There Are LOADS Of Jobs Out There, But People Don't Want To Work!

reply to post by sylvie


I believe we've found a problem solver here.

Maybe some of you should listen. Advice is free but it only helps if you apply it.

Peace

capitalism is a pyramid scheme, those that got in on it at the begining reap the most benefits.
at some point there were more people than jobs so some people have to be unemployed. There are only a given number of good paying jobs and when those jobs are taken the next group of people joining the "pyramid" will have to take lesser jobs regardless of their education levels and skills. Just like a pyramid scheme the last ones in are going to get hosed and reap no returns on their investments.
We have reached that point,college grads are stuck with huge student loans and low paying jobs.

reply to post by Tardacus


Capitalism may be a Ponzi Scheme (it is), but so is Socialism.

I used to work in a Union and the most useless employees were at the highest seniority. They just showed up for the paycheck, doing as little as possible until the day ended. Their souls were crushed already. They couldn't be fired unless they comitted some atrocious crime against humanity, but even then would probably get a paid leave of absence.

There were a few guys who never showed up for weeks!! No calls, nothing. Did they get fired? Hell no. Stress leave haha.

If you were a go getter, problem solver, or busted your ass, but were low on the seniority totem pole.....tough.

There was no room for advancement. No room for negotiating a raise above the bums. They got their job before you did, therefore they had the best shift picks, and hours. It was awful.

So that route isn't a good alternative either.

What is a good solution?

reply to post by Goldcurrent


I think communism was the closest system to a perfect and fair system that the world has seen thus far.With some tweaking I think it could succeed and make life better for everyone instead of just for the corrupt and greedy few at the top.

reply to post by Tardacus

I think communism was the closest system to a perfect and fair system that the world has seen thus far.

That is why thousands of people risked their lives in attempts to get out of communist countries, right? How come nobody risked their lives to get into those countries if they were such wonderful places to live? Why do communist leaders always conduct massive purges of "useful idiots" once they get into power? Why do communist countries always operate massive gulags? Maybe the answers to these questions stem from the misery suffered by the citizens who are FORCED to live in these garden spots.

Folks who think communism could ever work are delusional.

You either don't get it, or you don't WANT to get it. When I say "start a business," I'm not talking vast overhead, ten employees, workman's comp, etc.... I'm talking about going out there and making yourself available to work for people (customers) in whatever you're good at. For crying out loud.

I even named all kinds of things one could do, from seamstress work, to small-appliance repair, to mending shoes, to fixing bicycles. Here's some more: dog walking, babysitting, house sitting, small handyman repairs, getting old junk together and selling it at yard sales or flea markets, and, and, and. With a little creativity, there's no end to the possibilities. Jesus. Christ.

I have a full time job at the moment. It's called.. finding a job. I don't have time to walk someone's dog for 12 bucks. I need to be available for interviews, to take phone calls (many more phone interviews these days, so it seems), be ready to hit an interview on site at a moments notice. Not.. "Oh.. can we make that tomorrow instead? I have to finish repairing this bike."

And I've done that before.. you and many like you assume that someone who is unemployed and collecting benefits, are some sort of lazy bums. I've never seen such looking-down-nose, better than thou crap in years. Yes.. I read your posts.. you are an AMAZING! worker. bravo? You are the only person like that in the entire country, clearly.

I have flyers I created that I have put up around for miles (or my wife have), on more that one occasion for computer work. Guess what: many places that offer work want to WRITE IT OFF. Unless you are a business, you CAN'T. I tried to do some work for an apartment complex, and they wouldn't do so because I didn't have insurance.. as a computer specialist! Also, if you are accepting ANY unemployment, you MUST REPORT all wages. ALL.WAGES. Do you get that? Are you suggesting people work illegally? I know you wouldn't suggest that. I'll be damned if I am going to go through miles of red tape because I walked someone's schnauzer. Again, you are not being realistic.

Most people who are out of work due to this recession: Can't afford to take some crummy minimum wage job. They can't afford to be without full medical support. They ARE looking for work, and that in itself, is a FULL TIME JOB. They are not "lazy"... that's a massive, general assumption. Just because they choose to not try to earn an extra 20 weeks doing odd jobs a week doesn't mean they are lazy. Get off your high horses.

Originally posted by Kryties
Plumbers, electricians, landscapers....pretty much all trades require years of training and apprenticeship on ridiculously low wages before one is fully licensed where I come from.

And damn it, I just don't have time to do all that work.

I want the big bucks now, and with as little work and effort as possible.

And damn it, I just don't have time to do all that work.

I want the big bucks now, and with as little work and effort as possible.

The people looking for work have already put in that work over the years. What do you think this recession is? It's a lot of professionals with a lot of years experience looking for jobs. The suggestions here are just insane. That someone who has been in their own trade or job for 10 or 15 or 20 years, should just give up looking so they are "productive" to society (which in essence, is what these righteous, "better than thou" types are hinting at), and walk into a trade shop and say "ok.. I wanna be an apprentice!" And magically, they are now a plumber. Not taking into account their lack of benefits, nor the lack of pay to sustain their lifestyle, nor that they may not want to BE a plumber at all, nor that it's a laughable fantasy to think that the hundreds of thousands of out of work Americans can all just take up trade jobs, and everything will be better. What a joke.

People here don't live in reality - not a huge surprise for this site honestly. But some of the suggestions and "advice" has been just terrible. I have more than 25 years of experience in my field - you are seriously suggesting that I take the first job that comes along, and forget all about my time and effort working up the ladder, learning my trade? Like I said.. you live in a fantasy world if you think that's the answer.

reply to post by fleabit

you are seriously suggesting that I take the first job that comes along, and forget all about my time and effort working up the ladder, learning my trade?

Depends if you are starving and living under a bridge. When things actually get rough for you, are you just going to sit back and die, steal stuff from other people, or take whatever subsistance job you can find or create?

I think few on this site actually understand how difficult life can actually become.

Depends if you are starving and living under a bridge. When things actually get rough for you, are you just going to sit back and die, steal stuff from other people, or take whatever subsistance job you can find or create?

I think few on this site actually understand how difficult life can actually become.

Ok.. the premise of this thread and ones like it is about people not having jobs, and relying on unemployment, etc. until they can find gainful employment. Not "you are living under a bridge and starving." Yes.. if I was homeless, the sorts of jobs I would accept would change, obviously.

But if someone is relying on unemployment or other benefits, and are looking for something in their realm of expertise, then I say.. keep using those resources until you find that job. The closer it comes to those funds or resources drying up the less picky one must become.

reply to post by sylvie


I never said we can afford to sit on our butts and feel sorry for yourself.

However, the claim that there are loads of jobs available out there for anyone willing to become a plumber is completely ridiculous.

You are right, this is the greater depression, and it is going to get a lot worse. A lot of people who think they have it made are going to find out that they too are among the totally screwed.

Yeah, get out the door and find some way to get work, but don't think you can start a business as a plumber nice, sweet, and easy. Get out there to make connections, barter and trade for things other than money.

Oh, and don't feel guilty about milking the system dry, because unless you are a billionaire, you are small time. Heck, the politicians, and that includes the republicans, have done everything possible to give advantages and benefits to billionaires and immigrants, and screw over honest hard working people.

If you think rich people get a bad ride, you are clueless.

reply to post by Goldcurrent


I have worked union and nonunion, and the most worthless people are always the bureaucrats. These people spend all their time playing politics, and putting their game plan above all else, and especially getting anything done.

I'd rather have a guy not show up regularly, than always be there screwing things up for their power game. Without unions, it is my observation that there are more bureaucrats that make things worse.

Which probably why unions workers are more productive than non-union workers.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
How easy is it to get a plumber to your house same day and sometimes same week?
How often does a plumber call you back even?
And how much does it cost?

This market is thirsty for more plumbers
More plumbers is more competition which will be better prices for you as well

What about an electrician?
Are they easy to get at your home same day?

And even more importantly landscapers
You call a landscaper sure they may come same day, but when will they start the project?
Sometimes months or weeks ahead
Sometimes they give you a quote and never call you back
Sometimes they come to do an estimation and they never send you the quote unless they do it onsite

Many of these guys are either irresponsible or they have so many contracts to work on that they don't care
And that's from the horse's mouth

There are plenty of jobs out there
But when people think of jobs they only think about the help wanted ads or monster.com
They never think of starting their own business and THAT is the problem

They wait for a job to come to them instead of them themselves going towards a new business initiative

Come on people!

I realize that this is not universal truth, some areas in ghettos have very little buyers for landscaping and also may live in appartments where the landloard takes care of it.

But in the city and suburbs there's loads of jobs
And if you live in a ghetto maybe you can drive outside of town for such a job and then move out

However let's not say there's no jobs out there
That's just not true

I'm not saying it's easy out there, but you don't jump to "There's No Jobs!!!"

That is not only flagrantly not true, it is an out right lie. I'm a contractor. I take on clients, and the worst thefts are the yuppies and the corporations. They are not paying the crews who are actually doing the work. Point in case we are still waiting...for more than 5 months...while still WORKING...for payment of some sort.
We have hundreds of subcontractors--plumbers, electricians, etc. --who have no work. Cant find clients because the populations wages are being extracted. That is the simple truth behind all the "money problems" you see going on.

"Covet Means" is a term, like so many others, that has been removed. It is a crime that is punishable by the death penalty.
It is tied to the missing history of Babylon--the babylonian Slave queen Selene, and her god 'El' who was the 'whore of babylon'. Azaz-el.
The Anunnaki and El with "whom Man is at War with in the War in Heaven" used 'Covet Means' as a METHOD OF WARFARE (to deliberately cause death of the enemy) against the slave populations they have control of--Us. The corporations are the Covens of Azazel. It is Canon Law "all names of 'gods' must be in all capital letters"; "all Covens of 'gods' must be in all capital letters preceded by 'of' to denote POSSESSED BY 'god' and display their registered Coven symbol". Queen Selene was her babylonian name. Her hebrew name is "Lilith"; her sumerian name is "Inanna" Queen of the Moloch the Owl race of the Bird Tribes of Nibiru and daughter of An (egyptian Set). Her greek name is Arsinoe II. She was also a Pharaoh which the definition for is "King of kings". She created the Vatican; Papal, Royal and Federal Covens; the Corporations and Money Banking system (who were the "Merchants and Moneylenders at the Temple"); the 5 day work week were all fruits of labor were seized and taxed as tribute to 'god'. She was known as the worst pedophile on the planet, and topped 'Solomon' for her orgies and rape of children and their use as human sacrifice to Azazel. She was promoted for successfully enslaving man, and by sumerian law her name was altered to 'most high' "Magda-lene". Azazel (sumerian Marduke) was renamed "Archang-El Micha-El" in the same way "Jupiter" (sumerian Enlil) was renamed "St. Peter".

The Papal is behind the extraction and has named itself 'Security Exchange Executor' the "Holy SEE". You are dealing with a Company Store system. "Money" is a pyramid scheme. 'Federals' are the lesser nobility (Sir Evelyn Rothschild) and the last time they were caught out as the specific Coven of Selene was in Moscow and that incident was called the "Merchants of Moscow" 1560-1680, and when they were caught using the death rosters of the people their games of covet means had killed by starvation and removal of medical care..a pogrom was committed and Moscow was burned to the ground. All use of the term federal has been removed, even its origin and definition. "fe-der-al" is 'fee due el'; 'feder-al' is 'bloodkin el' usually a patriarchal uncle (your uncle Sa-M(a-El).
The Cox committee of 1952 caught the financial link between the Merchants, Money lenders and was tying it to the royals and papal. R. got appointed and shut them down. Another group recently caught it again. Google "147 Corporations" that rule the world.
Stop telling these people it is alright, and that this is normal! It is NOT.

How much is welfare or unemployment benefit in US and how much time last ?

There are tonnes of jobs, but how many that pay?

There are tonnes of low paid job, but often you will have to have three of them just to equal a livable wage. I can't speak with regards to life in America, but in Britain, the welfare capital for the planet, being on welfare pays and pays very well!

It pays more for some than others, if you're a single mum you can coin in massive amounts of money, I'm talking £30k+ from the state when you factor in housing benefit for the council house, as well as the ponse money. Now for many it pays to stay off working, for some it pays to work up to 20 hours (or whatever the threshold is before you lose money), but none are going to take full time jobs that pay less than what they're already getting in the overall sum of benefits, if that means they lose their benefits that they get hitherto for doing nothing.

From the same household you may have a teenager who has finished school, grown up in the environment that highlights the lack of work ethic needed to live and so continues on. If the teenager is a girl, she will get pregnant and if she has sisters who are similar age then they will get pregnant shortly after. So the cycle continues with the losers being the working tax payer that missed the gravy train, that either had puchased a property or cannot get a state house so pays thieving overinflated private rent. The working tax payer that wants to be honest and be a good example to their children, while they struggle to put food on the plate every night. These are the people who have been made redundant and now with three or four low paid jobs are just keeping above water.

The Grapes of Wrath still rings true in today's "Modern" world.

This is the welfare state in the UK as created by the Labour government. The workers are in poverty, the poor are in lavish poverty.

There are jobs out there, but there aren't jobs out there that are financially viable. You can thank the welfare state for that, but then again this is the agenda of devaluing wages and purchasing power, but that is for a seperate thread.

I don't blame the lazy welfare claimants, but the filthy system that has created lazy welfare claimants.

Originally posted by Tardacus
I think communism was the closest system to a perfect and fair system that the world has seen thus far.With some tweaking I think it could succeed and make life better for everyone instead of just for the corrupt and greedy few at the top.

By "tweaking", do you mean more gulags, reeducation camps and secret police?

Originally posted by fleabit
I have more than 25 years of experience in my field - you are seriously suggesting that I take the first job that comes along, and forget all about my time and effort working up the ladder, learning my trade? Like I said.. you live in a fantasy world if you think that's the answer.

It all depends on what "profession" you have.

There was an ass-hat that was whining on some Occupy site about all the time and effort he put into his "profession". Spent tons of cash on his Masters degree, the whole nine yards. Now, he couldn't find a job and was stuck with crushing debt.

His profession? He had a Master in Puppetry. Yep, he decided he was gonna be the next Jim Henson or something.

So, if you have that sort of profession, regardless of how many years of experience, maybe it's time to put down Kermit and Fozzie Bear and pick up a wrench.

minimum wage jobs do not pay enough...
example: minimum wage in 1969 $1.30 an hour...gal of gas...35 cents
minimum wage in 2012 $7.25 an hour...gal of gas...$3.68

in 1969, you could get 4 gal. of gas for a hours worth of work, with change
in 2012, you can get alittle under. 2 gals of gas for an hours worth of work

we are getting F'ed by either the oil companies or the lobbyists for low wage business interests, and i think it's both. so this idea of someone being lazy because they don't want to take backbreaking work for minimum wage, is simply a fallacy.
our motto should be:...."work at minimum wage in america, and you will become poorer every year"...."minimum wage in america, you too can reach the level of poverty only dreamed about by big business"

Originally posted by Kryties
Plumbers, electricians, landscapers....pretty much all trades require years of training and apprenticeship on ridiculously low wages before one is fully licensed where I come from.

Yep, but you can start and learn. The problem is that most people just sit back and expect to be given work rather than going out and earning it! Truth hurts, but it's true!

Originally posted by jimmyx
minimum wage jobs do not pay enough...
example: minimum wage in 1969 $1.30 an hour...gal of gas...35 cents
minimum wage in 2012 $7.25 an hour...gal of gas...$3.68

in 1969, you could get 4 gal. of gas for a hours worth of work, with change
in 2012, you can get alittle under. 2 gals of gas for an hours worth of work

we are getting F'ed by either the oil companies or the lobbyists for low wage business interests, and i think it's both. so this idea of someone being lazy because they don't want to take backbreaking work for minimum wage, is simply a fallacy.
our motto should be:...."work at minimum wage in america, and you will become poorer every year"...."minimum wage in america, you too can reach the level of poverty only dreamed about by big business"

YOu are missing the point. This thread is about people working for themselves filling gaps.