US seeks extra $70m for Israel defence shield

reply to post by jacobe001


The U.S and Israel are formal allies, that means that the U.S helps Israel any way it can. If you and your partner (assume you have one if you don't) were married and you had much more money then them, would you not give them a little to spend on themselves?

Originally posted by QQXXw
reply to post by jacobe001

 

The U.S and Israel are formal allies, that means that the U.S helps Israel any way it can. If you and your partner (assume you have one if you don't) were married and you had much more money then them, would you not give them a little to spend on themselves?

Assume for a minute that your partner was a racist bigot and went around punching people and running away, then hiding behind you to protect them. Or, you lost your job and your partner just kept demanding more and more money from you, eating richly while you starve... wouldn't you perhaps divorce them?

Originally posted by arbiture1200
reply to post by Ben81

 

Lets everyone not get their nickers in a twist over this. The United States and Israel have long cooperated in and participated in many defense programs. The interests of the state of Israel are basic, survival. Our interests ( in the US) are the same its just that those of Israel are more "immediate". So to help them defend themselves and help them do so with our money saves us having to re-invent the wheel, in a manner of speaking, so... Get over it.

The U.S. has been giving them 5 BILLION dollars each year for half a century. I'll let You multiply that one out if you dare. Don't try to Justify this vampiric sucking crap! "Basic survival" my ass! There are poorer countries all over this planet that are Really in need of "survival" funds, and just 5 BILLION for ONE YEAR would be a pleasant surprise for them.

All I can say is that this is the kind of stuff which makes me almost believe in a secret order taking over the world and all that anti-Jew hate being at least in a tiny way justified. Heck, it makes me question the Holocaust too, especially when innocent people are Imprisoned For Questioning It. There are a fine bunch of wackos on this site which question everything from God to the shape of the Earth to aliens cloning people--yet we DON'T put them in jail for Questioning. I grew up thinking that Jew hate was the usual combination of the clash of religions (Christians and Muslims mainly) and Nazi/Aryan supremacy love. But when you factor in the flow of money, there's obviously much more to it than this superficial crap.

Israel doesn't need nor deserve this money. And those hundreds of billions of dollars it's leached from the U.S. over the course of half a century it damned well better pay it back! We're sacrificing our COUNTRY for these rich totalitarian bastards, and don't give me any of this freaking justification for it!

Originally posted by QQXXw
reply to post by jacobe001

 

The U.S and Israel are formal allies, that means that the U.S helps Israel any way it can. If you and your partner (assume you have one if you don't) were married and you had much more money then them, would you not give them a little to spend on themselves?

A LITTLE TO SPEND
A LITTLE TO SPEND!

Me and my mate is not the issue here. In any case it's an entirely different relationship and it would not affect the lives of Massive Amounts Of People. A few dollars exchanged between a married couple is No Comparison.

How about if I hack your account and give away a ton of your hard-earned money (assuming you're not one of these Elites who sits on his ass all day and calls that "work") to Strangers overseas who are Rich to begin with?

How about I do that every year for your entire life? And maybe carry on the legacy after you croak by going after your childrens' cash?

And how about if I break your nose and then Apologize? Do you think it will magically heal itself?

Get it through your head, this isn't about frigging CHARITY for a little boy who lives next door.

It's about lining the pockets of filthy-rich bastards sitting on their asses running a Totalitarian Country where Their citizens aren't getting jacksh!t from Their government. A country that's rich to begin with but Never has enough money for itself, oh I wonder why. On top of this, I read a few years ago about various "gifts" they get from our government, as if the raw cash wasn't enough.

I'll stop again so I'm not branded Antisemitic or a Nazi or something equally vulgar by politically-correct brainwashed sheeple just for stating the F-in' FACTS.

I want my F-15`s back, and they better scrape off that blue star still painted on the side.

Eagle`s nest in Israel

How can anyone deny America isn't under the control of the Zionists!?

Originally posted by Malynn

Originally posted by hdutton
All these enemies are just religious fanatics who have never been given a reason for hating Israel. They just want to "wipe them off the map". No body knows why.

Are you kidding? You do realize that the modern state of Israel was founded when the Zionists took their military into Palestine and said "Ok guys, this is our country now GTFO!!!" Right?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think if Canada decided that Wisconsin now belonged to Canada that people would be pretty pissed.

I know it's not polite to point out the obvious.

It would seem a couple of folks here judt don't know S A R C A S M.

I could say all manner of things about mental developments with maturity but I won't. Atleast I know I am a little more than 12 years old.

reply to post by JAY1980

To bad America has never and will never give aid to the palestinians...

Not old enough to remember the PLO, or Palestine Liberation Organization, are you? As I remember, hanging around colleges, Palestinians were very popular in those days. Many Americans were funding their efforts, some with millions of dollars.
But, all things must come to an end, and the PLO did too.
The Campaign to End PLO Funding
For the record, I think the Palestinians should have their own State, after all, theirs was taken from them, and that they should be fully recognized by all Nations, and should be a trading partner with whomever they wish.

Originally posted by milominderbinder

You know...Israel might not be such a dangerous place if they weren't illegally occupying the West Bank in violation of international law.

I believe Israel lay claim to the West Bank after Arab-Israeli Wars which saw Arab territory shrink. Ultimately, the "Arabs" had more land than they do now but did not like losing land at all and waged war on Israel. After the war(s) Israel's hold on nearby geography ex. West Bank increased.

President Bill Clinton put sanctions on China for selling arms to Iran. So China can't buy American weapons, nor export their Norinco firearms to America anymore.

China wanted America's new sound weapon. The LRAD, Long Range Acoustic Device. So President Obama got the State Department to classify the LRAD as a "non-weapon", so it could be exported to China.

China got it and is likely making changes to it and soon Israel will be faced with Sound weapons used against them. They won't be able to stop people from smuggling them in, or making them in shacks in Israel to be used against them.

Israel's getting America to give it free MEGA-BILLIONS for a missile defense shield....when President Obama handed the bad guys the new sound weapons...that Israel can't stop from hurting them.

Americans should be up in arms over the Billions we give away to Israel every year. OUR military is over there with AEGIS, THAAD, Patriot, and other missile defense systems to protect Israel....when our own Capitol doesn't even have that protection. It's silly.

reply to post by CaptainLJB


Israel is the only country on Earth that has lived under a death sentence since its beginning in 1948. It's the only country others (mostly in the Arab world but others as well) have claimed as illegitimate from day one. That story is in itself quite interesting. It was well known in 1948 that America and everyone else did nothing to stop the Jewish slaughter under Hitler. The argument then was the focus should be on just winning the war, and not helping any one "group" of people. By 1944 at the latest, the White House had clear evidence of the holocaust. A few bombers could have screwed up the rail network that was used to bring people to the death camps. They were never a target. Certainly after P-51's got into the act escorting American bombers, the risk to our planes would have been greatly reduced.

After the war, the leaders of a Jewish state to-be approached President Truman, asking for us to petition the newly formed United Nations on behalf of forming the state of Israel. Truman, knowing about how Roosevelt neglected the issue was sympathetic. But it was General Marshal, arguably one of the greatest military commanders of all time, when Truman sought his counsel he found out Marshal was dead set against it. Talk about predicting the future. Marshal argued (and anyone can now read transcripts specific to this point declassified in the 1980's) that the establishment on land that was inhabited by many Arab groups for generations only would invite war. He was dead set against it. He predicted how things would unfold according to my figures close to 99.3% accuracy correctly, but was he right?

The State of Israel was allowed to reconstitute because many claim it's "in the bible". (Oh my Lord, grant me ONE GODDAMN Wish! That whatever nations exist, they leave all the religious bull s*** out of it. ) You want the truth? I'll tell you. The Jews discovered the hard way that with out a nation state to back you up your name became "Victim"

But to get to your point. Considering Israel gets in gets in return, from the United States more money from our foreign aid program then any other nation on Earth, do I like it? Well um. no. Frankly as a guy who has worked with both members of my own and Israel'e national defense people on several occasions, I have seen the consequences of our effort. And I have honestly seen just what Israel can do. Only a nation state so motivated to just survive is one that throws its balls to the walls and is very formidable. Would I cut foreign aid to Israel? Only in a limited way. But compared to to the total Federal budget, it's a drop in the bucket. Unless people like me don't like what they see? The current arrangement will not change.

By the way, if you want a little idea as to what is classified then ask yourself the question. What information would we kill to know? The technology stuff may be secondary, but is very important.

reply to post by arbiture1200


I found your post to be a bit aggressive. With that said, you were a straight-shooter, and have many valid points. Israel exists today largely because following WWII it was time for anti-Semitism to take a back seat for, for lack of a better word, sympathy. With that said, the land "belonged" to many Arab communities and Israel's treatment of those Arabs could, as with most historic situations, have been better orchestrated. However, Israel today stands as a symbol of defeating Nazi Germany. I suspect it will remain in place so long as another "World War" does not break out.

wow. that's a lot of money to waste on something you don't even need.

what's wrong with buying them US$70,000,000 worth of food?

reply to post by MysteriousHusky


Sorry if my post came across as a bit aggressive but I have had my fill of the antiSemitic non-sense that seems to flood the net and to often more then enough on this ATS web site. I have the luxury of living in the most powerful nation the world has ever known. When my nation was formed in 1789, the world responded with who cares? Not with a death sentence, so if I'm a little protective, sue me. But on the other side, do I approve of all Israeli policies in the last 60 years? A simple answer is NO, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND! No, I do not. Perhaps my efforts that go back many years ago will provide a window into my thinking.

Back in the 1980's I was on RWR's national security staff. And as always Israel was very often on the top of the list at many a days meeting. One day, while going down to the cafeteria (this is the stuff very hard to make up) I was approached by a guy I never saw before with a portfolio that was labeled TS/SCI-SCA17. PROJECT JERICO (You had to open the binder to see the project designation) It was perhaps the golden details that specified: What would it take, in military force to destroy the state of Israel. That was the day I first learned about what my people called the "Jericho bomb" That Israel had nuclear weapons. On that same day I read highly classified intercepts thanks to the NSA that indicated that those weapons (by the 1973 war they had roughly 37 simple atomic warheads) did exist, and how they were deployed.

Anyone out there who really wants to know how to keep a secret? Don't even talk to yourself. Or your screwed. Trust me, I know from experience. During the 1973 Yom Kipper war, we just happened to have an SR-71 flying over that region. As our SR-71's prone to do, it took many pictures. These pictures were brought to light a decade later in that briefing folder that kid just gave me. What I saw in those pictures and have never talked about before (relax, I did check and its OK) was an A4 Sky Hawk on the tarmac of an Israeli base armed with a 60k t atomic bomb under the right wing.

I also was told that there was an "unwritten guarantee" from President Nixon at the time that if Israel had no choice but to use there nuclear weapons to save their nation, the United States would cover up the act up by claiming one of our aircraft armed with nuclear weapons had accidentally crashed. Though anyone who knows how American nuclear weapons are carried on our aircraft would quickly see this explanation as bogus, would you buy it? According to every study I read it would work. I also know that Israel would use every possible resource to save its life. And who wouldn't?

The one reason I don't sweat the fact that Israel has had nuclear weapons for decades is they could have used them, even in their darkest hour they never did. So I don't know if that offers any insight, but if not oh well.

reply to post by arbiture1200


Thanks for your prompt reply. Firstly, I believe your post unless otherwise discredited. It makes sense that if a nuclear weapon went off in the region, during the backdrop you set, that the US would "take the blame" for numerous reasons

a) preserve Israel's reputation
b) preserve Israel's safety
c) strip intent via the explanation that it was an accident.

On the other hand I would like to clarify that you have nothing to apologize for. While you were a straight-shooter in your earlier post in what I interpreted as being aggressive I did point out you have many valid points. Your experience in the Intelligence realm is a valuable contribution to the forum.

reply to post by MysteriousHusky


Thanks for you kind reply, at my age I'll take all the good news I can get! My greatest challenge when in the intelligence field was to just try to keep people from killing each other. And along with everything I was doing that itself was a full time job. Its a lot less the path I chose, more that I was drafted. Seriously.

Originally posted by Expat888
no surprise ... amarica cant take care of its own .. yet gives the genocidal psychopaths israel billions ... may as well make israel the 51st state while their at it ..

^^^^^^^ That sums it all up right there.^^^^^^^^ Israel is nothing more than a non-incorporated territory of the US strategically in existence by TPTB.

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Originally posted by MysteriousHusky
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this video (song? idea? tool? atom?) was posted at the beginning of time, and it's still here.

consider it THE primary resource.



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"take the red pill and free your mind" -morpheus

The Hollywood entertainment industry should donate one crappy movie a year to Israel as a tiding. This would cover the bill. They are all Jewish anyway. Really, I am not being racist. They just are tight with money, now I am being racist.