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Originally posted by esdad71
reply to post by exponent
You two should give these guys a call for data...
www.purdue.edu...
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
You are LATE.
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psik
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
You are LATE.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
psik
Hello psikey. Have you added a gravity stage to your model yet? Have you figured out what caused inward bowing before collapse? Have you learned how to construct edge cases?
I'm waiting for so many answers off you, but all you can do is snort and pretend you've already answered them all.
Why is it so hard? Surely if it's as simple as you make out you can answer my questions quickly and succinctly. All I ever hear you doing though is repeating your mantra over and over and over
"HOW MANY TONS OF STEEL AND TONS OF CONCRETE"
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Are you implying that skyscrapers do not have be strong enough to hold up their own weight and that the Physics Profession should not have been demanding that information TEN YEARS AGO? That is the scientific travesty of 9/11. The refusal to solve a simple problem.
Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Are you implying that skyscrapers do not have be strong enough to hold up their own weight and that the Physics Profession should not have been demanding that information TEN YEARS AGO? That is the scientific travesty of 9/11. The refusal to solve a simple problem.
Are you suggesting that a damaged and burning building cannot collapse because it held itself up before it was damaged and burning?
Are you serious?
Originally posted by huh2142
reply to post by psikeyhackr
It appears that you understand that different buildings are built differently. However, you do not understand the design differences of the Twin Towers and the consequences of its design on its survivability.
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Originally posted by huh2142
reply to post by psikeyhackr
It appears that you understand that different buildings are built differently. However, you do not understand the design differences of the Twin Towers and the consequences of its design on its survivability.
The people who have chosen to BELIEVE that the airliner impacts and resulting fires could totally destroy the towers must come up with some kind of rationalizations for their BELIEF. The tube-in-tube design of the towers was a change in the horizontal distribution of the steel compared to a conventional design. But not necessarily a change in the vertical distributions. It is GRAVITY which must determine that and the ability to withstand the wind.
A collapse involves vertical movement so that steel distribution must be factored in. So regardless of what actually happened the Physics Profession should have been asking about that long before now. But then BELIEVERS don't need data. Physics is not supposed to be about BELIEF.
psik
Originally posted by Varemia
The open floor design of the towers contradicts you. There was NO vertical support in the majority of the towers. They were held up by the core and external columns remaining intact at a weight equilibrium. If some of the supports fail, and stuff begins to fall and distribute weight unevenly, there is a danger of collapse. In the case of the towers, it resulted in a complete collapse.
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
Are you implying that skyscrapers do not have be strong enough to hold up their own weight...
You are the one complaining about my maximum transfer of momentum and have not explained what to do as an alternative and what effect that would have. Using less than maximum transfer would just increase the collapse time which would demonstrate that my "magical" collapse is the minimum time like I have been saying.
You are only interested in muddying the waters and confusing people who know less than you do. Like you can discredit me by asking questions too stupid to respond to. It is not my fault that the stupid Purdue simulation contradicts the empirical data that the NIST collected on the south tower impact. Our schools and scientists are handing us a bunch of BS about 9/11.
Originally posted by exponent
You discredit yourself in this quote psikey. You condemn all schools and scientists because you still remain under the delusion you have some unique insight. I have shown repeatedly that your insight is false, your have no model that would be affected by the data accuracy, and you do not understand how to use the data if you had it.
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
So where is your explanation for less than maximal transfer of momentum and what effect it will have? You were the one complaining about that.
Are you saying that engineering schools could not scale up my physical model...
You see this is not about Bazant and Newton's Third Law of motion it is all about psikeyhackr's over inflated ego.
How do our engineering schools explain not shooting Bazant down ten years ago? This is an issue involving the schools alright because the US went to war because of the psychological atmosphere created by 9/11. What would have happened if in 2002, ten major engineering schools had held a press conference and said there was no way airliners could destroy buildings that big that fast? But here we are ten years later and the schools can't even point out that the NIST does not even specify the total for the concrete in the towers much less the distributions of steel and concrete down the buildings.
But then what engineering school has discussed the location of the center of gravity of the tilted top portion of the south tower? Try finding any mention of that in the NCSTAR1 report.
Originally posted by exponent
Why would it be part of NCSTAR1? If a building has split into an 'upper section' then the whole report is worthless. It is supposed to prevent these failures in future, not catalogue the minutiae of the collapse for laymen.
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
So they don't have to explain anything and laymen are supposed to be ignorant.
The center of mass of a tilted 29 story section of building is MINUTIAE?
So ultimately you are just saying the dummies that the experts keep ignorant are supposed to believe what the experts tell them because the experts say so.
But if laymen understand too much of this simple stuff for themselves then they could not help but come to the conclusion that the experts are full of crap. But that is the position the experts have put themselves in with TEN YEARS of this nonsense
Originally posted by exponent
Originally posted by psikeyhackr
So they don't have to explain anything and laymen are supposed to be ignorant.
The center of mass of a tilted 29 story section of building is MINUTIAE?
When your objective is to prevent any 'section' ever tilting or disconnecting in any way then yes. It's akin to asking how many pieces an egg broke into when your objective was to stop it from smashing.
Another estimate, which gives the initial overload ratio that exists only for a small fraction of a second at the moment of impact, is
Pdyn=P0 = (A=P0)*(2pgEefh)**0.5 64.5
where A = cross section area of building, Eef = cross section stiffness of all columns divided by A, p = specific mass of building per unit volume. This estimate is calculated from the elastic wave equation which yields the intensity of the step front of the downward pressure wave caused by the impact if the velocity of the upper part at the moment of impact on the critical floor is considered as the boundary condition.
Originally posted by maxella1
Mine are;
*The government is so incompetent that they cannot do anything right.
* It's impossible that they could keep it a secret because so many people had to be involved, somebody would blow the whistle.
* So what if they lied to the people about almost everything they do?
*The only evidence truthers have is YouTube videos.
*They are covering up their incompetents not crimes.
Proof by stereotype.
And my favorite of them all is
*Truthers make things up because it's so much more fun to think that it's a government conspiracy.
Originally posted by vasaga
reply to post by kidtwist
They are...