We would already be overun with alien tech if they were here.

Any civilization that could ever manage to teleport here from across the galaxy/universe would already have mastered A.I., quantum computing, nanotechnology, teleportation and so on. In my experience with UFO lore is all we ever hear about is them abducting people to use their biotech to make hybrids, and their fancy anti-gravity zoom-zoom tech.

Sure, they would need to nab some human specimens to do some biotech experiments and studies. But how long do you think they'd have to do this for? Supposedily they've been here forever according to some cave drawings. I've even heard that we're put here by them after being created by their biotech. In any case, why would they need to keep abducting people?

With their uber advanced AI / AGI ultra computers a single drop of blood should be all they ever need to know everything that could be known about our physiology and the rest. And why cattle? Mice make a better species for experimentation as their DNA is something like a 98% match to humans.

Perhaps more importantly why would they need to come down to the ground and do their organ removal or whatever it is they were supposedly doing in all those cow mutilations? An advanced creature that managed to get here most likely teleported, at least in my view. My understanding (although I'm not the best oen to try and describe it mathematically) is that the notion of trying to travel at near lightspeed means a craft or other stellar body would transform into a volume about the size of a pinhead with obscene mass. This creates an ordeal of how do you create a craft that can not only endure this ordeal, but can withstand near lightspeed collisions with every type of space debris imaginable. I'd even bet that passing thru clouds of space gas would be a dire problem as opposed to the ypical vacuum of space.

But all that aside consider the calucalations involved. Even if your mass could have you blast right thru dust, debris, asteroids, space junk, gases, ice, comets and so on, your probably not going to simply pass thru large things such as planets, suns and black holes. I argue that its exteremly unlikely that an evolved brain / intelligence even armed with the sorts of supercomputers we know today have nil chance of being able to calculate their way to some extremely far off place.

Meanwhile its more likely that by the time computers could be crafted to do such work they'd be smarter than their creators anyways. This is where probablity kicks in overdrive: we know first hand better than anything in the known universe that supreme intelligences dominate and enslave and make pets of the lesser creatures in their realm(s). Mere technological superiority within our species has also meant an entire history of the domination and enslavement of our own species in their own realms. So now our alien overloards are already well beyond the crucibal we currently face when the technology itself becomes both the dominate species and supreme technology wrapped into one.

Stepping back, even if some advanced creatures managed to build AI but not become assimilated by it (for mere survival), they'd still have most surely have mastered nanotechnology

Why? Because you and your friends need a taser? Coincidence that for the past 5,000 years we have lived in a mediocre state, then Roswell happened, then came the microwave, the atomic bomb, guidance systems, satellites, and so forth. Coincidence? Probably not. Luck guess that these things work like this, and they are all efficient too?

How do you know we are not all ready? What do you expect? Lets say they wear dealing with our Government and our Government did not want certain technology released to the public? You assume that Aliens have mastered all aspects of science. How do you know they wear not handed the technology to move around the universe? How do you know they did not stumble upon the science. How do you know that they are not at the same level as we are? You assume that we do not have the technology to travel the far reaches of space. Its all up for SPECULATION!!!
You assume that Aliens would give us this technology. If you time traveled would you give you a televisions and rifles to the greeks? Or better yet your time machine?

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I want to support OPs point about the difficulty of space travel.
astronomers agree space is permeated by cosmic rays... really just particles that carry the energy of a hard hit tennis ball.
Not going to be a defense against that. anything more complex than a photon or a rock is going to be damaged by time of flight...neither your brain or your laptop will survive 20 years of space travel.

so the space aliens that get here either have to have regenerative powers or a different mass composition, i.e., not protons electrons and neutrons.

If such alien tech exists then why not just sent A.I. to do the work? The more intelligent we get as a species the less physical work we seem to do.

If we are being visited we don't know by what. They could be here just to observe our progress and not interact.
These ships could be probes that keep up with us and report back to who ever is on the other end.
This could be the reason why they have been here for so long and why they can do right or left turns at incredible speeds because they are not actually alive.

Maybe they already have us overrun, I can't help but wonder as I see people face deep in their cell phones how long it will take until every last one of us is so dependent on these social networks and smart phones, that once we're unplugged we won't know how to survive an impending attack if it happened..... Keep us down this same road for another 20-50 years then hit us with a EMP and watch us fumble around with our brains fried not knowing what to do next..........

Let's not forget about velcro.....

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Originally posted by samlf3rd
Why? Because you and your friends need a taser? Coincidence that for the past 5,000 years we have lived in a mediocre state, then Roswell happened, then came the microwave, the atomic bomb, guidance systems, satellites, and so forth. Coincidence? Probably not. Luck guess that these things work like this, and they are all efficient too?

Needs to learn a bit about the historical development of science before posting, especially technological advances during and after two world wars...

Originally posted by samlf3rd
Why? Because you and your friends need a taser? Coincidence that for the past 5,000 years we have lived in a mediocre state, then Roswell happened, then came the microwave, the atomic bomb, guidance systems, satellites, and so forth. Coincidence? Probably not. Luck guess that these things work like this, and they are all efficient too?

Probable not? You don't have idea how a new discovery is made... They are build using as base the previous discoveries and it will continue building on ad infinitum. Please read the science books, journals and start understand how science work before giving credit to some magical being from the sky

and you think we just figured out on our own how to make integrated circuits and microprocessors? ,
to mention only a couple ... lol

Originally posted by Ahmose
and you think we just figured out on our own how to make integrated circuits and microprocessors? ,
to mention only a couple ... lol

Yeah, actually... have you studied circuits or anything similar? It's not surprising in the least that we were able to develop these technologies. Our understanding of mathematics and science and the development of technology are in perfect correlation with each other and each successive discovery of current technology makes logical sense.

To suggest that humans beings weren't able to create the modern technology we have today on our own is laughable, and frankly, one of the most ridiculous theses i've seen on ATS.

Actually i dont think we would be overrun as you mean it and heres why

-Imagine cars that dont need oil /the oil cartel is not going to let that happen

-imagine no maladies /not gonna happen,drug companies need to sell their stuff

its like i give you the sickness but oh look here i just happen to got the cure too

-imagine no wars /all those gun making companies,someones gotta buy them

and a million other reasons

WE (the USA) and any other country is not in the possession of any alien tech. And IF they are (big IF) it is totally unusable to us.

I would imagine if we had alien tech wars like Iraq and Afghanistan wouldn't have lasted twice as long as WW2 did, right? I mean what are we waiting to use it for, to secure our borders, improve construction techniques, etc....

It's a modern myth perpetuated by the ignorant and the just plain average :useful idiot".

Originally posted by Ahmose
and you think we just figured out on our own how to make integrated circuits and microprocessors? ,
to mention only a couple ... lol

Just because you don't understand how things works doesn't mean it is magic

I agree that nearly all we have so far is primarily based on our own discoveries. Which is why I do not think we have devloped any spaceships with sci fi capabilities just by ourselves. That means the technology you see is what it is, anything else would be with help from outside because you cannot SUDDENLY make a spaceship that can blink and some incredibly high technology out of YOUR A$$.

Also eat this

None of that is true. Millions of years ahead of us, we have nothing they'd want, and they dont need to "share" anything with us.

Originally posted by jheated5
Maybe they already have us overrun, I can't help but wonder as I see people face deep in their cell phones how long it will take until every last one of us is so dependent on these social networks and smart phones, that once we're unplugged we won't know how to survive an impending attack if it happened..... Keep us down this same road for another 20-50 years then hit us with a EMP and watch us fumble around with our brains fried not knowing what to do next..........

I hear that friend. I wonder if humanity will get to be like the people on that Wall-E movie....riding around in wheelchairs staring at a screen and oblivious to everything around them, even each other. It was the Surface Barrier Transistor that made all of these electronics possible, research that and you will find out a great deal about ET technology. Start with Motorola.

Going on your title alone, you've got to be kidding.
the ETs can come bearing gifts, but the hands that receive such will be part of the military-industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about.

Ain't nobody goin' to give us nuthin'.

Absolutely everything coming from an advanced civilization from the mere facts of advanced physics to hardware will be kept secret. Commercially, some things will dribble out once it is figured out that such are not a direct or even implied threat to the government and current big businesses. Yes, some of the high-tech stuff we have today may be from the ETs. The ideal of the basic transistor has been said to come out of Bell Labs working with materials recovered from UFO crashes, etc.

The triangles you find reported time and time again here on ATS and elsewhere can be viewed as our use of alien technology--for top secret military uses. They have been around, documented, for about thirty years, but try to book a United flight to Hong Kong on one of those wonderous devices.

In aviation and space circles such as the aircraft and space forums here on ATS, none of the shills that post there will ever breath a word of such incredible devices. The most note-worthy magazine for air and space in the world will never write a word about UFOs or triangles or a word about R&D regarding mass-canceling or anti-gravity devices. All of that whole area of ET technology falls under national security restrictions for the sake of money-to-be-made if nothing else.

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What makes you think aliens would turn up and give us technology anyway?

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Implying that they have any interest in plundering earth.