cares if there are a global elite with dreams of a new world order...why is it bad? It's probably far easier to get by now than it was a century or two ago, isn't it called progress? Yet people act like they're so hard done by when they've plenty of oppertunities if only they'd stop fighting...what's the alternative?

Let's revert back a few centuries, do away with global economy, law and order - we can hunt for animals and live off the land, oh yes, savagery and anarchy would be so much better...as if that'd be easier and better than the world we live in today. All I see are people making comments about how things are going to change, people are waking up...to what? Instead of whining about how hard done by we are we should think about those countries that are in absolute turmoil and think ourselves damn lucky.

And if they people are waking up, what exactly are they doing? What can you do? Refuse to work and be part of a society - hence as to why it's failing, being born doesn't entitle us to anything more than anyone else - the strongest survive and it's the "people"...the oh-so-poor, oppressed, supposed "slaves to the system" that step over each other in order to get ahead in this world.

Are people wasting time fighting a system that they will never win? Who benefits from that, exactly? It's sad the way things are going, sure - a lot of horrible things are going on in the world - they always have...I just don't see how any of this talk of change and uprising is helping or ever will. Nobody is doing anything, I don't think anyone can do anything to change the world.

I just don't get it...even if there was some sinister elite pulling the strings and manipulating the "sheeple", who's doing anything about it? What can be done? What would be the outcome if the people fought the elite and won...would it be any better? Probably not, because there will always be people who think they deserve more than everyone else and will do whatever they have to in order to get what they want, be it cheat, steal or kill.

Someone, please explain to me what this is all about as I'm kinda tired hearing about it. I suppose this makes me a sheep and a shill...who cares, I have a job I enjoy, some decent, freinds, a good family and a comfortable life, I could spend it worrying about a sistuation I will never be able to change as an individual, all I can do is make the most of the card I've been dealt.

I read what you wrote. Twice. And honestly, I feel you. I went through that stage where you are at. You know things are bound to get worse before they get better and you are fortunate enough to see that. You know things are bad. You're scared. And it's okay to be scared. Now holler back when you lose a little of that cushion you have right now keeping you comfy and you get to the IDGAF stage. I really don't give a screw if this whole mess goes tits up tomorrow, and I know many say that, but I truly mean it and I know plenty feel the same way. Naturally I will do what I must to survive, and I assure you that I have no death wish sir, I just see nothing ahead but dismal bleakness. Just a void of nebulous, neverending complete bull hockey that I quite frankly can't be arsed to give half a squat about. It's all bull. All of it. Just think about it all. Look at your TV. Look at your on-line garbage adverts that bogart the bandwidth. "They" want you to buy their crap, don't think and stay stupid. "They" want a slave society and they have it, otherwise, there would be REAL education and knowledge freely available. Nope, that's hidden. This life *could've* been wonderful for the vast majority of us, but the unseen power hungry, greedy "elite" have ruined that. Now the only thing that is going to inevitably happen is the collapse of the Great Empire, and the eventual redistribution of "da power". Like a wheel, it all goes round and round, through history, the same song. You guys battle it out. I'm just watching the show. Don't care...

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So, having our liberties taken away is progress? Being told that we are subversive just because we don't agree with THE MAN is progress? The average citizen being recorded over 200 times every day is progress? Drones flying over American cities is progress?

Is detainment with out a court trial progress? I'm not sure what your definition of progress is.

I gave up on things like television a long time ago, try not to be conned into buying into social pressures, etc. I see people out there who buy the latest in phones, fashions, they struggle to live but it's necessary to appear up to date with the latest trends. I ain't into it, also don't wear clothing with logo's as I refuse to be a walking billboard - but it ain't any global elite that create this social pressure, it's people plain and simple, they equate posessions with success.

Secondly, I, personally haven't lost any liberties that I;'m aware of, like what? Give me an example? I might have to abide by certain rules, but so what...why should I or anyone for that matter be able to stamp through life doing as I like, regardless of how it might affect others? What if someone taking advantage of their so-called liberties does something that I dislike? If everyone got their way in a functioning society it would be chaos...it'd break down in no time and result in complete anarchy, no?

I don't feel I've lost any liberties...like what? Everything I want to do I'm able to do, you tell me what liberties I've lost.

Also...why do people care about CCTV? Presumably if you get robbed in front of a CCTV camera you won't expect the authorities to use the evidence recorded by the device, since you have a problem with them?

I know for a fact...that muggings and street robberies here in the UK in large cities like London and Edinburgh are a lot lower than they were maybe 10 or 15 years ago...why you worried about being recorded if you've nothing to hide? More insane paranoia...yes that IS progress, it makes it harder for those very people to commit crimes - me, personally...I've nothing to hide, why should I care if i happen to walk in front of a camera?

Originally posted by samerulesapply
I gave up on things like television a long time ago, try not to be conned into buying into social pressures, etc. I see people out there who buy the latest in phones, fashions, they struggle to live but it's necessary to appear up to date with the latest trends. I ain't into it, also don't wear clothing with logo's as I refuse to be a walking billboard - but it ain't any global elite that create this social pressure, it's people plain and simple, they equate posessions with success.

You got that right. The part about people equating possessions with success. But let's dig deeper. Who gives these impressionable idiots role models (Hollywood, Kim K, Housewives of BipBap Egypt, etc) living these opulent lives? Who peddles this nonsense LIE as life? Who screams subliminally and overtly that you NEEEED our crap? Yeah, the people who buy into the farce are dumb and no one should pity them, especially if they are living above their means, swimming in debt, but are still trying to cop the latest iPhone and all the crap their TV idol bimbo has. I see people in worse $$ straits than me with boats, Gucci and Prada bags, Manolo shoes, you name it. Think of who peddles it. They run the world. And to quote Carlin, we ain't in the club.

reply to post by samerulesapply


It's called a civil society. Don't take my liberties and I won't take yours.

Its getting to the point where with so much suffocation of life and liberty that violent reactions will occur that wouldn't happen if people would just mind their own business.

Everytime I poke myself on my arm it hurts really bad........ STOP POKING IT THEN!

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If everyday was a sunny day then what would be a sunny day...... you have to have evil to have good.... hence Evil is Good

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Originally posted by samerulesapply

I know for a fact...that muggings and street robberies here in the UK in large cities like London and Edinburgh are a lot lower than they were maybe 10 or 15 years ago...

Do you have proof of this or is it just your opinion?


en.wikipedia.org...:LOndonRobbery.jpg

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Right...so then it's human nature that's flawed - where there are weaknesses there are always people there willing to exploit them - like a mugger might do in the avsence of a CCTV camera.

I don't think there's any major conspiracy to dupe themasses into becoming sheep, I think people in general are easily led, personally - I don't think I've ever been affected much by advertising as such, more peer pressure when I was younger, I remember wanting the clothes my friends wore as I didn't want to be the odd one out...as I got older I grew out of that and realised I was a walking advert.

Nut who is to blame, really...if people are blind and other people notice that, they will take advantage and get ahead in life, I don't think it's a conspiracy or can even be changed, as there will always be someone just as ruthless to step in and take over, it's human nature.

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It's a fact, the train stations around these cities in the early 90's were terrible for this sort of thing, it's not as common now as it used to be. I don't see or hear of half as many incidents, not just robberies but gang violence - are you actually attemptin to deny that CCTV is a deterrant for criminals?

I don't get why people care, like I said -if you ain't doing anything, not committing any crimes...why do you care about being filmed? It's not like they're broadcasting the footage 24/7...the point is if someone mugged me or worse I'd be quite happy if it were on camera if it helped in some way in catching the offender, who wouldn't? Itf it makes the streets safer for everyone...isn't that a good thing?

Other than that, being filmed by CCTV cameras means absolutely nothing to me...why should it? So someone can see my image on screen...woooooow! come on.

reply to post by samerulesapply


Suppose I want to pick my wedgie or fix my bra? Sure, it's not criminal, but wow. Gotta question WHY the nebulous 'they' needs to see what a great portion of society is doing in public. I can't come to the obvious conclusion for you.

Originally posted by HoppedUp

Originally posted by samerulesapply
I gave up on things like television a long time ago, try not to be conned into buying into social pressures, etc. I see people out there who buy the latest in phones, fashions, they struggle to live but it's necessary to appear up to date with the latest trends. I ain't into it, also don't wear clothing with logo's as I refuse to be a walking billboard - but it ain't any global elite that create this social pressure, it's people plain and simple, they equate posessions with success.

You got that right. The part about people equating possessions with success. But let's dig deeper. Who gives these impressionable idiots role models (Hollywood, Kim K, Housewives of BipBap Egypt, etc) living these opulent lives? Who peddles this nonsense LIE as life? Who screams subliminally and overtly that you NEEEED our crap? Yeah, the people who buy into the farce are dumb and no one should pity them, especially if they are living above their means, swimming in debt, but are still trying to cop the latest iPhone and all the crap their TV idol bimbo has. I see people in worse $$ straits than me with boats, Gucci and Prada bags, Manolo shoes, you name it. Think of who peddles it. They run the world. And to quote Carlin, we ain't in the club.

I can identify a little with being in "the club". As a child I was refused entry into my local neighborhood club. So when I got a little older I started my own club. Now they have to pay me to become a member. Sweet.

Originally posted by arbiture1200

Originally posted by HoppedUp

Originally posted by samerulesapply
I gave up on things like television a long time ago, try not to be conned into buying into social pressures, etc. I see people out there who buy the latest in phones, fashions, they struggle to live but it's necessary to appear up to date with the latest trends. I ain't into it, also don't wear clothing with logo's as I refuse to be a walking billboard - but it ain't any global elite that create this social pressure, it's people plain and simple, they equate posessions with success.

You got that right. The part about people equating possessions with success. But let's dig deeper. Who gives these impressionable idiots role models (Hollywood, Kim K, Housewives of BipBap Egypt, etc) living these opulent lives? Who peddles this nonsense LIE as life? Who screams subliminally and overtly that you NEEEED our crap? Yeah, the people who buy into the farce are dumb and no one should pity them, especially if they are living above their means, swimming in debt, but are still trying to cop the latest iPhone and all the crap their TV idol bimbo has. I see people in worse $$ straits than me with boats, Gucci and Prada bags, Manolo shoes, you name it. Think of who peddles it. They run the world. And to quote Carlin, we ain't in the club.

I can identify a little with being in "the club". As a child I was refused entry into my local neighborhood club. So when I got a little older I started my own club. Now they have to pay me to become a member. Sweet.

Do what you do. Be oblivious. Be a smart aleck. Mock me. I don't really care. It is what it is and it's in all of our faces. You ain't in THE club, but you may be a low level lackey enjoying the best crumbs off their table.

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Nobody needs to see anything...do people actually think someone sits and monitors all CCTV cameras, ogling the people as they pass by?

I've worked on a few premises where there are CCTV, in my current job there are cameras (I work in a train station), onlya handful of people, 2 or 3 are allowed and have been trained to use the system, I often pass the office where the motiros and system controls are kept and the office is almost always empty as the guys have other security related tasks to attend to.

They only ever go through the footage (it stores up to 28 days worth of footage from a number of cameras) is when something happens like a fight or a mugging or somethng, even then it's usually the police who come in asking to see footage of a certain incident. They've caught everything from muggers to rapists to violent thugs, you have to understand Edinburgh waverley and glasgow central are big stations, the towns are really wild especially at night on weekends, but not as bad as it was a good 15 years ago...when a lot of it was more gang and football related.

Incidents have declined because people know it's hard to get away with now, the police can go from premises to premises throughout the city centres and collect footage from many different systems and piece them together in order to track people down - after some of the things I've seen I'm glad it's there and feel safer when I'm out and about, especially late at night.

You know what, I guess it all comes down to either do something or get on with it...I still don't see anyone say what the alternatives are and to explain how it'd be better, seems people jsut want their own way, to be able to mould society and tailor it to their own specific wants and needs. Presumably in order to fight and beat the system people would have to unite, but before enough people could do so, the supposed powers that be would probably crush them....I see no fight against anything, just talk of it, it's imminent...thimes are a-changin!

Maybre a one world governemnt is the answer...maybe it's the division that's the cause of all the wars in the first place?

I still don't see what liberties I've lost, yet...is being filmed by CCTV one of them? I havn't lost anything at all in that regard, I've gained something that might benefit me in some respects...I'd only care about being filmed if I wanted to do something I probably shouldn't be doing...but I dion't...also, if you don't want people seeing you adjust a bra or whatever don't do it in public...

Originally posted by samerulesapply
reply to post by HoppedUp

 

Nobody needs to see anything...do people actually think someone sits and monitors all CCTV cameras, ogling the people as they pass by?

I've worked on a few premises where there are CCTV, in my current job there are cameras (I work in a train station), onlya handful of people, 2 or 3 are allowed and have been trained to use the system, I often pass the office where the motiros and system controls are kept and the office is almost always empty as the guys have other security related tasks to attend to.

They only ever go through the footage (it stores up to 28 days worth of footage from a number of cameras) is when something happens like a fight or a mugging or somethng, even then it's usually the police who come in asking to see footage of a certain incident. They've caught everything from muggers to rapists to violent thugs, you have to understand Edinburgh waverley and glasgow central are big stations, the towns are really wild especially at night on weekends, but not as bad as it was a good 15 years ago...when a lot of it was more gang and football related.

Incidents have declined because people know it's hard to get away with now, the police can go from premises to premises throughout the city centres and collect footage from many different systems and piece them together in order to track people down - after some of the things I've seen I'm glad it's there and feel safer when I'm out and about, especially late at night.

The link i provided you(which you will need to copy past to your browser) will show you that mugging rates in london at least,are higher than they were 15 years ago despite having 5 million CCTV cameras.So that blows your argument out of the water.

news.bbc.co.uk...


The "If you have nothing to hide" line has been discussed here many times and i believe it to be one of the most ignorant and misinformed statements of our day.Simply because the government cannot be trusted with your privacy they have proved that time and time again.If you give an inch on privacy they will take a mile.
If you have nothing to hide then maby you would allow a CCTV in your house? or maby your bathroom? Im sure there are some fat slimey pedo cops that would love to ogle your family?
No my friend CCTV doesnt lower crime rates, thats been proven.The same way that having the death penalty in certain countrys doesnt lower murder rates.
Wait until when they roll out G2 CCTV with facial recognition, then someday you ring your insurance company inquirng into why your life assurance rate has doubled and they tell you that you were spotted entering McDonalds 3 times last month...
That might sound funny but thats where this is heading.The government in Britain has already well established the fact that they want to control every aspect of our lives and they make laws daily that send us in that direction.

reply to post by HoppedUp


OK, just what did I say that got you so upset? I was telling the truth. I was not trying to debase what you said. It's just at the end of the day it's often in retrospect nice to be able to turn rejection into success. That way everyone wins. And one can win without standing on the backs of others. Pardon me for breathing.

reply to post by auraelium


I can assure you, I worked there, I currently work in glasgow and waverley, we used to have gangs of kids who seemed to never attend school - the same lottle groups of kids who for years were notorious...we knew their faces - it's a dying art and hardly ever happens any more - I don't care what bbc news says...I WORK there and have done for years.

The police are in wavery so often looking for information mostly looking to trace people involved in incidents that happened elsewhere, a few years ago most incidents were in the station, rival football fans rioting and fighting, kids being stabbed, stamped on, I've seen it all and see less and less of it and more convictions.

More people are being caught and punished for horrible crimes and yet you still continue...I still don't see why it's a loss of my liberty, please explain why? Why it'simportant to you that there's a camera?

You know I'd see the point if there were CCTV cameras being watching through peoples windows, but there aren't, not that I'm aware of.

People are so paranoid and think it's oh so sinister, orwellian - run for the hills, grab some supplies and a tin opener and the obligatory tin foil hat - there's a camra!

Like I said previously, in the premises I've worked nobody gave a damn about CCTV, nobody sat and watched it, only on the odd occasion when someone happened to be passing or sitting having a break in the office and saw something happen was it important, or if the cops come in asking them to look for someone.

If they start streaming the footage online 24/7 then sute, it's a bit sinister...but no, it only remains in the hard drive for a period of 28 days and is automatically overwritten. When people are trying to find something important on CCTV they don't care about mundane things like someone adjusting a bra...they have a purpose.

If it hadn't have been for CCTV the two boys who abducted and killed little James Bulger may never have been caught...the positives so outweight any negatives.

reply to post by samerulesapply


The problem is where it will lead to in the future,When they have all CCTV linked to AI super computers that chronicle every move you make every minute of every day.This video explains in a humourous way.what we are moving towards and this is even before u add next generation CCTV into the equation.



Now do you see the danger? Do you see where this is going?