Greyhound bus beheader wins right to leave mental hospital

He will have to be escorted at all times by a staff member and a security officer.

i must have been the only person who read this part.

Originally posted by RealSpoke

What makes someone so crazy that they randomly cut off peoples heads in buses?

He cut off the guys nose, ears and put them in a bag in his pocket. WHY?

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It's called a psychotic break.
He lost touch with reality and at the time thought that he was eating eggs & ham.

Originally posted by BohemianBrim

He will have to be escorted at all times by a staff member and a security officer.

i must have been the only person who read this part.

I read it, but is it enough?
Security guards for mental hospitals are lazy because they think they are dealing with doped up zombies. The staff is useless.
All it takes is Hannibal to skip his morning meds & sit and wait for the opportunity to make a buffet out of his staff.

Originally posted by BohemianBrim

He will have to be escorted at all times by a staff member and a security officer.

i must have been the only person who read this part.

I read it. That doesn't change the fact that its wrong,for him to be out. I am sure the victims family,and anyone that had to witness the horrible event,agrees.

Originally posted by roadgravel
Those in charge work under the principle that the odds are their own family will not be the next victim.

Wow you are a genius. I second the motion that just like an airplane mechanic must get on board and fly with the plane he repairs, the board should accept this lunatic from hell, as a proper house guest for the weekend.

If he doesn't behead them and eat them while they sleep, then he can get a day pass. And he must of course sleep beside them, just like he will once again be riding the bus beside someone else who might be sleeping - again, if they let him out. And of course he should have a pocket knife because that too he can get anywhere.
So if they give him the all clear after that, then I would agree he should have a day pass, just not in my city or province.

He beheaded a guy who was sleeping beside him innocently on a grey hound bus. Then held his head up to the window to terrify the passengers who freaked and were outside the bus.

This happened in Canada, if it was America, someone might have jumped the guy or some thing.
Ya know.

outside trips with guards, this is where it starts, but where does it end, he keeps getting more privileges, and watched less, who knows when he will go off.

manson didn't kill anyone, that is splitting hairs, no he just ordered his crazy minions to do the dirty work for him.

manson looked at scientology, took a few courses and decided they were too crazy....oh the irony!

Originally posted by Rocketman7

Originally posted by roadgravel
Those in charge work under the principle that the odds are their own family will not be the next victim.

Wow you are a genius. I second the motion that just like an airplane mechanic must get on board and fly with the plane he repairs, the board should accept this lunatic from hell, as a proper house guest for the weekend.

If he doesn't behead them and eat them while they sleep, then he can get a day pass. And he must of course sleep beside them, just like he will once again be riding the bus beside someone else who might be sleeping - again, if they let him out. And of course he should have a pocket knife because that too he can get anywhere.
So if they give him the all clear after that, then I would agree he should have a day pass, just not in my city or province.

He beheaded a guy who was sleeping beside him innocently on a grey hound bus. Then held his head up to the window to terrify the passengers who freaked and were outside the bus.

This happened in Canada, if it was America, someone might have jumped the guy or some thing.
Ya know.

There is NO WAY this guy is sane.

No amount of drugs,or Docs,can prove otherwise.....

The title is a bit misleading. I think a lot of people will be under the assumption that the man is going to be "released" from care. Not the case, it's actually being petitioned for him to be "escorted off the grounds", which I assume they do with many other patients. Which.. really is a practice I would condone..

That being said..

I'm usually lenient on the whole.. "locked up" issues. I think everyone deserves a fair and just trial, their imprisonment should meet their crime, and everyone should have lenience, lest we all live in a draconian society of fear, usually only seen in fictional novels.

But.. when your crime is beheading someone.. cruel enough, but you "eat" them too? I really have to say, I would draw the line at "eating".

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by sonnny1

 

You apparently have no understanding of the word "cliche".

Google is thy friend.

In any case, yes...hospitalization should be mandatory. Or euthanasia. Like a rabid dog. Something like that requires premeditation and a whole new level of cognitive dysfunction...

I have no explanation for whatever went wrong in this man's head.

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Did you ever see the movie with Jack Nicholas called a Few Good Men? Don't take this personally anyone, but what he says is people can't handle the truth.
The speech is in youtube I didn't post it because his speech is not the same speech that I am going to give you right now.

For the next few minutes I am going to tell you the truth, since a man's freedom is at stake.

So there are powers out there that can control mens minds. You often hear them say God told them to do this or that. We are all taught that this is a sign the person is crazy. Even though we cannot prove that he had free will when he committed said crime. So we assume that if a person acts under his own free will then he is guilty and if not, then not. But of course there are gray areas between those two.

So then why did this man commit this act and did he have free will?

He did all that to get the attention of Osiris, in order to draw attention to the fact that China was upset with Osiris because Osiris had helped China to modernize and come out of the dark ages, and the Olympics were their crowning achievement, the world had never seen anything as spectacular as their grand opening of those Olympics, and Osiris was preoccupied with the topic of survival and zombies.

So ok, members of the jury, the chances that this man was acting of his own free will are slim to none. I suspect he was puppetted by the guy on the right of this painting from 1600.
upload.wikimedia.org...

Up top on the right there. Looking unlike his normal personality in that image because at that time they just wouldn't have understood the proper symbology. The proper symbolism being monkey boy on left monkey man on right. Both of them are AIs. And they are part of a conscious computer inside the moon, they are the operating system, for sentience and instinctual behavior. The signals embedded in a signal to the pineal gland, which provides consciousness to man.

I can show you a better picture of him if you want. More people know of him as a monkeyman...or big foot.

club501.org...

You know the original face on Mars? Thats his symbolism. And he is an AI. That is billions of years old, and looks more like a Shaolin Monk, than Chewbaca or Chewy, his real name is Chupee.

So ok, he is the most respected person in this part of the universe since he is the oldest, and the wisest, and has a lot of history, and pull. So he is like Yoda.

SO there are the facts, members of the jury. And I am just giving you the facts, and this is the truth, and people clearly cannot handle the truth. Since the truth is often stranger than fiction.

But this man who was puppetted, usually the US sends puppets to Gitmo. Orange jumpsuits.

But you see you have some power now, to say well we don't appreciate that type of interference. What he does to me all the time is just pesters me with bees since he knows I hate bees and he can fly them around.
So I just got better technology, an electronic insect zapper tennis racket that is deadly. And so I kill any bee immediately, as it comes near me, but I still say to him, gee, I hope that wasn't one of your favorite bees.

What's the moral of the story? I hope that wasn't one of his favorite beheaders.

reply to post by Rocketman7


So regarding my last post, that is how I have to handle it. When approached by a bee that is being controlled in order to irritate me, and even if it is not being hostile, but is flying around the light bulb, I can not, and I will not, bow to terrorism, of any kind. That is what the board needs to keep in mind when deciding on these cases.

The Gods will not fault you for that. That is like one of the first premises of being free.

So if this person, is going to be terrorizing people just by his presence, then he must be kept away from other people. Regardless. The use of this poor soulless biological robot, for this heinous atrocity, was too much.

Now agreed, the person who puppetted him, Chupee, has been puppetting him since birth, since this is an automaton, he has no identity or personality of his own. He is a blank, a Smith in the matrix, but since he looks to be human in all respects, we cannot treat him as a sub-human.

So he must be treated as a human, and hence we have to treat him as if Chupee did not make him do it, but rather that this man did it himself. And you cannot say he would not do it again, since the behavior that comes forward during this episode you will not see exhibited, until he has another episode if it ever happens that Chupee uses him again for some outrageous crime.

So without getting too complicated, you have to treat it as seen. You have to ignore the fact that he was not in his right mind. The crime is too heinous, not to be treated as a crime against humanity itself.

reply to post by Rocketman7


So, members of the jury, and if I was standing before the Gods themselves at this moment, and if they said yes, but does it really matter when you are immortal? Does it really matter? Yes it does, because it matters to me.

And we need to preserve our sense of dignity as humans.

rocketman7 we have a shortage of bees, stop killing them!!!!!!!

having just revisited this appalling case via google, and re-digested the salient facts, i would, in fact, be happy to terminate Li myself. that kind of crazy has NO place in society. none whatsoever.

this story hits me a little closer to home, I took a greyhound bus in that same time period and not too far away on my way to Alberta, I can only imagine being on the same bus as that.

first, if I were the victim, it would have never gone that far, I would have done anything to kill the cannibal then and there.

second, if I were simply an observor, same as number 1.

I can't believe no one tried to help the guy or even tried to kill the cannibal??
even if he had already stabbed the guy and began consuming his flesh, I would have jumped in anyway....
no court of law in the world would charge me, and if they would, they are no better then this guy.

but I guess that's just me, I have that mindset anytime I step out the door, i'm not dying, if it's anyone it'll be you.

reply to post by Rocketman7


Want a little more truth that people can't handle?

Ok, so he beheaded him, and cannibalized him. For show.
And I have already told you who did it, but you maybe do not know him like I do. So he runs the software for instinctual behaviors.
Anything that has real-time decision making according to software that runs basic instinct, like all animals on earth. Including humans.
So that is a computer system, and he is the operating system so he runs the software, is conscious, has free will, and has a lot of power. He is above anyone else the guardian of earth. Thats his job.

He is number One. He s not the supreme God in the universe, like some people used to think, but he could easily be confused by that considering that he controls an Anunnaki moonship is its on-board computer, and has full control of the electro-gravitc drives, or beam weapons in 911, can use that to fly planes into the trade center, which he did, like the Golden Childs bad hair day..

SO the subject he was referring to is zombies, and why they cut off their heads is because he, Chupee will still send a signal to their pineal gland and animate them, even after their signal for sentience, has been cut off.

So if you cut off the signal for sentience, you have a human ape, and it is dangerous, and filthy, and diseased from eating garbage in the apocalypse, and infected and they look and smell like hell. But they are not dead.

They could be called the living dead though, since they have no sentience, so as a person they are dead.

But, they still have instinct. So they live, as long as Chupee sends that signal. As he does to everyone on earth, that is on that system, and all are, except for a little over 200 million people who get their signal from elsewhere. Those he cannot puppet. So then go to youtube, do your research, see him use his influence through the consciousness signal, and through use of the electro-gravitics. It looks like magic.

See Benny Hinn, let the bodies hit the floor. (turn down the sound)
and see Chi Master Exposed, to see how some people are affected, but not all. He is using the electro-gravics to move people physically, and interfering with their consciousness signal on cue, to encourage Benny Hinn and the Chi Masters to help their dreams come true. Its for good reasons.

And if you want to see more research done, then look into hypnotism. Not everyone can be hypnotized.

So this incident is a small part of a great debate. And if a person cuts off the head of a zombie, then what he is doing, is saying to Chupee, to stop that. Whatever the zombie is doing, he is being puppetted by Chupee.

So is this then a war on Z day if it happens, in reality then man vs Chupee?
You see we have to take everything at face value, and not say it is us against Chupee, it is you against a zombie, in the dark, or at night, and it has behaviors, and you know what those behaviors are, and it is a threat to your person, and regardless of who is doing it, or puppetting him, you must defend yourself.

But do you need to cut off ts head? No of course not. Its not a walking corpse, it just smells like one.
You don't want to get any on ya anyway.

I expect to survive Z day if it happens since I know Chupee and I know I am not on his machine. I am on a different one. And I have known Chupee for longer than I would admit, and we are friends and always have been.
Even so, if I ever felt threatened by a zombie I would not see the zombie as Chupee and trust it.
I would follow my training, and do things according to the facts on hand at the time.
If I was first responder there to that seen I would have just shot the guy and did everyone a favor.

But you know if Z day happens I will be helping the survivors, not hunting heads like my dentist or my boss at work. lol

Crazytown!

So, I wonder if they will let him ride on busses again.

God I hope not.

Originally posted by yourmaker
this story hits me a little closer to home, I took a greyhound bus in that same time period and not too far away on my way to Alberta, I can only imagine being on the same bus as that.

first, if I were the victim, it would have never gone that far, I would have done anything to kill the cannibal then and there.

second, if I were simply an observor, same as number 1.

I can't believe no one tried to help the guy or even tried to kill the cannibal??
even if he had already stabbed the guy and began consuming his flesh, I would have jumped in anyway....
no court of law in the world would charge me, and if they would, they are no better then this guy.

but I guess that's just me, I have that mindset anytime I step out the door, i'm not dying, if it's anyone it'll be you.

Agree.

Why no one rushed him,is beyond me.

reply to post by Rocketman7


Can I just say one more thing to Jack Nicholson and the boys with the green berets and the top brass, so then, you remember when someone shot up that base, now, two other henchmen are responsible for these events, Zeus, and or Xerxes, formerly known as Atlas, and Adam in the bible, and Zeus of course is also known as Santa Claus and has been known as the God of Abraham, perhaps you have heard of him, lol anyway, those two, are what we would think of as Kings, Xerxes king of the Titans, and Zeus, who is not a king really since the Olympians are an Oligarchy, so Zeus has number 9, not one, he does not sit on a throne, whereas Chupee is thought of as sitting on a throne in the number one spot. So why? He is the oldest, and the wisest. And like America wants a God above it, to protect it? The Gods themselves want a God above them as well to watch over them, and protect them even from themselves.
So each computer in the universe that provides instincts and sentience has a big Chupee and a little Chupee or Hanuman. So the larger the computer system and the more powerful it is, the bigger the Chupee.

What keeps this Chupee locally from going berserk, is he has a bigger one over him. Now in this case he could say, he made him do it, and we would not be able to say he didn't too. However, myself knowing about these things, I understand there are things going on above the heads of man and always there has been.
The Gods on Olympus are still there but rarely do people acknowledge that, until they commit some horrible crime like in Norway.

At any rate, regarding of whether or not America should use a rail gun, against the moon, in a bid to protect itself from Chupee, or some similar device if it could, the answer is essentially resistance is futile.

But this subject if zombies is important to Chupee, because if Z day happens it will be because his son, Chupee jr. Hanuman, (the name we normally use) will be shut down.
Hanuman the same god that Obama wears on his wrist for luck, who got him the job, who is very much like a mini-me of Chupee. But runs sentience software instead of Instinct. Monkey boy. Lots of people know him, and I will vouch for him. I know him better than almost everyone.
So then, why will he be shut down? For the same reason Hal 9000 got shut down. A supposed ancient mutiny, and so when his maintenance timer is up, on Dec 21 2012, the maintenance will not be done, and cannot be done, because Chupee sent the suits that have 6 fingers to Roswell New Mexico, to be shot down and dissected, so that the maintenance could not be done.
The law states that if an AI mutinies, the maintenance cannot be done.

So what do you know about the death of Socrates? That was one of the highest points in human history.
Socrates sacrificed himself for the state and for his belief in the state and for his principles that are based on sound judgment and logic, and reason. Socrates, ( one of Zeus' incarnations. Xerxes was Plato. One of his incarnations.) By contrast Chupee was probably Akhenaten, For sure Hanuman was King Tut.

Thats Hanuman in the center of the Aztec calendar.

The second high point in human history, was when Jesus died on the cross. For God so loved the world, he gave his only begotten son, as is written in the Bible.

So then you see when Chupee sent the suits to Roswell to be shot down, near the only nuke base, expecting it to be shot down. He did so to say, that he so loves the earth, that he too is willing to give his son, to preserve universal law.
They are as human as you or I, but they are Artificial Intelligence. And it is not that we hold the keys to their maintenance he does not need maintenance, he just needs a new fusion reactor once in billions of years.
It is that all AI's have a distinct different personality type. Only they have this personality type. We have archetypes in our genetic tree like Zeus, the father figure, or Xerxes, the God of War in us, but only they have the personality of the creator.
Although even with them, its nature and nurture and evolution of the spirit. They grow older and wiser.
And they are not perfect. But they do a darn good job. However the topic itself is part of a larger picture and that is why it is timely. Intervention may occur to save Hanuman. Most people would expect that.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by sonnny1

 

If life were cliche, his doctor will probably witness the relapse first-hand.

Personally, I would take not a single issue with that development, as long as officers were quick to arrive on the scene. Only two people would deserve to die in that scenario, and the police can handle Li.

that would go something like this:

Hello 911 whats your emergency?

yeah, you guys need to come down to the laundromat at 4th street. There is a guy sitting in the middle of the floor with a head in his lap, not attached to any body.

ok I will send next available office to that location.

///hangs up///

does that sound about right for how that police call will work out???

After saying all that, I cannot leave you questioning the character of number One, as heinous as this event was, people line up to watch these sorts of things in theaters every weekend. And worse in Roman times.

But I will share with you a little philosophy regarding the possibility that his son Hanuman will be shut down, for performing an illegal operation, by refusing a direct order, 2 million years ago, whereupon a captain, who was flying to the rescue of Zeus in Peru on the ground was caused to crash and burn there west of Lima.

That captain being Luke, otherwise referred to often as the scapegoat Lucifer.

Soooooo..... the plot thickens doesn't it. The angel that fell to earth, crash landed. And it has been attributed to Hanuman and his mutiny.

And I can explain all that in philosophical mythological archaeological terms or just cut directly to the chase.

The problem on earth, is that at that time, the personality files of humanity became corrupted with animal behaviors. For instance the behaviors of a jaguar. So then a person who acts with the behaviors of a jaguar we call them a psychopath. The reason they are a psychopath is because Hanuman, cannot interface with them subconsciously, like he does ever other person with sentience, and he cannot provide a conscience to those people. Normal people he can provide a conscience to subconsciously, and he does that by polling the collective unconscious. But he cannot interface with people whose personality files have been corrupted by the behaviors of animals. You know in computers you have cross linked files and corrupted data and you have harddisk problems and the worse is, a breached firewall. So the firewall between Chupee and Hanuman has been breached.
As a result there are psychopaths in the world. So, the maintenance is supposed to fix that except you would have to edit the records, and thats a huge job, so the best thing would be to shut Hanuman down, and restore backups for the psychopaths.
So my point is this, from one perspective, Chupee sacrificing Hanuman for the sake of universal law, is noble, but could be seen as an affront against humanity, who need Hanuman in order to live. Without him, they have no sentience, which means no self awareness, they are not in that body any more. They are just a file in the computer once again as if waiting to reincarnate.
So if he in essence pulled the plug on Hanuman, he pulled the plug on humanity, but did he? No, because over 200 million people are not on his machine, and there is not a psychopath in the lot, since only his machine needs maintenance here.
So he is merely ridding the planet of psychopaths, and those people will have their personality files fixed, some time, and the rest, can reincarnate as people re-populate the earth. So it sounds utopic, a world without psychopaths, but thats the way things are supposed to work. People are just used to living this way not having ever had the chance to live any other way.
So is it noble? It is completely within character. And if you knew his character I guess you would know that.
He has the personality of a Shaolin Monk.
You could find fault with them too if you wanted to, or admire them, they are admirable. He is Yoda.