Exclusive - Obama's Literary Agent in 1991 Booklet: 'Born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Haw

I personally think, his Grand Mother blurting out he was born in Kenya, dovetails in nicely with this new bit of Obama history. This is one history he won't be so easily rewriting...

It's not like it is from a single piece of paper/flyer. It's part of a large listing of people on contract with the publicist at the time. I'm sure there are multiple copies, in many hands. BTW, the info a publicist uses, is provided by the person they represent. At that time, Obama wasn't anyone famous, why would anyone alter any information in his section of the booklet. Makes no sense.

Des

Originally posted by xEphon

Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen

Originally posted by xEphon
So, we have a newspaper on the day of his birth saying he was born in Hawaii.
And a booklet many years later saying he was from Kenya.

What to believe...what to believe...

edit on 17-5-2012 by xEphon because: (no reason given)

Close, but not quite. There is a subtle, but important difference.
We have a newspaper several days after his birth saying he was born to parents that resided in Hawaii.
Fixed that for you.

So, you're implying that Obama was born in Kenya, his parents found residency in Hawaii, and flew their less than a week old son from Kenya to Hawaii, then had the local paper report on it?

Sorry if I fail to see the subtle difference.

edit on 17-5-2012 by xEphon because: (no reason given)

No. What I am saying is that you claimed two things. 1) that the newspaper was published on the day he was born. and 2) that it stated that Barack was born in Hawaii.

Both of these statements are false. The publication date was some days after his birth. This can be shown by other birth announcements on the same page listing Aug. 7 as the birth date. The announcement claims no place of birth, only the address of parents.

As a third point, it does not even name the child, it just lists him as "son".

You can certainly have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts.

So either its true and Obama is a liar or its false and Obama is a liar ...

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Right on.....what to believe...

“What is interesting to note is that Obama’s grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, was a volunteer at the Oahu Circuit Court probate department and had access to the Social Security numbers of deceased people.

Source

Originally posted by xEphon
So, you're implying that Obama was born in Kenya, his parents found residency in Hawaii, decided to flew their less than a week old son from Kenya to Hawaii, and then contacted the local paper to report on it?

Sorry if I fail to see the subtle difference.

edit on 17-5-2012 by xEphon because: (no reason given)

I believe that many are implying that ANYONE could have submitted the birth announcement to the newspaper, regardless of where Obama was born. his grandparents could have called it in. It's not like the newspaper had gumshoe reporters hanging out in the delivery wiating room to scoop the next kid born!

For the love of all that is Holy - use your heads! I see birth and marriage announcements in my hometown paper all of the time - for people who USED to live there or have relatives in town but they live elsewhere.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
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So, I take it you are just blowing off this new bit of evidence as fabricated rantings of a birther....

I'm waiting for this story to develop before calling you an idiot.

Des

Originally posted by relocator
reply to post by xEphon

 

Right on.....what to believe..

Yes, it is whatever we want to believe. You are more thank welcome to believe the articles coming out of rightwing fringe websites like western journalism and WND, and other people will believe things according to solid evidence.

Right on.

Originally posted by MegaMind
So either its true and Obama is a liar or its false and Obama is a liar ...

LOL exactly,

Oh what a tangled web we weave
More of Obama's composite life.

He just makes up things as he goes along.

Mr. Obama arrived in New York in August 1981, at age 20, from Occidental College in Los Angeles. According to his memoir, he passed his first night in an alley near 109th Street and Amsterdam Avenue, unable to get into his apartment. The next morning, he bathed at a hydrant alongside a homeless man.

The next morning, he bathed at a hydrant alongside a homeless man.


hahahahah sure he did,

I wasn't fully a birther before this. More of an on-the-fence skeptic.

I guess I'm a birther now. This is the piece of evidence that tipped me over the edge.

Seems pretty hard to just shovel this one under the rug.

It's common practice to keep dirt on people so they'll do what you want. "Do what we say or we'll make fact XYZ public." We can only speculate how this ugly little secret has been used by somebody (who?) to manipulate the president.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Please put us out of our misery over this birther issue by giving us the proof of solid evidence....Please post your supporting documentation by all means.

Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen

Originally posted by xEphon

Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen

Originally posted by xEphon
So, we have a newspaper on the day of his birth saying he was born in Hawaii.
And a booklet many years later saying he was from Kenya.

What to believe...what to believe...

edit on 17-5-2012 by xEphon because: (no reason given)

Close, but not quite. There is a subtle, but important difference.
We have a newspaper several days after his birth saying he was born to parents that resided in Hawaii.
Fixed that for you.

So, you're implying that Obama was born in Kenya, his parents found residency in Hawaii, and flew their less than a week old son from Kenya to Hawaii, then had the local paper report on it?

Sorry if I fail to see the subtle difference.

edit on 17-5-2012 by xEphon because: (no reason given)

No. What I am saying is that you claimed two things. 1) that the newspaper was published on the day he was born. and 2) that it stated that Barack was born in Hawaii.

Both of these statements are false. The publication date was some days after his birth. This can be shown by other birth announcements on the same page listing Aug. 7 as the birth date. The announcement claims no place of birth, only the address of parents.

As a third point, it does not even name the child, it just lists him as "son".

You can certainly have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts.

I don't see how that changes anything...

For the paper to report it, it must mean that Obama was flown from Kenya to Hawaii when he was less than a week old...

Unless you're saying
A.) The Obama listed in the newspaper is some other Obama which happened to be born at almost the exact date as our President Obama.
B.) He was born in Kenya and someone called the newspaper to report that a baby was born in Hawaii to parents who didn't actually reside there.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
People...people..never argue with a birther...your intelligence level will lower immensely..

Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience...

Rather than running out tired cliches, ones that were created in reference to LIBERALS by the way, care to add value to the debate by addressing the evidence?

Either he lied to the publisher to sell more books or he lied to the American people to become President. In either event it a terrible narrative of the character of the man.

reply to post by anon72


Not sure about the authenticity of this but I have no reason to believe that there were some folks out there who had mistakenly written that Obama was born in Kenya. We've found what? this article and another one saying he was Kenyan born, from authors that evidently have minimal oversight to verify biography details. Then we have plenty of other articles clearly stating that he was born in Hawaii.

If this is all birthers have got, then it's going to be another long 4 years for them.

Originally posted by relocator
reply to post by Southern Guardian

 

Please put us out of our misery over this birther issue

Why don't you put yourselves out of misery since you continiously bring this up? Birth certificates have been released, Hawaiian officials have verified. If you refuse to believe any of that then clearly you are not interested in fact finding.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Thank you for your suggestion but I'm working on denying ignorance....

I lied I'm not really miserable.

Originally posted by xEphon

Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen

Originally posted by xEphon

Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen

Originally posted by xEphon
So, we have a newspaper on the day of his birth saying he was born in Hawaii.
And a booklet many years later saying he was from Kenya.

What to believe...what to believe...

edit on 17-5-2012 by xEphon because: (no reason given)

Close, but not quite. There is a subtle, but important difference.
We have a newspaper several days after his birth saying he was born to parents that resided in Hawaii.
Fixed that for you.

So, you're implying that Obama was born in Kenya, his parents found residency in Hawaii, and flew their less than a week old son from Kenya to Hawaii, then had the local paper report on it?

Sorry if I fail to see the subtle difference.

edit on 17-5-2012 by xEphon because: (no reason given)

No. What I am saying is that you claimed two things. 1) that the newspaper was published on the day he was born. and 2) that it stated that Barack was born in Hawaii.

Both of these statements are false. The publication date was some days after his birth. This can be shown by other birth announcements on the same page listing Aug. 7 as the birth date. The announcement claims no place of birth, only the address of parents.

As a third point, it does not even name the child, it just lists him as "son".

You can certainly have your own opinion, but you can't have your own facts.

I don't see how that changes anything...

For the paper to report it, it must mean that Obama was flown from Kenya to Hawaii when he was less than a week old...

Unless you're saying
A.) The Obama listed in the newspaper is some other Obama which happened to be born at almost the exact date as our President Obama.
B.) He was born in Kenya and someone called the newspaper to report that a baby was born in Hawaii to parents who didn't actually reside there.

edit on 17-5-2012 by xEphon because: (no reason given)

I thought I stated it very clearly. What you said about the birth announcement is simply not true. I am not implying or saying anything else.

edit: Just some advice. You don't have the facts on your side. You should probably start calling me names now and attack my character.

reply to post by Southern Guardian

you refuse to believe

and Vice versa

reply to post by xEphon

B.) He was born in Kenya and someone called the newspaper to report that a baby was born in Hawaii to parents who didn't actually reside there.

You're getting there, but I'll give it a yes and a no. Dunham and Obama Sr. had both been attending the University of Hawaii at Manao or some such, and in '60/'61, Dunham applied for (and likely received a passport).

One idea seems to be that she took some time off school to fly to Kenya for the purpose of having the baby there and leaving him with the father's family, and then changed her mind and flew back after the birth. Regardless of what the reasoning might have been, though, they were both already previously established in Hawaii and yes, very well could have contacted family still there (or otherwise called themselves to arrange announcement) when she decided to return.

Originally posted by xEphon
For the paper to report it, it must mean that Obama was flown from Kenya to Hawaii when he was less than a week old...

Unless you're saying
A.) The Obama listed in the newspaper is some other Obama which happened to be born at almost the exact date as our President Obama.
B.) He was born in Kenya and someone called the newspaper to report that a baby was born in Hawaii to parents who didn't actually reside there.

edit on 17-5-2012 by xEphon because: (no reason given)

I'm sorry you're dim and in need of help. Allow me... You have just committed what is known as a non-sequitur. It's a big word, so I'll try to explain it for you. It means that you have tried to logically correlate two points that have no bearing on one another. Here's why... The paper does NOT require that the child be present to post a birth announcement. Can you grasp that one simple fact!? See, this thing called a TELEPHONE existed all the back in the 1960's and newspapers had something called a NEWSDESK. People could use the telephone thing to call into the newsdesk thing and report news. They didn't even have to have proof when reporting things to the newsdesk.

If the story was juicy, reporters were dispatched to scoop the story. If it was an announcement, the call was sent to some lady in that department to take notes on what the caller was saying. Then they would post it in the "ANNOUNCMENTS" section of the paper. No one had to verify anything, it wasn't a news story. It was an announcement and it was provided by the newspaper as a service to the community.

Ergo, one could logically conclude that ANYONE could have called the paper, from ANYWHERE, and placed the announcement. What makes the announcement suspect is the fact that the Obama's, nor the grandparents, ever lived at the address listed.

Is this making sense here or am I talking to a tree?