Flight 93 was headed for Building 7

The shills can derail all they want, a theory is a theory- and the thread is to discuss that theory.

1- WHY DID THE HIJACKER'S WAIT 45 MINUTES AND UNTIL THE PLANE WAS IN OHIO BEFORE TAKING IT OVER WHEN THEY WERE SUPPOSEDLY HEADED FOR WASHINGTON DC WHICH IS JUST SOUTH OF NEW JERSEY?

2- WHY WOULD THEY WAIT UNTIL AFTER BOTH TOWERS HAD BEEN HIT BEFORE THEY MADE THEIR MOVE? IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

3- IS IT A COINCIDENCE THAT THE PLANE, ON HEADING EAST, WAS ON A 5-6 MINUTE RUN HEADING TO NEW YORK JUST BEFORE IT CRASHED?

4- THE ONLY EXPLANATION FOR THEM WAITING SO LONG WAS BECAUSE THEY HAD PLANNED TO DELAY THEIR FLIGHT INTO WTC7 AND HAD TO WAIT FOR BOTH WTC1 AND WTC2 TO COLLAPSE TO MAKE WAY FOR THE FINAL STRIKE. THERE SIMPLY IS NOT ANOTHER REASON TO JUSTIFY THE DELAY, AND IF THERE IS, PRESENT THAT IN RESPONSE!

Address these questions with the timeline of 9/11 in mind, the average response of a fighter jet to a hijacked plan was 7 minutes- yet they waited till AFTER both towers had been hit before attempting to head to Washington DC? It does not make sense.

You can ridicule this thread all you like but this theory makes a lot more sense than the official story/fairlytale.

reply to post by Wonderer2012

That makes sense so explains the hijackers delay- they waited over 45 mins to take over the plane- it was designed to give the towers time to collapse to make way for the final strike on WTC7.

So you admit that there were hijackers that took over a plane. Good to know.

How would they know when the buildings would be down?

Since their plane took off 30 minutes late are you saying that the origional plan was to wait 30 + 45 mintues before taking over the plane? That would mean they would have to fly a hijacked plane 1.5 hours or more thinking that the military would be looking to shoot them down? Does that really make any sense to you?

Wouldn't it make more sense to take over right after take off? That was they would only be 15 minutes late.

That's the problem with these conspiracy theories. They make less sense than the OS.

reply to post by Wonderer2012


You are assuming a lot of things. We don't know, and never will know, why the hi-jack happened 46 minutes into the flight. They were a man short on that flight and perhaps had to be more careful with their timing. I suspect they waited for flight attendants to offer the flight crew refreshments and burst in then.

If you think it was a deliberate delay this doesn't make sense because UA 93 took off 42 minutes late. So, to keep to schedule, they should have taken over the plane 3 minutes in.

You are also assuming the hi-jackers knew exactly when the Towers would fall. I haven't seen any evidence that anyone in the world knew that.

You haven't addressed why the plane was on a steady south east heading, to Washington, until the last minutes when we do know from the cockpit voice recorder that the passengers were attempting to take back the plane. Nor why the hi-jackers had dialled up the VOR for Reagan National Airport.

And why on earth should a plan of such complexity, depending on the Towers falling at precise times, be devised to take out a building most had never heard of ?

reply to post by Bleeeeep


I have always chuckled at the "no plane theory".

I have to admit, however, that the video you present has some very convincing facts in it, especially the blaked out frames and "Pinocchios Nose".

When thinking about it in a rational manner though, a single question pops into my mind:

Why go through all the trouble and risks involved with live compositing, when you can just remote-control real airplanes into the buildings. So that alone makes me say that I'm not buying the video compositing theory.

Originally posted by GrinchNoMore
reply to post by Human_Alien

 

The Official Story parroters are totally like the mainstream Christians, they actually CANNOT see an outcome beyond the scriptures , at least the WAY they have been told to read them.

They are so far gone it reminds us of the fact they will not be repaired, but are part of the delusion here...they want to drag the rest of us IN too.

It sure is funny to watch the attempts they make to convince us of a much simpler world, one where we KNOW who the "bad guys" are.

And they actually can see building 7 falling down perfectly with flashes all around, because of gas lines...they do NOT want to admit this plane could have been heading for 7, cause in the Hollywood mind they have, it makes no sense, EVEN THOUGH 2 planes just went that way, not long before...

Well ya know my friend?....some people are simply born passive and complacent. It's really not their fault. They are just hard-wired to be 'followers'. Whether 'following' the news, official reports, text books, rules, religion etc. That's just how they are: obedient to authority and dependent upon others. They simply are not free-thinkers.

I honestly feel sorry for them. They have an impediment. And if I were in charge, I'd allow them all to park in the handicap parking spots!

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by Wonderer2012

 

That makes sense so explains the hijackers delay- they waited over 45 mins to take over the plane- it was designed to give the towers time to collapse to make way for the final strike on WTC7.

So you admit that there were hijackers that took over a plane. Good to know.

How would they know when the buildings would be down?

Since their plane took off 30 minutes late are you saying that the origional plan was to wait 30 + 45 mintues before taking over the plane? That would mean they would have to fly a hijacked plane 1.5 hours or more thinking that the military would be looking to shoot them down? Does that really make any sense to you?

Wouldn't it make more sense to take over right after take off? That was they would only be 15 minutes late.

That's the problem with these conspiracy theories. They make less sense than the OS.

You've just said 'wouldn't it make sense to take over the flight right after take off?'

THAT IS EXACTLY what I'm saying, they waited, even though the take off was supposedly delayed 30 minutes.

If they were real hijackers heading to Washington DC from New Jsersey, why would they wait 45 minutes to hijack the plane after it had flew over Ohio?

Your argument right here is supporting what the whole thread is about- why would hijackers wait and let the plane travel so from off course when as you say, 'the military would be looking to shoot them down'- especially given both towers had already been hit.

The official account means we have to believe they waited so long, and it doesn't add up, unless they had a reason to wait- such as waiting for both WTC1 and WTC2 to collapse to make way for a flight path into WTC7?

Even if you don't believe it, given the delay and flight 93 reaching Ohio, given the lack of reason for delaying so long and going so far off course (whe Washington DC was just south of New Jersey), then the 'conspiracy theory' isn't as absurd as you are making out, WTC7 did collapse into it's own footprint after all!

There has been so much new information over the past decade as far as 9/11 is concerned, its so hard to decipher what really happened anymore, and if anyone besides TPTB knows what really happened.

Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by Wonderer2012

 

You are assuming a lot of things. We don't know, and never will know, why the hi-jack happened 46 minutes into the flight. They were a man short on that flight and perhaps had to be more careful with their timing. I suspect they waited for flight attendants to offer the flight crew refreshments and burst in then.

If you think it was a deliberate delay this doesn't make sense because UA 93 took off 42 minutes late. So, to keep to schedule, they should have taken over the plane 3 minutes in.

You are also assuming the hi-jackers knew exactly when the Towers would fall. I haven't seen any evidence that anyone in the world knew that.

You haven't addressed why the plane was on a steady south east heading, to Washington, until the last minutes when we do know from the cockpit voice recorder that the passengers were attempting to take back the plane. Nor why the hi-jackers had dialled up the VOR for Reagan National Airport.

And why on earth should a plan of such complexity, depending on the Towers falling at precise times, be devised to take out a building most had never heard of ?

- You're also assuming I mean 'hijackers' literally as in the 19 hijackers of the official story.

- By hijackers, we don't even know the planes were hijacked. They may well have been, they could also have been controlled remotely- the technology to hijack a plane remotely has been around for years.

- I don't for one second think the 19 hijackers listed carried out these hijackings, the Pentagon hit is impossible for an amateur pilot. Alfie, do you think an amateur pilot unable to control a small plane could navigate a plane the size of a Boeing into the Pentagon with the flight path it took?

- Regarding the direction of the plane, it was heading east, and actually adjusted course slightly and headed directly to New York for 5-6 minutes before 'crashing'. The flight path illustrations show this.

- So I guess it was just another coincidence of events they waited just long enough into the flight that meant a flight back to WTC7 would happen approx twenty minutes after both towers had collapsed and left a flight path into WTC7? Coincidence right?

www.popularmechanics.com...

There would have been plenty of clearance from the south-southwest for a plane.



The 4th explosion reported at 10:45 by multiple sources and witnesses, right around the time UA93 would've reached Manhattan.



Here's another idea, also proposed by the video above - Car Bomb. I'm assuming you've all seen the damage to the southwest corner at the base of wtc7 (yeah,yeah, the debris from the N tower... which is assumed to have gouged into the lower ~15 floors... after barely scraping the upper 30?). There were also multiple vans and trucks full of explosives around NYC that day... all tied to the Israelis.



Hey, look at the bird on that truck's mural flying in front of the twin towers... or directly into the towers... with... smoke coming out of it's head?... wait, that's not a bird...

reply to post by jlm912


10:45am explosion, and going from the timelines of flight 93, it it was heading for New York, that is pretty much the time it would have arrived, 20 mins approx after the Nortth Towere collapsed at 10:28am.

The official story supporters will just put it down to yet another coincidence however rest assured of that.

Originally posted by Alfie1

And why on earth should a plan of such complexity, depending on the Towers falling at precise times, be devised to take out a building most had never heard of ?

Do you know what was going down in WTC 7? Something of a serious magnitude if this story was released 8 years after the attack:

Report: CIA Lost Office In WTC

A secret office operated by the CIA was destroyed in the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, seriously disrupting intelligence operations.

The undercover station was in 7 World Trade Center, a smaller office tower that fell several hours after the collapse of the twin towers on Sept. 11, a U.S. government official said.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that immediately after the attack, a special CIA team scoured the rubble in search of secret documents and intelligence reports stored in the station, either on paper or in computers. It was not known whether the efforts were successful.

A CIA spokesman declined to comment on the existence of the office, which was first reported in Sunday's editions of The New York Times.

The New York station was behind the false front of another federal organization, which the Times did not identify. The station was a base of operations to spy on and recruit foreign diplomats stationed at the United Nations, while debriefing selected American business executives and others willing to talk to the CIA after returning from overseas.

The agency's officers in New York often work undercover, posing as diplomats and business executives, among other things. They have been deeply involved in counter-terrorism efforts in the New York area, working jointly with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and other agencies.

The CIA's main New York office was unaffected by the attacks, but agents have been sharing space at the U.S. Mission to the United Nations, and have borrowed other federal government offices in the city.

The agency is prohibited from conducting domestic espionage operations against Americans, but it maintains stations in a number of major United States cities, where CIA case officers try to meet and recruit students and other foreigners to return to their countries and spy for the United States.

The New York station was believed to have been the largest and most important CIA domestic station outside the Washington area.

reply to post by jlm912


And I wonder what that message was about the "remote controlled planes" that they were talking about over the police radio?

Police had the Israelis in custody at that point... did they spill something to the police?

reply to post by Wonderer2012


Yeah, evidence that coincides with alternate theories is just "coincidence"

Originally posted by jlm912
reply to post by Wonderer2012

 

Yeah, evidence that coincides with alternate theories is just "coincidence"

edit on 17-5-2012 by jlm912 because: (no reason given)

Well the coincidences of 9/11 are outstanding, but explosions going off just before 11am- just so coincidentally would have been the time flight 93 arrived if it hadn't been shot down and was heading to New York.

Pure coincidence I suppose

reply to post by RockLobster


WTC towers = 208 ft per side, 4 sides, 1362 ft (South) 1368 ft (North)

Pentagon = 920 ft per side (5 sides), 5 stories

WTC 7 = 330 ft long , 140 ft wide trapezoid , 610 ft

Estimated speeds 470 mph North Tower, 530 mph South Tower, 530 mph Pentagon

Pentagon is in open field near Potomac River with no sustansial obstructions in way

Problem with WTC 7 is that is ringed by numerous buildings of over 40 50 stories (WTC 7 was 47 story)

South approach has WTC towers in way, west the World Financial Centers (3 buildings), East - ! Liberty Plaza
54 floors , 743 ft and Millenium Hilton, 55 story

About only approach is from North but after 903am when South Tower hit would be heavy smoke clouds
obscuring vision

Here are some pictures of the area showing just how tight it was

WTC site - 2 1/2 weeks after





WTC 7 (red building behind WTC)

Building 7 seems like a very strange, random and unrealistic target in my opinion, it wouldn't make any sense why they would pick that building out of all the other high priority targets to choose from. If this conspiracy is right then the powers that be would of had a very hard time convincing people that building 7 was a target.

Personally I don't believe in any of the 9/11 conspiracies, Flight 93 was headed back to Washington D.C, probably towards the capital building.

reply to post by RockLobster

Listen , there is pilots who say they couldnt make the manouvers that those planes did that day

I agree. Pilots know best the capabilities of their aircraft. During WWII Kamikaze planes flew into moving ships piloted by boys, some with just a few hours of flight time. They trained for these attacks in twin seated trainers and weren't taught to land either. The instructor landed for them at the end of their "lesson". Sound familiar?

Todays experienced pilots are taught not to exceed their aircraft performance capabilities by wide margins of safety. Of course they never saw maneuvers like that before.

Of course the high jackers also new that they were going to either crash... or crash, with death as a result. Gives one a screw it death wish attitude don't you think? They pushed their planes to the limits they did because they were amateurs and knew no better. Real pilots shudder. Their training runs entirely contrary to what happened.

I'm sure they are appalled and in disbelief. Intentionally diving at a target is well... suicidal.

reply to post by JediMindTrek

There has been so much new information over the past decade as far as 9/11 is concerned

No there hasn't.
Just new 'claims' from people on the web.

Originally posted by thedman
South approach has WTC towers in way

10:45 neither towers were there.

Originally posted by thedman
About only approach is from North but after 903am when South Tower hit would be heavy smoke clouds
obscuring vision

So the path from the south was opened, but that does leave the issue of smoke. My guess? It would've hit wtc7 with that excuse exactly.

"Why did they hit 7??"
"They were probably headed for (insert some other high-profile building here), but they couldn't see because of all the smoke."

reply to post by jlm912

10:45 neither towers were there.

South approach

130 Liberty St - Deutsche Bank, across from South Tower 40 floors, 565 ft



Also after collapse of towers were massive dust clouds and fires with heavy smoke

Series of pictures showing dust and smoke

www.911review.com...

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