need some more help identifying what i believe is an old icon

hello again.'
it went so well with my last request for help so i figured il post this one also.
This is from the same home as the head in my previous post.

allright, this is what i believe, it is an icon made of wood, it depicts mary with the jesus child. on the other half it depicts saint george the dragonslayer.
and the three bystanders, perhaps they are the three wise men.

i might be wrong but what is interesting to me is wher foldable icons like this come from.
i bought this one and one that is almost identical to this one, only it is smaller, about half the size.
this one is a little bit bigger than a postcard when folded.
and the reason i believe its old is that it smells just like it does in really really old wooden churches with lots of wallpaintings.
so if anyone knows what this is i will be very happy.

and if the mods dont like this thread, then im sorry and youre welcome to remove.

/jimmy

Try the Antiques Roadshow .
This is not an antiques forum.
If you are only interested in monetary gains then I have no time for you .
If however you are willing to donate your finds to relevant collections, then good luck to you

I'm a little challenged for time this week on helping but I can suggest one thing that might help. If you don't already own Chrome, get it as a secondary browser just for this purpose. You want to download an extension for it called "Search By Image (By Google)".

What this allows you to do is right click any image on the net and search by visual properties (what you can see...what the computer interprets at the image) across Googles vast image database. In this case, it didn't do much for me, but your image needs to be pretty heavily cropped and isolated to each piece and perhaps tighter than that to get a solid search result. It literally searched by the visual patterns, among other things, and returns pattern matching..basically. (Trying to keep the hows real basic).

What this ought to do in the end is tell you if there is another instance of a similar item anywhere on the net that Google has indexed. I've been pleasantly surprised to find that with a little image work for what I'm offering google to scan, it usually performs and delivers. Normally, no additional work is needed..but again, yours are picking up so much more than the artwork in the image.

Hope that helps!



Sorry.. a clarification here. By uploading to ATS, it's on the net well enough for Google. Failing that though, this won't scan a local image from your computer to search until uploading it into Google (Google image search has that feature right there in the search engine), assuming it's like this and a unique image you're generating.

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Hi there. 
Now then, tell me why such a harsh tone.
Ive been here on ats a few years now,  and ive seen numerous posts where people are trying to get help identifying things. 
And i know that there are lots of experts here that are kind and helpful when it comes to such requests, 
Agreed that this aint a billion years old, but given the above i dont se no harm in trying. 
As for my interest in gains or no gains. 
Im only buying stuff on fleamarkets that appeals to me, that i like and want to se more of, not only at the market. 
So in that aspect money is of very little importance to me. What is of more importance to me is the history that lies in the object. 
History in general is very intriguing and important to me. 
Have a good one
/Jimmy 

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Hi.
And thanks for the tip.
Will definitly try it out when i get to a computer. (on phone now)
/Jimmy

Looks like it's Ethiopian.




Ethiopian icons



The style of Christ's robe...


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It's a nice find. And just look at the woman's eyes, she's flying on something other than corn. The back of the object is very interesting, shows what something made of wood looks like after many years. What you have is a work of art from a long-ago artist (or a not-so-long-ago street hustler, naw, this one seems actually very old) who had a religious bent and was familiar with the effects of various foods on the dilation of the eye.

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The Queen of Sheba rode a horse from Ethiopia to visit king Solomon.



could it be her on the horse?

love and harmony
Whateva

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Supposed to be Saint George, but does look very feminine though.

reply to post by Kantzveldt


Well il be damned. If it aint my new best friend to the rescue once again.
How do you do that haha.
There is no denying in that it is ethiopian.
Thank you my friend.
Dont supose you can help me with another one. I also got two procession crosses without the staff, one in brass and the other one is in iron. The one in iron is hand Forged without a doubt, the one in brass i would guess is casted.
They are t-shaped with the horizontal beams edges rounded.
All i can find out about t-shaped crosses is the egyptian tau-cross but that cross has edges kind of like on the iron-cross(the german medal).
Thanks again
/Jimmy

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Haha
Hi. Yes they sure are pretty aint they.
Your comment makes me wonder how dialated your eyes are my friend.
/Jimmy

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Actually the shaba Queen on the horse is quite intrueging.
I know its suposed to be george but, is it possible that from the beginning it was the queen and somehow it was covered up and the meaning changed. So no one would be called heretic.
The whole christian history is full of stuff like that, take easter for example, the eggs and the bunny are "pagan spring rituals" that has been incorporated in to christianity.
/Jimmy

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No problem, i'm an art historian so that one was pretty easy, the crosses sound like they'd be harder though. First consideration would be Saint Anthony who was an Egyptian Saint with the Tau cross as symbol.

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It could ofcourse be tau-crosses with a slight different twist, but if one looks at the multitude of different crosses some of them have only a very slight difference but completley different names. Il take a picture of them in the morning.
Its almost midnight here.
/Jimmy

not sure, but mum and guests look a little worried:
the kid looks black

reply to post by Kantzveldt


Hello best friend.
One pic of crosses comming up


Like ive said, i can only find one cross that bares resenblence.
The tau, but it seems to me that they are to different to be the same.

/Jimmy

Yes i don't think those are any type of processional cross, maybe the tops of flag poles or banners.

reply to post by Kantzveldt


Allright. Thanks for the new angle.
Never even thought that ordinary banners could have a tip.
/Jimmy

Originally posted by Kantzveldt
Yes i don't think those are any type of processional cross, maybe the tops of flag poles or banners.

Yes.
These are less elaborate than most crosses, but could be Ethiopian as well.

Here you go...


Dabtaras


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They sometimes have little flags attached...



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The Timkat Festival corresponds with Epiphany for the Orthodox Church, and the Ark of the Covenant is paraded.


In the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, liturgical music employs the senasel, a sistrum. Additionally, the clergy will use prayer staffs, or maqwamiya, to maintain rhythm