A Socialist

As you may have guessed, I'm a socialist. Or rather, I choose to identify as a socialist -- to others who identify as socialists and don't want me besmirching their colors... I'm sorry. Well, not really. I'm just surprised that this name has not yet been taken.

This place seems okay to me. But I notice something odd. When you look at the text that says "reply to post by so-and-so" you usually see the name of one's opponent. That means you can easily tell how borders are drawn. I might as well be a good socialist and say that all borders must come down! There will be forced hugs all around

Good day to all.

reply to post by socialist

Wait... what?

Forced hugs.... huh.... that does sound like a socialist idea. Not that I have a problem with more hugs.

I guess you're OK. Come on in. Keep your hands in your pockets for the time being....

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There will be forced hugs... maybe... in the future. But there are none currently.
The only odd text I see, is mine as I don't typically reply to introductions.

Originally posted by socialist
As you may have guessed, I'm a socialist. Or rather, I choose to identify as a socialist -- to others who identify as socialists and don't want me besmirching their colors... I'm sorry. Well, not really. I'm just surprised that this name has not yet been taken.

This place seems okay to me. But I notice something odd. When you look at the text that says "reply to post by so-and-so" you usually see the name of one's opponent. That means you can easily tell how borders are drawn. I might as well be a good socialist and say that all borders must come down! There will be forced hugs all around

Good day to all.

edit on 20-5-2012 by socialist because: (no reason given)

Nothing wrong with socialism, just those implementing it.
To err is human and so is being greedy and selfish and wrong

Welcome to the Forums!

ATS is conservative website, so if at times you feel outnumbered and tired of all of the incorrect facts about socialism just ignore them!

Get a bath and find a job, dirty hippie. Got enough free-loaders around here..






oh, and welcome to the fray

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Welcome!

Now give me all your stuff.

I want it.

I own nothing of value so lets take everything you own and split it with me 50/50.






Welcome to ATS.

Originally posted by socialist
As you may have guessed, I'm a socialist. Or rather, I choose to identify as a socialist -- to others who identify as socialists and don't want me besmirching their colors... I'm sorry. Well, not really. I'm just surprised that this name has not yet been taken.

This place seems okay to me. But I notice something odd. When you look at the text that says "reply to post by so-and-so" you usually see the name of one's opponent. That means you can easily tell how borders are drawn. I might as well be a good socialist and say that all borders must come down! There will be forced hugs all around

Good day to all.

edit on 20-5-2012 by socialist because: (no reason given)

This from Wiki:

Socialism play /ˈsoʊʃəlɪzəm/ is an economic system characterised by social ownership and/or control of the means of production and cooperative management of the economy,[1] and a political philosophy advocating such a system. "Social ownership" may refer to any one of, or a combination of, the following: cooperative enterprises, common ownership, direct public ownership or autonomous state enterprises.[2] There are many variations of socialism and as such there is no single definition encapsulating all of socialism.

Please define your variation on the term 'socialist', and tell us how forced hugs come into the meaning?

Originally posted by XcytaBill
I own nothing of value so lets take everything you own and split it with me 50/50.

Welcome to ATS.

Uh-uh, now it has to be split three ways. 30% to you, 30% to him, and 40% for me. Oops! Socialism fail!

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How 'bout 40 for you 40 for me and 20 for him. We'll be known as the elite..........not fail.....just reality.

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Welcome. There is no other choice BUT socialism, we are living with it already (just doing a sloppy job of it) and calling it another name. And people who are in communication with each other do not know that socialism is the only way to survive together. We are social animals and operate "synergistically" in that joining together we CAN create something greater than the sum of two parts. Two heads are better than one and when it comes to many universal truths we ARE all on the same page.
TPTB might have you believe differently - to expedite their own causes namely getting more power and money from other peoples sweat and blood. Anything that is NOT socialism is elitist and will favor a ruling or economic class or individual group over another. People are kinda dumb to think what they have even now is not closer to socialism than anything else - at least we had better hope so.

People opt out and live off the grid but they are exceptions. The rest of us work dealing with the public, shop in stores, pay our taxes and wear our seat belts. Democracy is only the voice of Socialism and it tries to ensure satisfaction of THE PEOPLE, to maintain the working Republic. In a working Republic people should be able to live off the grid. People should do what people want...after some basic ground rules and those stem from your priorities. If you value freedom - you cannot take "freedom" away from another person.

I say:

Like any joint en devour you need to begin with and agree on a
Declaration of Intent.

The "Declaration of Independence" touches on a few responsibilities of government, it suggests what the governments purpose is, how it shall benefit "the people" in it's organization, and when it is over reaching. There is no mission statement written by the people. We became independent...great, now where do we want to go? What do we want to do? Live spread out or close together? Produce things, or live in idyllic leisure? Everyone do their own thing? Anything is possible but you have to decide where you are going before you can get there.

A Declaration of Intent, or a Mission Statement - is needed so everyone is on the same page, pulling the same direction and so everyone knows what they are signing up for (and getting out of) in this relationship, this family, this street, this area, this town, city, state, country, hemisphere, this world. They should all formulate a mission statement. Political parties try to do this for us but they do a lousy job and they get it wrong a great deal. Citizens United is a bunch of CORPORATIONS who are banding together claiming to represent "WE THE PEOPLE" and making mission statements for us. Special interest groups like ALEC are hi-jacking our PARTICIPATORY legislative process. Fact is we no longer need representation from any congressman senator and certainly none or group like Citizens United or ALEC. We can represent ourselves. Ask me a question? I count as one. (at least as long as you don't use Jeb Bush's new electronic voting booths...lol) That is democracy, it is sort of social in that all are included and I think inclusion is necessary for any Republic.

What are the rules you live by and what is your code, your priorities? This was tried in biblical times but the differences among us set us out in different directions and fear prevailed. We know a lot more about each other now. We know we all have a right to be here, people are not heathens because they have different customs and none should suffer or die at the hands of another. When didn't we know this? The first law, the Hammurabis Code provides for widows and orphans. That is inherently socialist.They don't just cut them lose, like you are hearing people suggest today. We have not become less human, become less social.... or have we?
You have to decide (as a people or as whatever group you include yourself in)...what is important to you, what your priorities actually are.
In our political discourse we get a very generalized idea of our differences. Fact is all of us WANT THE SAME THINGS. We each recommend a different way of getting these things. Why not take the most sensible way. Why not do what is best for all? That is the essence of socialism and it is what we try.

So I suggest we start with a Mission Statement - what is it you want to do? Take over the world or live amongst others in peace? I don't even think we can agree on the answer to that but it would be interesting to know.
After a mission statement is created, based on those priorities, you decide what NEEDS to be done.
What is essential and at the top of the list.

And then you set about doing it.

Why not feed the world?
Why not world peace?
Why not start at home?
It wouldn't be babble from beauty contestants if we just friggin did it.
You have to want it, prioritize it, get it done, make it self perpetuating and move on to the next thing. It all seems very simple to me. We complicate things deliberately. I know, I'm rambling - because I think people categorically dismisses socialism the same way they do liberalism - out of ignorance. And it is laughable. Who doesn't want LIBERTY?

The broken system that we have now is like making sausage. Except it doesn't even actually produce a sausage in the end! We are going through the ugly, painful motions, as if we are. It is not getting anything done EXCEPT making the rich richer and the poor poorer. We have the statistics to prove it.

We are no Democracy. We are a blossoming plutocracy and a failing Republic. We are failing to network and connect as intended to even make socialism work. We are the proverbial can of worms.

Welcome!

You're surprised "socialist" wasn't taken? Nonono, the proper reaction would be "astonished" or "gobsmacked". Wanna know what my first choice was? Halfhand. Taken. Swear to Ba'al. Then "Cyrillus". Taken. My wife found "Vitruvius" on a map of the moon. Sure, now I know who he was...

Anyway, cherish the anomoly and welcome to the Flip side of the Force.

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Why, I ought to be astounded. Flabbergasted, even. But unfortunately I have the emotional range of a peanut.

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tl;dr

Nah, just kidding. Starting at home is a good mission statement. Some people decide to wield power over others, but this often leads them to crave more power and forget what they were doing in the first place. Some people manage to do lots even without wielding any power over others. They just create, and let their creations do the talking. Dennis Ritchie did just that with the C language. But instead of lauding people like Ritchie people slaver over Jobs, a base charlatan by comparison, like craven hounds.

I long for a better world and not just for myself. As we all say, deny ignorance!

Howdy!
Here's the red carpet for ya!
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Ron Paul 2012!

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