Bin Laden died of natural causes: Former CIA agent

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


I don't listen to CNN, nor any other MSM news (?) outlet.

And, yes, I am aware that each of these only reports what their respective country wants pele to hear, hence, they are all useless .

Hearsay evidence from an "ex-CIA" agent is inadmissible. Whereas video footage of a raid, which did NOT go smoothly or as planned and which strained relations with the Pakistanis because they were not told, and watching the staff of the Whitehouse watch the killing, seeing the obvious pain and consternation on their faces, and listening to the tapes of the entry, etc. These are admissible evidences of Bib Laden's death. If he had been "Dead for years" Bush would most certainly have produced the "We got Bin Laden" scenario himself, putting his friend McCain in the situation room along with Cheney to look like heroes. It would have won the Repubes the election three years ago. Instead Bush laughed off the effort fo getting this mass murderer as if it were not important. So did Romney. And yet look how people reacted after the news. No. Bin Laden was not "dead for years" nor was he "dug up." The wealth of information from the site and the fact that the go-between of Bin Laden with the Al Qayeda Network was so adept at staying out of site and off the radar for so long points to the fact that indeed Bin Laden was alive and continued to plot and to rally his forces even as the govt. was closing in on him. They also have Bin Laden's wife and family sequestered somewhere. And the fact that NO one from the Islamic terrorist faction is giving out anything but grief over their leader's death is more proof that he was alive, living in Pakistan and was shot and killed in his home there. Now the rumors start, a year after his death? Now someone wants to take away the assurety we had that someone, namely President Obama, actually got the job done the Repubes could NOT and would NOT do? Please people, pull the other one. This is a made-up conspiracy. And it comes at election time. It is disinformation, given out by a shadow figure who will not come forward with proof. So I say, no deal.

Originally posted by plube

These folks are dead......

Yes, they are ... and there is a very crude conclusion that we can make out of it.

These men, were alienized by the mass media for decades, before they murdered. But countries like Saudi Arabia, the King of Saud is not being alienized, despite his country being a far worse nation than both Iraq and Syria together.

Countries like Saudi Arabi, Iran, China, Soviet Union are on the media and in the media they are being said to be "bad". But their representative individuals, are not being targetted individually. Conclusion is, these nations are not enemies. But all these nations, represent the very "opposite" thinking from the west. People like Saddam, Lybia's president and Syria's president are individually targetted. Yet, their individual nations are nations that are not religiously fanatic ... strange, isn't it. How come those nations in the middle east, that are "religiously fanatic", are seemingly left alone. And how come, the very part of the middle east that is trying to modernize their world, is being targetted?

Is it possible, that emperror of Iran, was not a US ally, but in fact the US was playing a game and that the CIA was actually behind him being overthrown?

Is it possible, that inside the US (and in the west) you have two sides. One side, that is US the public ... and then there is the TPTB, which actually is not on our side? Is it possible that the media is filling us with a lot of crap, that they think we'd want to hear and altering it slightly towards what is actually ocurring?

Do you want me to throw you a theory?

The United States is the modern Rome. Rome was created from two different factions, the Romans and the Greeks. The United States represents the Roman side, and the Russians represent the Greek side.

They aren't enemies, but they have fundamental issues on how to "go about things".

You want me to tell you something else, something disturbing?

The so called TPTB are afraid, they are afraid of people like me. Their greatest fear, is that people can get together and create armies. They are afraid of war, a final war ... the United States is afraid of it's own downfall. Because of this, the United States is playing a game on the world as we know it.

They are providing weapons of mass destruction to countries, that historically have been on the downside of war ... while at the same time, they are waging wars, with ulterior motives. Their motive is to create a true NWO. This new world order, is to have every nation in the world, babylonized. If you do not understand what I mean, then I will tell you in straight terms. Nimrod of Babylon, united his people and achieved greatness ... he built structures and wanted to become a God. God punished him, and the people of babylon by severing their communications. People talked, but could not understand each other.

The United States, along with some of it's allies ... is playing God. It is actively, waging wars and politics, that are targeted towards having people migrate towards different parts of the world. And have all nations mixed, both ethnically and lingually.

It is exactly what Britain tried to do to Germany, after WWI. They introduced a multi-party system into Germany, and their hope was that with a multi-party system. The german people couldn't unit. It didn't work, so after WWII Germany was divided. Not only into two different countries (by design), but the people were also dispersed into many nations, and people of multiple ethnicities were migrated into Germany.

Today, Germany is dead ... and in about 15-20 years, it's famous engineering skills will be as well.

And this is EXACTLY what is being done to the rest of us...

The war divides us, because there are no clear motives, clear goals or clearly defined enemies. The defined enemy, is an adjective ... and the enemy isn't fighting us to destroy us. We're trying to "erase" the enemy, and thus we are trying to commit "genocide".

Thus, the war divides us ... because among us, there are those who understand and oppose this. We'd oppose Hitler to ... to us, it doesn't matter wether Hitler is a German, American, Christian or a Jew, it's not his ethnicity or religion, or lack thereof, that counts. It's his actions, that do.

As we are supporting the war effort, people from the very countries where we have been, are moving into the US, and Europe. This will cause even further division ... in the future, you will have to live side by side, with the person whose brother, daughter, mother or father ... you killed.

We can talk about opium, gas and oil. But in reality, it's none of these that matter. What matters is, that it isn't just Afghanistan that is being domesticated ... it's the rest of the world, that is as well.

The greatest fear, of TPTB is that people can unite and oppose them. And that is exactly what the people SHOULD do ... and that is exactly what TPTB are preventing.

That is what the war is all about ... it is preventing us, from being able to unite and fight TPTB in the future.

UBL is irrelevant ... he's just a figure head. He's the magicians sleight of hand ... it's what your attention is being focused on, while the magican uses his other hand ...

TO TAKE AWAY YOUR RIGHTS AS A HUMAN BEING.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by gorgi

 

Hes a whistle blower who is exposing them; he is seeing things clearly for the first time.

You are aware, I hope, that "presstv" is Iranian.

Thats my whole point. The "news" comes from iran and its info comes from some random turkish guy and an unnamed CIA agent.
mmmmmmmm... Seems very credible to me

Originally posted by ecoparity

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by gorgi

 

Hes a whistle blower who is exposing them; he is seeing things clearly for the first time.

So he blows the whistle in Iran? Which, just happens to be one of the few places left where Bin Laden is propped up as some kind of hero (despite his complete incompetence as a terrorist, military leader and sheik).

There is a lot of disnfo / bad info floating around about Bin Laden and even people here on ATS are constantly quoting "facts" about him that are completely false. Bin Laden suffered from Addison's disease, a defect of the adrenal gland. I've found no factual information that he was in kidney failure and required dialysis on an ongoing basis.

And, we're supposed to believe that somehow Al Qaeda managed to pull of the 9/11 attacks (among others) when Bin Laden and his group were seen as a complete joke by the Afghan fighters they hoped to join during the Soviet occupation. On numerous occasions, Afghan commanders would take the weapons and supplies from Bin Laden's fighters and send the Arabs back to Pakistan on buses rather than allow them to fight. The only thing Bin Laden was good at was spending his families money supporting Islamic terror groups. Even his own partners tried numerous times to set him up to be killed and the use of a courier known to be under observation by the US was the final, successful act of betrayal by Zawahiri.

Here's what I'd like to know - Bin Laden brought his 4 wives and his dozen children to the compound in Pakistan to be with him. They did not travel using false passports and surely the NSA / CIA, etc would have been watching them, right? How is it possible for his entire family to travel to the compound using public airlines (not private jets, Bin Laden's preferred method of travel) and no one noticed?

Based on my research and the confidences of close friends and relatives who participated in Neptune Spear, I believe Bin Laden was indeed killed in the compound as reported. I do not, however believe that US and other intelligence services had no clue where he was all that time. It's publicly admitted that the ISI not only knew he was there, high level members sometimes visited him at the compound. It's obvious to me we knew right where to find him and for whatever reason, elections, a new deal with a new leader for AQ, etc - the time to kill the witch had come and the use of the blown courier just provided a decent explanation of how he was found.

I know Pakistan has some pretty radical Muslims in the ISI but I find it very hard to believe not even one them would want to collect that 25 million bounty on Bin Laden's head.

edit on 21-5-2012 by ecoparity because: (no reason given)

yeah coming from iran it has to be credible. It is alternative to US media. Iranian news only covers facts, so this must be true. Am I the only one who actually thinks ? Seriously, you guys really believe Iranian news ?

Originally posted by whisperindave
These are admissible evidences of Bib Laden's death.

Without the confirming testimony of those who were in the raid ...

no, it isn't admissable ... because without the testimony of the raiders, and the raided ... it's just another Blair Witch movie.

If he had been "Dead for years" Bush would most certainly have produced the "We got Bin Laden" scenario himself,

Why? I know Mr. G.W. Bush is an idiot ... but I assume he has some good advisors.

Whenever GWB wanted to go ahead with his Iraq mission, a big part of the world opposed it. Immediately afterwards, Mr. UBL appeared on CIA's middle east TV station (Al Jazeera). Making threats and allegations, and claiming aid for Saddam.

Without the aid of UBL, and Al Jazeera ... GWB would never have gotten the go ahead for his Iraq mission.

And there is no question about it anymore ... you can go about and babble all you want. It's been confirmed, that Al Qaida is fighting along side NATO.

It's confirmed.

reply to post by Human_Alien


Good Job!!! For those looking for the Truth - here you go. KUDOS!!!

Originally posted by gorgi

yeah coming from iran it has to be credible. It is alternative to US media. Iranian news only covers facts, so this must be true. Am I the only one who actually thinks ? Seriously, you guys really believe Iranian news ?

And we're still ignoring the fact, that the TV pictures on Al Jazeera showed BIn Ladin, getting younger and younger. Well not all the time, but it was so obvious that some of those pictures of him on Tv, showed old pictures rather than new ones. An idioc could have seen it.

The same applied for Saddam Hussein. When he was cought he had a beard, while he was being showed on TV just a few months earlier with his normal mustash.

The news agencies here, aren't even hiding this ... and you guys just go about and babble babble, and ingore this? yeah right ... you're very credible, about as much credible as the Iranian news stand.

reply to post by Human_Alien


Excellent post! You said everything I was thinking but am too tired to articulate.

I'm not sure this story is 100% true but I have no doubt that Bin Laden died of natural causes in 2001 or earlier. Just look at the "evidence" shown to us by the CIA - Before September of 2001 all of Bin Laden's messages to the U.S. were on video. Since 2001 we have seen a single video where someone who looks nothing like Bin Laden "admits" to the 9/11 attacks, and then several threatening AUDIO recordings which they claim contains the voice of Bin Laden.

It boggles the mind that there are millions of people who still eat up the official story.

reply to post by bjarneorn


I would venture one thing further.....the reason....

There are now only 5 nations on the world left without a Rothschild controlled central bank: Iran; North Korea; Sudan; Cuba; and Libya.

now guess what.....before 911 there were .....guess......7 now since this list....guess who now has a centrally controlled Rothchilds bank........look closely at the list....ahhhh ha......do you see it....Libya.

now as you were saying......look at which countries are now being targeted .....the ones who are personally being flagged.......can we guess.......yup....i knew you would get it right away......how obvious can all this be......
the first people that need to be dealt with when the people rise up....THE ROTHCHILDS......They will be punished for their sins...if not in this life.....but in the afterlife.

just look up the house of Rothchilds to understand the perspective of the goings on in this wonderous world of ours.

Hmm Maybe the mission did go bad.
I know a seal team 6 helicopter got shot down, where the ones in it the ones in the raid?
Either it went wrong and they were taken out, or it never happened and they were taken out.. Both so that they couldn't tell anyone.

I am starting to think that most people on this forum will believe anything

I am starting to think that most people on this forum will believe anything

PressTV ... Iran's propaganda machine. They wouldn't make up a story just to try to embarrass the USA, would they? Naaaaaaah ... (sarcasm) Not buying the 'news' (propaganda) story.

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL


CIA agent is admitting that US forces dug up the body of a dead bin laden only to stage a fake death. It all makes perfect sense because shooting a dead body would not show blood and the decay of the years old dead body. They showed pics of Saddam and Gadhaffi but not bin laden. Reason: He was dead for years and any gunshot wounds on the body would expose the farce that the body had been dead for years.

www.presstv.ir
(visit the link for the full news article)

I hate to point out the obvious flaw here but why bother to dig him up? You could easily fake it using an actor they wouldn't need the body. Si isnt it kinda stupid they would dig up a body they dont need to perform a hoax?

The whole thing is likely the biggest sham since JFK's assassination. The White House gathering with all the bigwigs present, all 'honorable' and trustworthy government politicians gathered around a screen watching this unfold. Conveniently with no body or no coverage of the burial at sea (don't make me laugh) (an unidentifiable wrapped up body). And all the later press of events contrived to give credence to the plot/story, with the participants in the room all aghast etc. Don't tell me it's raining and p_ _ down my neck....pa..leeze.... It has been choreographed down to the N'th degree, but it's still so implausible that it wreaks of conspiracy. There are two things here in play..... trying to divert attention from Obana's real citizenship and a convenient play at appearing to have done something positive in his term in office. Neither has he done.... instead he has burdened the public beyond belief with his socialist politics and distributing the wealth. He has played with OPM and played freely, as long as he could. The American citizens do not want socialism, nor do we want to fund entitlements for those who have made them a lifestyle.......for generations. One day perhaps, if the corrupt government is taken back by the citizenry, we may learn the truth, and I' sure it won't unfold anything like the current manufactured plot. The American public is being 'played', it's that simple, but corruption runs so deep in government that there would be train loads of people to prosecute for collusion and treasonous acts. The system is broken, and in collapse, and at the current velocity, sure to end in collapse. We need a thorough house cleaning, but it ain't gonn'a happen. The best you can do is prepare for the post collapse of the American government because it's on the fast track to chaos.

to add to others comments on this photo ...



Obama looks like a little kid who was invited to sit at the grown up table at Thanksgiving.
Totally out of place .. an afterthought ... and certainly not the guy in charge of an
international 'hit' on the fella who is the most wanted criminal/terrorist in the world.

It's just as likely they were watching a



warner Brothers cartoon of the Roadrunner finally getting caught by the Coyote......

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


no govt would ie to us. Obama got him then buried him at see per muslim rituals. LOL